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Posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 20:37:12
Lou does not represent the overwhelming majority of posters on babble who reflect the mission statement of this board that provide "mutual support and education". I need not elaborate because we are all too well aware of his agenda. I think I speak for many who are outraged as well. Thank you, I needed to get this off my chest.
Sincerely
mad as ____ and not going to take it anymore!!!
Posted by sigismund on March 3, 2012, at 0:42:21
In reply to Lou Pilder, posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 20:37:12
>we are all too well aware of his agenda
I feel aware (as aware as I want to be) of everyone's agenda.
It is nice to be surprised though.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 9:37:28
In reply to Lou Pilder, posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 20:37:12
Friends,
Here is one link to one post here. I am requesting that you read such if you are considering being a discussant in this thread.
Now my agenda is to save lives. And to help prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. And to help those wanting to overcome addiction. And to help those that want to overcome depression. And to provide educational material to help those that want more information so that they can make a more-inforned decision as to either take a mind-altering drug or not. And there are other aspects of my agenda that Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me that I am prohibited from posting in relation to those prohibitions.
I joined this foirum because I thought that the University of Chicago was in some way a sponsor of the forum. That made me believe that I would have {academic freedom}, since a university was , as I thought, sponsoring the forum.
Here is a link to a post here that also brings into this discussion that another members states what is stated.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120212/msgs/1010901.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 9:40:41
In reply to Lou's response-ahkehdhmickphreedum, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 9:37:28
> Friends,
> Here is one link to one post here. I am requesting that you read such if you are considering being a discussant in this thread.
> Now my agenda is to save lives. And to help prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. And to help those wanting to overcome addiction. And to help those that want to overcome depression. And to provide educational material to help those that want more information so that they can make a more-inforned decision as to either take a mind-altering drug or not. And there are other aspects of my agenda that Mr. Hsiung has made prohibitions to me that I am prohibited from posting in relation to those prohibitions.
> I joined this foirum because I thought that the University of Chicago was in some way a sponsor of the forum. That made me believe that I would have {academic freedom}, since a university was , as I thought, sponsoring the forum.
> Here is a link to a post here that also brings into this discussion that another members states what is stated.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120212/msgs/1010901.htmlFriends,
Here is the corrected link:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
Posted by Phillipa on March 3, 2012, at 9:59:42
In reply to Lou Pilder, posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 20:37:12
Agree. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 13:01:52
In reply to Lou's response-ahkehdhmickphreedum, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 9:37:28
> Now my agenda is to save lives. And to help prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition.
What book did you read that influenced you the most in developing your agenda?
Agendas are not necessarily bad things. However, they are only as valid as the facts and logic that are used to support them. If they are invalid, they can be unhelpful and destructive.
Certainly, having an agenda to save lives and to prevent the ruination of lives is noble. Since, historically, psychotropic drugs have not universally caused death and life ruinations, I believe that your portrayal of them as being such is invalid. Your statements are very likely to be over-generalizations and exaggerations.
As I'm sure you noticed, I didn't change your subject line out of sense of politeness, courtesy, and etiquette.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 13:33:32
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ahkehdhmickphreedum » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on March 3, 2012, at 13:01:52
Friends,
If you afre considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[brain damage caused by neuroleptic psychiatric drugs.]
usually first
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 13:40:43
In reply to Lou's response-lyphrewining, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 13:33:32
> Friends,
> If you afre considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article.
> Lou
> To see this article:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [brain damage caused by neuroleptic psychiatric drugs.]
> usually firstFriends,
If you are interested in this discussion, I am requesting that you read the following article.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[the dark side of psychiatric drugs].
usually first
Posted by Phillipa on March 3, 2012, at 19:15:42
In reply to Lou's response-the drkpsydoftherhode, posted by Lou Pilder on March 3, 2012, at 13:40:43
I quit. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 19:03:30
In reply to Lou Pilder, posted by polarbear206 on March 2, 2012, at 20:37:12
> Lou does not represent the overwhelming majority of posters on babble who reflect the mission statement of this board that provide "mutual support and education". I need not elaborate because we are all too well aware of his agenda. I think I speak for many who are outraged as well. Thank you, I needed to get this off my chest.
>
> Sincerely
>
> mad as ____ and not going to take it anymore!!!
>
> polarbear206,
You wrote the above.
There has been a time in history where the overwhelming majority thought that the earth was flat. There was a time in history that the overwhelming majority thought that the sun revolved around the earth. There was a time in history where governments supported slavery.
But there is now a time in history where drugs that can cause one to want to kill themselves are given to people that are depressed. And they are given to children.
Here is a video that I am requesting for interested readers to view.
Lou
To see this video:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Dr Peter R. Breggin, MD-antidepressants and suicide-congresional testimony]
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2012, at 4:46:56
In reply to Lou's response-gallahleighow » polarbear206, posted by Lou Pilder on March 4, 2012, at 19:03:30
> > Lou does not represent the overwhelming majority of posters on babble who reflect the mission statement of this board that provide "mutual support and education". I need not elaborate because we are all too well aware of his agenda. I think I speak for many who are outraged as well. Thank you, I needed to get this off my chest.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > mad as ____ and not going to take it anymore!!!
> >
> > polarbear206,
> You wrote the above.
> There has been a time in history where the overwhelming majority thought that the earth was flat. There was a time in history that the overwhelming majority thought that the sun revolved around the earth. There was a time in history where governments supported slavery.
> But there is now a time in history where drugs that can cause one to want to kill themselves are given to people that are depressed. And they are given to children.
> Here is a video that I am requesting for interested readers to view.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Dr Peter R. Breggin, MD-antidepressants and suicide-congresional testimony]
>
> Friends,
If you read the whole page here with all of the outstanding requests from me to the administration here, you can see for yourselves what this site could have the potential for there to be the consideration of what is being promoted here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy, his past deputies and members posting here now and before.
Mr Hsiunng and his deputy and his previous deputies can control the content which could IMO lead to an indoctrination here. And those that read the posts here but do not post themselves, could be indoctrinated as well. But is indoctrination a sound mental-health practice? Do the prohibitions to me from Mr Hsiung help you to overcome depression and /or addiction?
But there is much more to this here. You see, children look into this site and see what they see. They see people telling others to try this drug or that drug and to combine drugs and in some cases the combination of the drugs could cause death. And there is the fact that the drugs could be addicting, causing a lifetime of misery and could lead to suicide or mass-murder.
Now I could tell you where these drugs came from, for what they were made for and more. And if you knew of that which I am prohibited from posting here, I think that there could be the potential for you to make a more informed decision as to take these mind-altering drugs or not. And then there are the children. They can have the potential to think that if a psychiatrist is the owner/operator of this site, then all is approved, including the taking of mind-altering drugs. They could have the potential to think that it is {OK} to take the drug combinations that others post here to take that could cause their death or addiction or lead to a life-ruining condition such as tardive dyyskinesia or diabetes or serotonin syndrome or a fatal blood disease or sudden cardiac arrest and death.
The children reading here could get reinforcment to take mind-altering drugs by reading what members post here and I am prohibited from posting a full response so that children are not givrn thr opportunity to see what I could post in the thread that IMHHHO could have the potential to save their lives from the effects of mind-altering drugs that could lead to a life-ruining condition.
Here is a link to an article that I am requesting interested members to read.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Dr. Peter Breggin, MD on the impact of psychoactive drugs on children]
Posted by Toph on March 6, 2012, at 15:34:04
In reply to Lou's response-schisldehybuz, posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2012, at 4:46:56
Knowing that conversing with Lou is futile, I just want to say as a passing former poster that Szasz and Breggin are important antagonists to psychotherapy and the unchallenged commercial selling of psychotropic medication. Breggin reminds me of a certain poster who obsesses about pharmaceutical complications with repeated doomsday hyperbole. Most of us are concerned about the side effects of our medication and their long-term use. So we are attentive to the warnings and bad experiences of others. We tire of those with misleading strident agendas, however. We don't ban airplanes, automobiles, swimming pools and medications because they occationally contribute to deaths. We weigh the benefits with the risks while companies strive to make each better and safer in a competitive market. If lithium had been pulled off the market 40 years ago because some users developed kidney problems or thyroid issues, I would not now be anticipating retirement with a comfortable pension and savings, rather I would likely be living in a mental health halfway house if I were even alive. Similarly, my daughter was incapacited by chronic depression a couple years ago. Now she is about to complete her masters in nursing as she finishes her clinicals on the cardiac unit at Children's hospital - all possible because of carefully monitored Wellbutrin use. I'm glad you're here Lou. But I'm also glad that mostly you're wrong.
Posted by Twinleaf on March 6, 2012, at 16:00:06
In reply to Re: Lou's response-chilldood » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on March 6, 2012, at 15:34:04
Such a fair and balanced summing-up in just one paragraph - fair, constructive and respectful to everyone. And truthful.
Posted by Phillipa on March 6, 2012, at 18:49:14
In reply to Re: Lou's response-chilldood » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on March 6, 2012, at 15:34:04
Congrats to your Daughter may she love Nursing. Phillipa
Posted by papillon2 on March 7, 2012, at 2:15:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response-chilldood » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on March 6, 2012, at 15:34:04
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2012, at 16:23:29
In reply to Re: Lou's response-chilldood » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on March 6, 2012, at 15:34:04
> Knowing that conversing with Lou is futile, I just want to say as a passing former poster that Szasz and Breggin are important antagonists to psychotherapy and the unchallenged commercial selling of psychotropic medication. Breggin reminds me of a certain poster who obsesses about pharmaceutical complications with repeated doomsday hyperbole. Most of us are concerned about the side effects of our medication and their long-term use. So we are attentive to the warnings and bad experiences of others. We tire of those with misleading strident agendas, however. We don't ban airplanes, automobiles, swimming pools and medications because they occationally contribute to deaths. We weigh the benefits with the risks while companies strive to make each better and safer in a competitive market. If lithium had been pulled off the market 40 years ago because some users developed kidney problems or thyroid issues, I would not now be anticipating retirement with a comfortable pension and savings, rather I would likely be living in a mental health halfway house if I were even alive. Similarly, my daughter was incapacited by chronic depression a couple years ago. Now she is about to complete her masters in nursing as she finishes her clinicals on the cardiac unit at Children's hospital - all possible because of carefully monitored Wellbutrin use. I'm glad you're here Lou. But I'm also glad that mostly you're wrong.
Friends,
It is written above.
Now one of my bedrock principles when I enter to post here is to leave anecdotal experiances at the door and let the data speak for itself. I like to provide rigorous scientific reports drawn from statistics that are on record and allow doctors and experts in their field speak to the forum here. I tend to lean to the understanding that anecdotal experiances could be classified in somewhat like {hearsay}, or biased or incomplete or other criteria that makes me lean to discard anecdotal experiances, although they could be true, but that is difficult sometimes to verify. I give a higher priority to an expert's report that has had the opportunity for peer rebuttal or acceptance.
Then there is the aspect of if I am here to get people to stop their drug(s). It is my deep dedication here to provide support and education so that people can overcome depression and addiction. The education that I could provide here is based on a very in-depth study of psychotropic drugs along with the study of {nerve agents} and the chemistry of death. A lot of this educational material I am prohibited from posting here due to the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung.
Now I consider two ways to overcome addiction and depression. One is by {human achievement} and the other by {divine accomplishment}. I am not aginst people taking drugs in an atttempt to overcome addiction and depression. But I say to you, that it is generally accepted that about 42,000 people died last year from psychotropic drugs, so they failed in their attempt to overcome. And as we go forward the accumulation of deaths from psychotropic drugs could be in the millions, as the number of deaths could be exponential due to that more people could be taking more of these drugs, and some give the ratio of 100 to 1 of reported deaths to actual deaths, for some deaths by these drugs could go unreported as death from the drug as some do not want to have an expert determine what caused the death,such as a heart attack. and then there are those that have already died from these drugs to be included in the total.
So it really doesn't bother me when one tells their experiance of using a drug here that they give credit to. Human achievement is a great accomplishment. But it can be hard and one can fail. I am here to reach the lost, those that can not achieve on their own. Those that have tried and failed. Those that have come to a Great Gulf and to them they feel that they are going to fall over the cliff to their death and are calling out,"What must I do to be saved?"
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2012, at 18:13:05
In reply to Lou's response-graytgolph, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2012, at 16:23:29
> > Knowing that conversing with Lou is futile, I just want to say as a passing former poster that Szasz and Breggin are important antagonists to psychotherapy and the unchallenged commercial selling of psychotropic medication. Breggin reminds me of a certain poster who obsesses about pharmaceutical complications with repeated doomsday hyperbole. Most of us are concerned about the side effects of our medication and their long-term use. So we are attentive to the warnings and bad experiences of others. We tire of those with misleading strident agendas, however. We don't ban airplanes, automobiles, swimming pools and medications because they occationally contribute to deaths. We weigh the benefits with the risks while companies strive to make each better and safer in a competitive market. If lithium had been pulled off the market 40 years ago because some users developed kidney problems or thyroid issues, I would not now be anticipating retirement with a comfortable pension and savings, rather I would likely be living in a mental health halfway house if I were even alive. Similarly, my daughter was incapacited by chronic depression a couple years ago. Now she is about to complete her masters in nursing as she finishes her clinicals on the cardiac unit at Children's hospital - all possible because of carefully monitored Wellbutrin use. I'm glad you're here Lou. But I'm also glad that mostly you're wrong.
>
> Friends,
> It is written above.
> Now one of my bedrock principles when I enter to post here is to leave anecdotal experiances at the door and let the data speak for itself. I like to provide rigorous scientific reports drawn from statistics that are on record and allow doctors and experts in their field speak to the forum here. I tend to lean to the understanding that anecdotal experiances could be classified in somewhat like {hearsay}, or biased or incomplete or other criteria that makes me lean to discard anecdotal experiances, although they could be true, but that is difficult sometimes to verify. I give a higher priority to an expert's report that has had the opportunity for peer rebuttal or acceptance.
> Then there is the aspect of if I am here to get people to stop their drug(s). It is my deep dedication here to provide support and education so that people can overcome depression and addiction. The education that I could provide here is based on a very in-depth study of psychotropic drugs along with the study of {nerve agents} and the chemistry of death. A lot of this educational material I am prohibited from posting here due to the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung.
> Now I consider two ways to overcome addiction and depression. One is by {human achievement} and the other by {divine accomplishment}. I am not aginst people taking drugs in an atttempt to overcome addiction and depression. But I say to you, that it is generally accepted that about 42,000 people died last year from psychotropic drugs, so they failed in their attempt to overcome. And as we go forward the accumulation of deaths from psychotropic drugs could be in the millions, as the number of deaths could be exponential due to that more people could be taking more of these drugs, and some give the ratio of 100 to 1 of reported deaths to actual deaths, for some deaths by these drugs could go unreported as death from the drug as some do not want to have an expert determine what caused the death,such as a heart attack. and then there are those that have already died from these drugs to be included in the total.
> So it really doesn't bother me when one tells their experiance of using a drug here that they give credit to. Human achievement is a great accomplishment. But it can be hard and one can fail. I am here to reach the lost, those that can not achieve on their own. Those that have tried and failed. Those that have come to a Great Gulf and to them they feel that they are going to fall over the cliff to their death and are calling out,"What must I do to be saved?"
> Lou
>Friends,
If you are interested in this discussion, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Dr Thomas Szasz on Psychiatry]
Posted by europerep on March 8, 2012, at 11:46:18
In reply to Lou's response-graytgolph, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2012, at 16:23:29
> But I say to you, that it is generally accepted that about 42,000 people died last year from psychotropic drugs,...
No it isn't!
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2012, at 12:05:57
In reply to Lou's response-gtnokikzehygenstmdrnszasz, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2012, at 18:13:05
> > > Knowing that conversing with Lou is futile, I just want to say as a passing former poster that Szasz and Breggin are important antagonists to psychotherapy and the unchallenged commercial selling of psychotropic medication. Breggin reminds me of a certain poster who obsesses about pharmaceutical complications with repeated doomsday hyperbole. Most of us are concerned about the side effects of our medication and their long-term use. So we are attentive to the warnings and bad experiences of others. We tire of those with misleading strident agendas, however. We don't ban airplanes, automobiles, swimming pools and medications because they occationally contribute to deaths. We weigh the benefits with the risks while companies strive to make each better and safer in a competitive market. If lithium had been pulled off the market 40 years ago because some users developed kidney problems or thyroid issues, I would not now be anticipating retirement with a comfortable pension and savings, rather I would likely be living in a mental health halfway house if I were even alive. Similarly, my daughter was incapacited by chronic depression a couple years ago. Now she is about to complete her masters in nursing as she finishes her clinicals on the cardiac unit at Children's hospital - all possible because of carefully monitored Wellbutrin use. I'm glad you're here Lou. But I'm also glad that mostly you're wrong.
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written above.
> > Now one of my bedrock principles when I enter to post here is to leave anecdotal experiances at the door and let the data speak for itself. I like to provide rigorous scientific reports drawn from statistics that are on record and allow doctors and experts in their field speak to the forum here. I tend to lean to the understanding that anecdotal experiances could be classified in somewhat like {hearsay}, or biased or incomplete or other criteria that makes me lean to discard anecdotal experiances, although they could be true, but that is difficult sometimes to verify. I give a higher priority to an expert's report that has had the opportunity for peer rebuttal or acceptance.
> > Then there is the aspect of if I am here to get people to stop their drug(s). It is my deep dedication here to provide support and education so that people can overcome depression and addiction. The education that I could provide here is based on a very in-depth study of psychotropic drugs along with the study of {nerve agents} and the chemistry of death. A lot of this educational material I am prohibited from posting here due to the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung.
> > Now I consider two ways to overcome addiction and depression. One is by {human achievement} and the other by {divine accomplishment}. I am not aginst people taking drugs in an atttempt to overcome addiction and depression. But I say to you, that it is generally accepted that about 42,000 people died last year from psychotropic drugs, so they failed in their attempt to overcome. And as we go forward the accumulation of deaths from psychotropic drugs could be in the millions, as the number of deaths could be exponential due to that more people could be taking more of these drugs, and some give the ratio of 100 to 1 of reported deaths to actual deaths, for some deaths by these drugs could go unreported as death from the drug as some do not want to have an expert determine what caused the death,such as a heart attack. and then there are those that have already died from these drugs to be included in the total.
> > So it really doesn't bother me when one tells their experiance of using a drug here that they give credit to. Human achievement is a great accomplishment. But it can be hard and one can fail. I am here to reach the lost, those that can not achieve on their own. Those that have tried and failed. Those that have come to a Great Gulf and to them they feel that they are going to fall over the cliff to their death and are calling out,"What must I do to be saved?"
> > Lou
> >
>
> Friends,
> If you are interested in this discussion, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To view this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Dr Thomas Szasz on Psychiatry]Friends,
Here is a video that I am requesting ffor interested members to view. The page that comes up has in the second pargraph the use of the {42,000} people that died from psychotropic drugs last year. Then there is also the video there.
Lou
To see this page and video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Top documentary films, the untold story of psychotropic drugging]
usually first
Posted by polarbear206 on March 8, 2012, at 16:29:31
In reply to Re: Lou's response-graytgolph » Lou Pilder, posted by europerep on March 8, 2012, at 11:46:18
stopshrinks.org is where Lou gets his so called scientific research. Need I say more.
Posted by polarbear206 on March 8, 2012, at 16:30:45
In reply to good post Toph (nm), posted by papillon2 on March 7, 2012, at 2:15:21
You bet !!!
Posted by Phillipa on March 8, 2012, at 20:25:13
In reply to Re: Lou's response-graytgolph, posted by polarbear206 on March 8, 2012, at 16:29:31
Really? Good job of investigating. Phillipa
Posted by europerep on March 9, 2012, at 7:46:54
In reply to Lou's response-phoardytukehy, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2012, at 12:05:57
> Here is a video that I am requesting ffor interested members to view. The page that comes up has in the second pargraph the use of the {42,000} people that died from psychotropic drugs last year.
Seriously? You get your info from YouTube videos and then try to sell them as legitimate sources on here? We can't even know that it wasn't you who uploaded those videos to YouTube in the first place.
Posted by SLS on March 10, 2012, at 7:01:36
In reply to Lou's response-graytgolph, posted by Lou Pilder on March 7, 2012, at 16:23:29
Hi Lou.
What psychotropic drugs have you tried in the past?
- Scott
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