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Posted by crazy teresa on August 16, 2006, at 12:39:12
In reply to Lou's reply to Crazy Teresa » crazy teresa, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 10:18:24
Dr. Bob is not a governmental body, so comparing him to one is not a valid comparison.
You might also consider the fact that your comparisons could serve to inflate his ego, in turn, feeding his god complex, so please cease and desist! ;~}
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 14:14:12
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Crazy Teresa » Lou Pilder, posted by crazy teresa on August 16, 2006, at 12:39:12
ct,
You wrote,[Dr. Bob...feeding his (Dr.Hsiung's) God complex...].
Are you meaning any of the following?
A. you think Dr. Hsiung has a god- complex
B. people, in your thinking, have a god-complex
C. psychiatrists have a god-complex
D. all of the above
E. some of the above
F something else...
Lou
Posted by crazy teresa on August 16, 2006, at 18:12:06
In reply to Lou's reply to Crazy Teresa- » crazy teresa, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 14:14:12
Posters have discussed this before; the site is run accordingly. That's okay. It's his site and he can do whatever he wants with it.
Why do you seem to object to this so strongly? No place is perfect. Life is NEVER fair. Why do you expect PB to be? PB is run by a human whom is imperfect.
Posted by crazy teresa on August 16, 2006, at 18:12:57
In reply to A, posted by crazy teresa on August 16, 2006, at 18:12:06
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 19:02:17
In reply to You're not comparing apples to apples. » Lou Pilder, posted by crazy teresa on August 15, 2006, at 6:42:56
crazy teresa,
Please do not post to me
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060802/msgs/676598.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 19:06:45
In reply to Lou's request to crazy teresa to not post to him » crazy teresa, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 19:02:17
crazy teresa,
Please do not post to me.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060802/msgs/676598.html
Posted by crazy teresa on August 17, 2006, at 9:19:56
In reply to Lou's request -corrected link for DNP to me » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 19:06:45
I thought we were dialoging in a civil manner.
I will respect your decision to reject my support and no longer post to you. But it won't change the fact that I gave you something to think about...
Posted by Dinah on August 17, 2006, at 10:26:29
In reply to What happened Lou? » Lou Pilder, posted by crazy teresa on August 17, 2006, at 9:19:56
I'm sorry, but after someone's asked you to not post to them, site guidelines require that you do not address any further posts to them at all.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
I'm hoping the FAQ are up to date on this issue. :)
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Posted by crazy teresa on August 17, 2006, at 14:08:27
In reply to Please follow site guidelines » crazy teresa, posted by Dinah on August 17, 2006, at 10:26:29
Have they changed? I thought you got a reply to the DNP.
Posted by Dinah on August 17, 2006, at 15:03:41
In reply to Re: Please follow site guidelines » Dinah, posted by crazy teresa on August 17, 2006, at 14:08:27
No. It's possible to comment on it, but only very carefully, and in no way addressing the requestor. Which is very difficult in practice.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 27, 2006, at 1:51:31
In reply to Lou's reply to Crazy Teresa » crazy teresa, posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2006, at 10:18:24
> are there not statements that accuse the Jews of killing Christ and are not sanctioned
If there are, I'm sorry about that, since I agree, they could lead Jews to feel accused and therefore aren't civil.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 11:03:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on August 27, 2006, at 1:51:31
> > are there not statements that accuse the Jews of killing Christ and are not sanctioned
>
> If there are, I'm sorry about that, since I agree, they could lead Jews to feel accused and therefore aren't civil.
>
> Bob
DR. Hsiung,
You wrote that if there are {posts that accuse the Jews of killing Christ} that you are sorry about that{not sanctioning those posts} and agree that they are not civil.
There are many many of those posts that have gone unsanctioned for even years.
And now, there are many of those that when you click in what led to the statement that the Jews killed Christ, that a page comes up,"The URL address was not found"
Have those posts been altered on their own? If not, do you know who has modified those posts and now has altered the content by having those posts not to be able to be seen now?
An apology is a very good thing. The Jewish community is looking at how this is being handled.
I am asking;
A. that you restore the posts to their original content regardless as to how they were altered
B. that you post in each and every thread that has statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings, or say in any way that the Jews killed Christ, deride Jews, condemn Jews, defame Jews, or any other uncivl statement, your apology there.
Lou Pilder
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 13:00:38
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 11:03:43
> > > > And now, there are many of those that when you click in what led to the statement that the Jews killed Christ, that a page comes up,"The URL address was not found"
> Have those posts been altered on their own? If not, do you know who has modified those posts and now has altered the content by having those posts not to be able to be seen now?
>
> I am asking;
> A. that you restore the posts to their original content regardless as to how they were alteredLou, my guess is that the pages which had been linked to have now been removed. The change has nothing to do with this site, but with the owner of the site those pages were on. There's nothing Dr Bob can do about it in that case.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 13:54:27
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 13:00:38
...and I've said it before. The URL's were to completed searches, which are not stable over time. Reindexing a site is one task that affects completed searches. It's been a few years since those search results were obtained and accessed at that URL. You can still find the content if you perform the same search.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 14:27:16
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 13:00:38
Friends,
It is suggested that the owner of the site that the pagers were on, has removed them.
I have talked to their technical dept and they say that they would not do that and that they are still there.
You can call them at the number that is given in their web site.
I have asked Dr. Hsiung and The owner of the other site and myself to have a conference about this and I have not received a reply from either.
The technical chief that I did talk to said that he could "go to it".
Lou PIlder
If anyone wants the URLs to these, they cam email me and I will also give you the ones that are still there that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 14:34:10
In reply to I agree with Racer, posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 13:54:27
gg,
I have asked Dr. Hsiung to restore those posts regardless as to how they became going to,[...URL not found...].
And anyway, there are many others that are from that same place that are still there in their original form that have statements that accuse Jews, and insult Jews.
Then there is the discussions ther inthe thread that shows what was there that id=s not there now.
Lou Pilder
I think that the other site has the final ruling on how this has happend and I am awaiting thir email to me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 14:47:27
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 13:00:38
Racer,
You wrote,[...ther is nothing...can do..]
I am awaiting to hear from that other site's technical director about this and I am schedualing this through email. So if anyone wants to participate in it, let me know and the emails can be forwarded to you.
Now there is the possibility that the other site has done something on their end to stop the link from going there and I am asking all involved to find out how this is happpening. When I talked to their tech chief, he said that he would never allow those statements to remain posted if he was the owner of this site, but not his site because that is their official doctrins. So this does need to be investigated and I am doing the best that I can now and when my investigatuioon is complete, it will be published.
There are many bloggers now interested in what is happining here. They do ask me about it and I only show them what is plainly visible. So my freedom speech can be done outside this site.
It is a bad break to be expelled when I want to have this cleared up and the posts that accuse Jews and defame Jews to be sanctioned.
Yet today, I consider myself, to be, the luckiest man, on the face of the earth.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 18:46:00
In reply to Lou's response to Racer's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 14:27:16
> If anyone wants the URLs to these, they cam email me and I will also give you the ones that are still there that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings
> lpilder_1188@fuse.netIsn't sending the URLs in question doing just what you accuse others of doing? "Fostering defamation against Jews?"
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 19:21:31
In reply to Why would you do this? » Lou Pilder, posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 18:46:00
Friends,
As to why I am sending the URLs to the posts that have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings that have not been sanctioned, it is because others request them so that they do not have to go through the archives and some do not believe that they exist. If others request them, I will send them to them. The posts are to show that they have not been sanctioned, not so that they could use them to foster antisemitism somewhere else. And was there not a post here that has the potential for some others to think that there could be a dispute as to if the statements in question put down Jews? I am sending those that request them so that they can examine them for themselves and make their own deteermination as to if they put down Jews or not. This is in response to others posting what IMO has the potential for some to think that these posts are not in the archives. And since they are in the archives, the forum has them available, unsanctioned, for them to see with out me sending them at their requests. I am only sending what is already here.
These posts are in other data bases to show that they are not sanctioned, not to promote antisemitism. These posts are in the public domain and anyone can email them to others.
Since they have been posted in their original form in other data bases, the ones that have now are seen as[..URL not found..] raises the questions that we have here now.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2006, at 19:36:45
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of Racer's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 19:21:31
Bye Bye admin. Not safe here. Too I don't know what to say. This just isn't me. And I still say Lou don't post to me. And would it not be true. That someone can e-mail anything and use any language they want and no one can block them as it's private. So I'd be careful publishing e-mails for the whole World to see. Who knows who may get into your bank account, credit etc. Love Phillipa ps can computers be hacked this way? I'm a computer niave person
Posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 20:21:54
In reply to Lou's reply to gg » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 14:34:10
>
> I think that the other site has the final ruling on how this has happend and I am awaiting thir email to me.Well, I don't see that any "ruling" is necessary, but if you are relying on the accuracy of the technical director from lds.org's statements for your understanding of the matter, you might want to rethink that based on your report of his response. If he did state that no changes to the site have been made that could affect the stability of a URL which links to search results, I believe he's mistaken.
Here is the URL from the post about which you've inquired. http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=christ+son+of+god&scripturesearch_button=Search
Below is the URL of the search results I obtained by using the same search terms and the site's scripture search tool. Please note, I inserted a space after "org" in order to avoid posting a link to material that could be considered not civil. The actual URL does not contain that space, and you must remove it in order to access the link.
[xxx]If you compare the two URL's, it's clear that the site has changed the query language for searches. The URL from the babble post does not match the current query language, and thus the "page not found" message is generated.
Perhaps your contact from lds.org did not understand your question. Or perhaps he was not involved in the web site's programming when a change was made to the search tool. But clearly there has been a change.
Please know that there is no conspiracy, and Dr. Bob is not responsible for anyone getting an error message from clicking on a URL linking to another site.
I trust this will settle the matter. No need to thank me, as I benefitted from checking into this myself.
Regards,
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 20:42:54
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to gg » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 20:21:54
Friends,
I have examined the aspects of ggs post. All that I know is what I was told by the other site and I have not heard from either Dr. Hsiung or the tech. admin. at the other site. If there is a misunderstanding, that is what I am asking to have cleaerd up.
But if there was a change done by the other site, I was led to believe that there was not,for I spacifically asked if their site could be causing this and was told that it had to be done at the other end. Perhaps he was unknowing of a change. So I am asking to have this cleared up and Dr. Hsiung could confirm what gg has posted here and that could end this investigation.
But even if the other site changed the way it operates, I am asking that the posts be restored to their original form by putting back what has been now led to [...not found...]and a notation from Dr. Hsiung next to those posts that say why they do not lead to what was originally posted. This, I feel, will keep the record intact.
But I am awaiting an answer from the other site and they are 3 hours behind me. I will explain this to him and allow him to comment on it. But then there is the statement that he made to me that he could go to it. I will ask him about it. I think that there could be two sides to this yet.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 20:55:08
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of gg's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 20:42:54
Friends,
I think that there are still things that need answers here concerning the posts that have a link that leads to ,[...not found...].
Let us assume that there was a change by the other site. I think that if there was a reason for the change, and I think that if there was a change that it is quite likely that the chief tech director would have known about it. And if he did not, then when he found out, if there was a change, would it be reasonable to think that he would have emailed me with that news? And what about the members of that site. Were they told of the change?
I think that I will hold off on making any judgment in this matter until Dr. Hsiung writes his opinion and also after I hear from the tech director of that site.
Lou
Posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 21:36:24
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of gg's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 20:42:54
> Friends,
> I have examined the aspects of ggs post. All that I know is what I was told by the other site and I have not heard from either Dr. Hsiung or the tech. admin. at the other site. If there is a misunderstanding, that is what I am asking to have cleaerd up.
> But if there was a change done by the other site, I was led to believe that there was not,for I spacifically asked if their site could be causing this and was told that it had to be done at the other end. Perhaps he was unknowing of a change. So I am asking to have this cleared up and Dr. Hsiung could confirm what gg has posted here and that could end this investigation.
> But even if the other site changed the way it operates, I am asking that the posts be restored to their original form by putting back what has been now led to [...not found...]and a notation from Dr. Hsiung next to those posts that say why they do not lead to what was originally posted. This, I feel, will keep the record intact.
> But I am awaiting an answer from the other site and they are 3 hours behind me. I will explain this to him and allow him to comment on it. But then there is the statement that he made to me that he could go to it. I will ask him about it. I think that there could be two sides to this yet.
> LouNo, Lou, there are not two sides to it. There's one issue here: the post in question linked to a search query -- NOT to a webpage. That's what GG posted, and that's the issue.
Personally, I would like to thank GG for going to the trouble of looking into this. She didn't have to do that, and yet she did. Thank you, GG. Some of us do appreciate what you do here.
As for the person you emailed at lds.org, it sounds to me as though he did not understand your question. Did you tell him you were looking for an URL? Or did you tell him you were looking for the results of a query? Those are two very different things.
As for having Dr Bob make a change to the original post, that's not likely to happen. You know why I say that? Because Dr Bob has made it clear, repeatedly, to many posters, that what is posted here stays posted. If you post something you regret -- well, you chose to post it, you live with having it out there for all to see. He will not change it. He's made that clear. In this case, I can't see any reason to believe he would change his mind about that and make a change to the post. NO, it would not be a case of making a change to go back to what it was -- there are lots of outdated links on this site. That's the nature of the beast. Things on the World Wide Web change. Pages are deleted. Whole websites are deleted. It happens.
And asking that Dr Bob make those changes because you want them made, Lou, is asking for special treatment. Why should you receive special treatment, when others do not? Don't you say you want to be treated the way others are? That you don't want to be singled out? This is the flip side of that coin, Lou.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 27, 2006, at 22:03:47
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of gg's post » Lou Pilder, posted by Racer on August 27, 2006, at 21:36:24
Friends,
I am asking that the parts that are now missing, due to any reason, be restored. This is so that the record could be intact.
GG has said that she could not post the link because it is uncivil?
That is why I am asking that the posts be restored. I am not asking for it to be changed from the original, but restored to the original.
And after thinking about this, I still think that there are two sides to this and that I can not make a judgment untill I hear both sides.
I do not know what happened and I am attempting to find out. If this happened by itself, I still am asking for the record to be restored to its original. I would not object to anyone here also asking that something be restored to its original. For the record is changed now and I think that restoring is not changeing, but correcting the record to its original.
Lou
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