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Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 3, 2003, at 11:14:07
Lactobacillus acidophilus is a naturally occuring thing that fights the evil candida which causes so many health problems. Antibiotics are found in meat, eggs, and apparently everything, and that kills it off, allowing the evil candida to rampage our bodies. Giving up sugar and starch will help stop candida from spreading any farther and hopefully starve it off entirely. But, I'm impatient, so I thought I'd buy some Lactobacillus Acidophilus for an all out war against the candida menance.
Do differant brands of this stuff matter?
What is the maximum amount I can safely take at a time?
Seems to me if it does no harm, might as well swallow the hole bottle of it at once.Those who have defeated the insufferable menance that is candida, I beseech thee, tell me the brand name and dosage level you used.
Posted by JLx on October 4, 2003, at 6:57:59
In reply to Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida!, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 3, 2003, at 11:14:07
According to stuff I've read, I always make sure that I get the refrigerated kind that also has "bifido" not just "lacto" in it, at least 4 billion per day (some say take at least 8 billion, so I take two).
If this is the first time using it and you have lots of yeasties, beware of the possibility of yeast die-off making you feel like crap -- aching joints and other "flu-like" symptoms. This happened to me and I always quit taking it not knowing what was going on. But it only lasts a few days.
Caprylic acid is something else recommended for yeast. Also, if you take magnesium supplements, don't take them with the probiotics (mg is naturally "ANTIbiotic" and therefore the opposite, is my understanding).
> Lactobacillus acidophilus is a naturally occuring thing that fights the evil candida which causes so many health problems. Antibiotics are found in meat, eggs, and apparently everything, and that kills it off, allowing the evil candida to rampage our bodies. Giving up sugar and starch will help stop candida from spreading any farther and hopefully starve it off entirely. But, I'm impatient, so I thought I'd buy some Lactobacillus Acidophilus for an all out war against the candida menance.
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> Do differant brands of this stuff matter?
> What is the maximum amount I can safely take at a time?
> Seems to me if it does no harm, might as well swallow the hole bottle of it at once.
>
> Those who have defeated the insufferable menance that is candida, I beseech thee, tell me the brand name and dosage level you used.
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 4, 2003, at 10:08:25
In reply to Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida!, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 3, 2003, at 11:14:07
> Lactobacillus acidophilus is a naturally occuring thing that fights the evil candida which causes so many health problems. Antibiotics are found in meat, eggs, and apparently everything, and that kills it off, allowing the evil candida to rampage our bodies. Giving up sugar and starch will help stop candida from spreading any farther and hopefully starve it off entirely. But, I'm impatient, so I thought I'd buy some Lactobacillus Acidophilus for an all out war against the candida menance.
It's not quite as simple as you present, but you could have an imbalance of the fauna in your gut. Just for the record, it has been estimated that about 80% of the mass of your feces are dead bacteria/fungi/yeast. You have a lively symbiosis "down there", and it can have population explosions of less favourable critters.
> Do differant brands of this stuff matter?
Yes, but so does the way it's been handled. For a product like that, buy it from a store with a high turnover, and make sure it's been kept refrigerated. Ask.
Get one with a variety of species, not just L. acidophilus.
The bacteria are dormant, but they're still vulnerable to mistreatment (e.g. high temperatures).
> What is the maximum amount I can safely take at a time?
Take as directed.
> Seems to me if it does no harm, might as well swallow the hole bottle of it at once.
That is a logical fallacy. Drink a week's worth of water all at once, and you'll die.
> Those who have defeated the insufferable menance that is candida, I beseech thee, tell me the brand name and dosage level you used.
There are supplements for candidiasis. Gotta run. I'll come back to that.
Lar
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 7, 2003, at 13:31:08
In reply to Re: Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida! » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on October 4, 2003, at 6:57:59
JLx, I thought it was suppose to feed off the candida, and thus prevent the die off problem.
I'm thinking about going to the nearest GNC and seeing what they have in their refrigerated area.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 9, 2003, at 15:47:32
In reply to Re: Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida! » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 7, 2003, at 13:31:08
I've decided to order lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobacillus over the internet.
I need to know a good site to shop at. I see a lot listed, but a few things bother me.
How long can it be out of refrigeration before it losses its power? I don't want some idiot business that lets them set around in the sun while shipping, because you know many are probably so incompentant that they do.
Posted by JLx on October 9, 2003, at 16:40:23
In reply to Re: Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida! » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 7, 2003, at 13:31:08
I'm not sure of the mechanism, I only know it's been my experience every time I started taking probiotics that I felt worse for a few days. This is why I always had some in my frig, because I'd quit taking it. When I read about the die-off, I thought, "Ah ha!" that must be it, but perhaps not. I guess you'll find out. :)
> JLx, I thought it was suppose to feed off the candida, and thus prevent the die off problem.
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> I'm thinking about going to the nearest GNC and seeing what they have in their refrigerated area.
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Posted by JLx on October 9, 2003, at 16:58:01
In reply to Re: Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida!, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 9, 2003, at 15:47:32
I know what you mean. Even if something is refrigerated in the store, what about how it was shipped? The last time I bought some, it was this product under the store's brand: http://www.herbalfields.com/probio.html
They're enteric coated and it says on the bottle that they don't need refrigeration, but I do anyway. I've been happy with it. I see on iherb that there are other companies that say their probiotics are "stabilized" and don't need refigeration.> I've decided to order lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobacillus over the internet.
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> I need to know a good site to shop at. I see a lot listed, but a few things bother me.
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> How long can it be out of refrigeration before it losses its power? I don't want some idiot business that lets them set around in the sun while shipping, because you know many are probably so incompentant that they do.
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Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 15, 2003, at 21:35:57
In reply to Re: Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida! » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on October 9, 2003, at 16:58:01
I just got it in the mail and took my first pill.
Thanks for the link and information before. I'm hoping this'll help.
Everyone who has used it, please post your results, and how quickly you saw any effect.
Posted by JLx on October 26, 2003, at 8:26:36
In reply to Re: Lactobacillus acidophilus to destroy candida! » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 15, 2003, at 21:35:57
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 29, 2003, at 22:46:08
In reply to Re: Probiotics - how's it going? (nm) » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on October 26, 2003, at 8:26:36
That is odd. I didn't get an email saying someone had replied to this thread.
Perhaps it was because there was no message. Or perhaps I just wasn't paying attention... hmm.. if you change the Subject, does it still remember to "notify you of later follow-ups to this thread"?
Anyway, I have been using it for exactly two weeks now, and haven't noticed anything odd. My poop was funny for a time, but I think they might've been something I ate. I don't really pay attention to these things, and don't remember if it was differant before.
I feel better these days, but I'm not sure if its the month of Omega 3 and vitamin B, etc., or the selenium I started taking recently, or the elimination of certain things from my diet, or the candida killing stuff, or the distilled water keeping the oh so evil chlorine away from me.
There is still anxiety, but not as much and not as severe... I think I'm sleeping more but I'm not certain...
I ordered some things to improve my memory... then I'll be able to pay attention hopefully uh... ack. I think my brain fell asleep 5 minutes ago and forgot to tell my body.
For more on Wolf Dreamer's attempts to improve his feeble mind, go here: http://pub37.ezboard.com/frandomthoughts28219frm40.showMessage?topicID=18.topic
To learn about Wolf Dreamer's epic battle against a giant raccoon, go here: http://pub37.ezboard.com/frandomthoughts28219frm34.showMessage?topicID=143.topic
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2003, at 23:01:03
In reply to Re: Probiotics - how's it going? » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 29, 2003, at 22:46:08
> That is odd. I didn't get an email saying someone had replied to this thread.
Hmm, you should've. Maybe it's just been delayed in transit?
> if you change the Subject, does it still remember to "notify you of later follow-ups to this thread"?
It should...
Bob
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 29, 2003, at 23:11:25
In reply to Re: email saying someone had replied, posted by Dr. Bob on October 29, 2003, at 23:01:03
it works. I just got your e-mail.
Dr. Bob, do you spend 24 hours a day online? You seem to always be here. Your dedication is impressive.
Or is there more than one Dr. Bob? I'm not talking clones and time travel here, just a large number of people banded together to help people, all going under the name Dr. Bob.
Posted by JLx on October 30, 2003, at 7:28:06
In reply to Re: Probiotics - how's it going? » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 29, 2003, at 22:46:08
> I feel better these days, but I'm not sure if its the month of Omega 3 and vitamin B, etc., or the selenium I started taking recently, or the elimination of certain things from my diet, or the candida killing stuff, or the distilled water keeping the oh so evil chlorine away from me.
Or it could be everything working together. I keep trying to eliminate things for cost reasons, but have to admit that I feel better when I am taking the handfuls of stuff.
I was drinking distilled water for a long while, but am now drinking tap. (I would prefer bottled spring water but can't afford it at the moment.) One of the things that turned me off distilled water was reading the info from various sources as reported on the Mercola site, such as: http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water_2.htm
> I ordered some things to improve my memory...
Be sure to report back here!
> To learn about Wolf Dreamer's epic battle against a giant raccoon, go here: http://pub37.ezboard.com/frandomthoughts28219frm34.showMessage?topicID=143.topic
Ha, that's nothing. :) I had a raccoon in my kitchen! My cocker spaniel was running around the kitchen/living room area growling weirdly...which scared me more than anything as I thought she was losing her mind! (She's old) I turned on the light on the other side of the room, looked over and saw this GIANT ;) bunch of brown fur perched on the top of my microwave. A very weird thing to see in one's kitchen! My poor dog was going nuts, as she couldn't spot it but obviously could smell it and knew that a foreign creature had invaded her territory. When I put her outside the front door, the 'coon must have scooted back out the back dog door, as it was gone.
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 30, 2003, at 9:29:22
In reply to Re: Probiotics - how's it going? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on October 30, 2003, at 7:28:06
So, it draws out metals from the body, including two good ones you need, calcium and magnesium. I'm thinking I could just swallow more of those to compensate. If it is pulling out hazardous stuff as well from me, then it is surely worth it.
Since chlorine and other things in tap water are so harmful to me, I think distilled water is the lesser of two evils.
I wonder how fast distilled water takes away the good stuff, and how many pills I should swallow to compensate.
Posted by JLx on October 30, 2003, at 9:35:43
In reply to water distilling harmful? Why not just take ca ma » JLx, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 30, 2003, at 9:29:22
> So, it draws out metals from the body, including two good ones you need, calcium and magnesium. I'm thinking I could just swallow more of those to compensate. If it is pulling out hazardous stuff as well from me, then it is surely worth it.
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> Since chlorine and other things in tap water are so harmful to me, I think distilled water is the lesser of two evils.
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> I wonder how fast distilled water takes away the good stuff, and how many pills I should swallow to compensate.I think that's the drawback, you won't know until you try it. I think one of those articles mentioned that people who supplemented for the lost minerals did do better but still not so hot? (It's been a while since I read that stuff...and I think I need those memory aids. ;))
Besides the big two, there's also some liquid "trace minerals" you can buy, -- perhaps that's who's buying that product, those who want to replenish minerals to their distilled water.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 31, 2003, at 10:58:36
In reply to Re: email saying someone had replied, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 29, 2003, at 23:11:25
> it works. I just got your e-mail...
I replied, but over at PBA:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20031008/msgs/275248.html
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:16:13
In reply to Re: Probiotics - how's it going? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by JLx on October 30, 2003, at 7:28:06
> > I feel better these days, but I'm not sure if its the month of Omega 3 and vitamin B, etc., or the selenium I started taking recently, or the elimination of certain things from my diet, or the candida killing stuff, or the distilled water keeping the oh so evil chlorine away from me.
>
> Or it could be everything working together. I keep trying to eliminate things for cost reasons, but have to admit that I feel better when I am taking the handfuls of stuff.I go with the "everything working together" idea.
> I was drinking distilled water for a long while, but am now drinking tap. (I would prefer bottled spring water but can't afford it at the moment.) One of the things that turned me off distilled water was reading the info from various sources as reported on the Mercola site, such as: http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water_2.htm
Problem is, that particular article and the links are horribly misleading about the acidity concept.
Water dissolves carbon dioxide from the air. All water does that, not just distilled. It dissolves carbon dioxide until it is in dynamic equilibrium with the atmosphere. That means that the amount being dissolved balances the amount coming out of solution. The total amount in the water is determined by the concentration in the atmosphere. In other words, you can't control this effect. All water has dissolved carbon dioxide in it, except water that has very recently been boiled. Within a couple of hours, it's reached that equilibrium again.
What makes the water acidic is the interaction between carbon dioxide and water.
2H2O + CO2 --> H2O + H2CO3 (carbonic acid) --> (H30+)(charged acidified water) + (HCO3-) (charged bicarbonate ion). Bicarbonate can then go on to lose another proton to another water molecule, but the reaction I've described in detail is the dominant acid-promoting one. Standing water has a pH of about 5.7 or 5.8.
Mercola goes on to say that this is highly acidic. Wrong! It is so slightly acidic that you can't taste the acid (your tongue has acid sensors). I don't care where you get your water from, it has the same pH, unless it has another form of acid added to it (e.g. acid rain, which is in part caused by the interaction of sulphur dioxide and water, H2O + SO2 --> H2SO3, and so on).
Distilled water is not healthy because of the lack of dissolved minerals, not because of the acid.Lar
Posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 9:00:32
In reply to Re: distilled water » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:16:13
Very interesting....I don't understand the chemistry here, but in general do you agree that distilled water draws out minerals from the body?
I recall reading somewhere once that letting tap water stand open for 24 hours will evaporate some of the chlorine. True or hogwash? I am really financially prohibited from buying water, so anything that makes my tap water even a bit better would be good. Would boiling it be worthwhile? I have very hard water which is one reason why I was drinking distilled water when I was drying to counteract the past effects of high calcium intact.
(Glad to see you back! :))
> Problem is, that particular article and the links are horribly misleading about the acidity concept.
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> Water dissolves carbon dioxide from the air. All water does that, not just distilled. It dissolves carbon dioxide until it is in dynamic equilibrium with the atmosphere. That means that the amount being dissolved balances the amount coming out of solution. The total amount in the water is determined by the concentration in the atmosphere. In other words, you can't control this effect. All water has dissolved carbon dioxide in it, except water that has very recently been boiled. Within a couple of hours, it's reached that equilibrium again.
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> What makes the water acidic is the interaction between carbon dioxide and water.
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> 2H2O + CO2 --> H2O + H2CO3 (carbonic acid) --> (H30+)(charged acidified water) + (HCO3-) (charged bicarbonate ion). Bicarbonate can then go on to lose another proton to another water molecule, but the reaction I've described in detail is the dominant acid-promoting one. Standing water has a pH of about 5.7 or 5.8.
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> Mercola goes on to say that this is highly acidic. Wrong! It is so slightly acidic that you can't taste the acid (your tongue has acid sensors). I don't care where you get your water from, it has the same pH, unless it has another form of acid added to it (e.g. acid rain, which is in part caused by the interaction of sulphur dioxide and water, H2O + SO2 --> H2SO3, and so on).
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> Distilled water is not healthy because of the lack of dissolved minerals, not because of the acid.
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> Lar
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on November 2, 2003, at 9:09:39
In reply to Re: distilled water » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:16:13
So I'll just keep taking calcium, and order some magnesium I suppose.
Anything else? And how can I tell how much its leeching? I'm not going back to contaminated chlorine tap water under any circumstances.
Did you know Centrum vitamins apparently have a lot of bad things mixed in them? I can't find the artical... forgot to bookmark it I suppose.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 9:11:18
In reply to Re: distilled water » Larry Hoover, posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 9:00:32
> Very interesting....I don't understand the chemistry here, but in general do you agree that distilled water draws out minerals from the body?
It doesn't draw them out....it just doesn't replace what you lose in urine, through inefficency of the kidneys. I hope thats not too fine a distinction....
> I recall reading somewhere once that letting tap water stand open for 24 hours will evaporate some of the chlorine. True or hogwash?True. You'll kill your tropical fish if you don't let tap water stand for at least 24 hours, due to chlorine.
> I am really financially prohibited from buying water, so anything that makes my tap water even a bit better would be good. Would boiling it be worthwhile?
Then you add in an energy cost. Time will do the same thing. Heat changes the rate of change, not the amount of change.
> I have very hard water which is one reason why I was drinking distilled water when I was drying to counteract the past effects of high calcium intact.
Hard water is good for you. There is substantial evidence to back that up. Only if you have particular personal health issues is calcium/magnesium restriction necessary, let alone beneficial, as far as I know.
> (Glad to see you back! :))
From work, you mean? I haven't left over the Admin kefuffle. It's a work in progress, though it deafening, the silence over there right now.
Lar
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