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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 14:18:16
Dr Hsiung,
I am requesting a determination as to if the following is acceptable in relation to the guidlines for this forum.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/2000/20040626/msgs/403804.html
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 16, 2004, at 15:35:06
In reply to Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 14:18:16
Don't tell me, I was being anti semetic by being upset with my husband because my husband has a jewish great aunt?!!!!!!!
Thanks Lou, I was so close to breaking point, and you have helped me just HUGELY today. (that was sarcasm by the way)
Cheers
Posted by gardenergirl on October 16, 2004, at 15:52:11
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 16, 2004, at 15:35:06
Nikki,
I can't post on 2000, but I wanted to let you know I am thinking about you. It sounds like a horrible time, and of course you are upset. I'm beaming hugs and support over the ocean to you. I hope you don't go, because I absolutely love reading about your book adventures. Did you meet that author yet?Take deep breaths, and whatever else you know is soothing for you.
Be well,
gg
Posted by Dinah on October 16, 2004, at 16:36:30
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 16, 2004, at 15:35:06
But I'm really sorry you're having such a rough time. It sounds as if you're as *stuck* in the midst of conflicting but equally compelling absolutes as I am. That makes it *seem* like there is only one option. Believe me, I understand that feeling.
But I'm getting some additional compelling absolutes that that particular option is equally unacceptable. So I'm trying to open my mind to hitherto unconsidered options.
Maybe we could brainstorm some other options for both of us? Or better yet, maybe someone whose brain doesn't feel like tapioca pudding can help us brainstorm?
Posted by mair on October 16, 2004, at 17:10:59
In reply to Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 14:18:16
1. I don't see anything inappropriate about this post.
2. Since this is a thread on the 2000 Board, Lou, you can't participate in it and it obviously wasn't written with you in mind. Why, then do you feel you need to bring it to Dr. Bob's attention? Given how awful Nikki's situation is, wouldn't it have been the better part of valor to email Bob if you really did feel you needed a ruling on this?
Mair
Posted by Fi on October 16, 2004, at 17:36:24
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 16, 2004, at 15:35:06
I had a look at the message he had linked to (I was curious to read his post, as he had been quiet for a little while) The only thing I can guess he is challenging is the couple of explicit sexual references. But he didnt say, and to be honest, does it matter? Worst thing could happen is a PBC, which isnt a huge problem. And those are up to Dr Bob, anyway.
I am happy to say that Lou has told me not to post to him (I only did once- including challenging him re his anti-semitism claims).
My general approach is to avoid Admin unless I am feeling really well, and even then to be choosy about the posts I read. But I think Lou has his own particular issues, and in some way your post gave him an opportunity. Dont take it personally!
Dont let him distract you, and lots of luck with your tough situation.
Fi
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 19:50:37
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 16, 2004, at 15:35:06
NikkiT2,
Please do not post to me.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/403873.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 20:08:58
In reply to Am I Missing Something? » Lou Pilder, posted by mair on October 16, 2004, at 17:10:59
Mair, Please do not post to me.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/403917.html
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 17, 2004, at 4:45:52
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » NikkiT2, posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 19:50:37
Yes, I know I will get blocked for this, but I need that anyway. You have pushed me away from this site, my one real source of support where I can speak about anything.
Anyway, are you going to ask EVERYONE that disagree's with you not to post to you?? Seems like a great way to never have any of your posts / ideas / accusations refuted or questioned.
I would tell you I believe you are evil, but I won't as last time I said anything along those lines you threatened me with legal action.
So I will simply ask you to take a step back and try and seem the pain and hurt you are causing here with your constant "requests for verification" on posts that no one else can see a problem with, but which hurt the poster terribly.
Nikki
Posted by fayeroe on October 18, 2004, at 0:03:08
In reply to Am I Missing Something? » Lou Pilder, posted by mair on October 16, 2004, at 17:10:59
Amen, Mair. Thank you for your post....I saw nothing wrong with the post and your take is completely on. Pat
Posted by fayeroe on October 18, 2004, at 0:05:48
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 17, 2004, at 4:45:52
Nikki, come over to Psych Central. There are several there that you know. I'm thinking of you and hoping things are better.........Pat
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 18, 2004, at 8:33:03
In reply to Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on October 16, 2004, at 14:18:16
> I am requesting a determination as to if the following is acceptable in relation to the guidlines for this forum.
I'll take a look the next time I get to 2000.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 18, 2004, at 8:38:38
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 17, 2004, at 4:45:52
> I know I will get blocked for this, but I need that anyway.
Please don't post to someone if they've asked you not to. Maybe don't even read their posts?
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2004, at 14:15:31
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on October 16, 2004, at 15:35:06
> Don't tell me, I was being anti semetic by being upset with my husband because my husband has a jewish great aunt?!!!!!!!
>
> Thanks Lou, I was so close to breaking point, and you have helped me just HUGELY today. (that was sarcasm by the way)
>
> CheersDr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you allow me an exemption from the 3-post rule in order to reply to the above statement in the post,[...don't tell me, I was being antisemitic...].
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 9:22:56
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2004, at 14:15:31
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you allow me to invite a guest expert to the forum from the Jewish Defense League or the ADL or some other group that could comment on the post below.
[...Don't tell me, I was being antisemitic by being upset with my husband because my husband has a jewish great aunt?!!!!!! Thanks Lou, I was so close to breaking point, and you have helped me just HUGELY today. (that was sarcasm by the way...].
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/403873.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2004, at 9:30:07
In reply to Lou's request to Dr.Hsiung-3-post-exemp, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 9:22:56
> I am requesting that you allow me to invite a guest expert to the forum from the Jewish Defense League or the ADL or some other group
I'm open in general to guests, do you want to run it by the board and see what the others think?
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 9:40:44
In reply to Re: guest experts, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2004, at 9:30:07
Dr. Hsiung,
You wrote, [...do you want to run it by the board to see what others think?...].
I do not think that is necessarry, and would preferr that you do not foster a discussion about that, but others could innitiate a discussion about that on their own volition.
Lou Pilder
Posted by NikkiT2 on October 26, 2004, at 10:44:16
In reply to Re: guest experts, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2004, at 9:30:07
I don't believe my comment really needs an expert to explain anything to me.
I understand antisemitism perfectly well, and my comment was aimed at Lou, and Lou alone. It was in response to myself, and many others, having been accused of being antisemetic on many times over comments that had no real connection to that issue.
I was very hurt, and very upset that a post I wrote whilst in deep pain had been posted here for "review", and the comment was aimed to get a response form Lou as to what exactly was offensive about my post.
Before Lou's previous block, he threatened me with legal action over a comment I can't even remember now. That caused me incredible distress, as it made me believe I would be unable to visit the US, or travel through it, and is something I feel unable to ever forgive.
I even spent money to get legal advice from a world renowned Jewish group in NYC, who felt that I had absolutaly nothing to defend.I really see no point in having an expert explain to me what ever it is Lou wants explained to me.
I am starting to feel very harrassed by Lou.
Nikki
ps - how can I ask someone not to post to me, when I am unable to post to them??
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 10:49:25
In reply to Lou's response to Dr. Hsiung » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 9:40:44
Dr. Hsiung,
Another reason that I am requesting that you allow me to invite a representative to write here from a jewish advocacy group is because of I am not permitted to post more that 3 consecutive posts and I feel that a guest expert could be exempted from that rule from the beginning, or I do not feel that I could get someone to be a guest expert here with telling them that rule applied to them also.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 11:26:58
In reply to Re: guest experts, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2004, at 9:30:07
Dr. Hsiung,
One thing that I would like an expert to explaine her in relation to antisemitism is that modersn antisemitism is different from proto-nazi antisemitism. Proto-nazi antisemitism was about jews as a social and cultural hate. Modern antisemitism has other basis such as being based on race. The nazis killed jews if their reletives were jewish, even if they themselves had converted to christianity.
I am offering here for one to read very hatefull antisemitic document written by Martin Luther in 1543. As one reads it, I do not think that they can avoid seeing how Hitler carried this writing out and how jews are portreyed by him. This document is one of thos ethat set the stage for the Nazi Holocaust. As a jew, I feel that it is my responsibility to use all of my efforts to counteract anything that has the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings . The expert on antisemitism could go into this in more detail if I was allowed to have one post here.
Lou Pilder
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 11:54:46
In reply to Re: please be civil » NikkiT2, posted by Dr. Bob on October 18, 2004, at 8:38:38
Dr. Hsiung,
I am requesting that you make a determination as to the acceptability or not of the following in relation to the guidlines of the forum.
In post 407422, the poster write, [...my comment was aimed at Lou...]
There is another type of statement that has the potential to be hurtfull to jewish people. It is not like a statement that is overt in calling someone something that is anti semitic, but has the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings to a jew, like myself. For instance, one could start a converstion about how they like Hitler's ideas in group of people knowing that a jew is present. This is another thing that I would like my expert to post about.
You wrote in one of my previous objections to a post [...having the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings...] by writing that you did not think it was antisemitic. I am only asking you hear to make a determination as to if these statements in question that I am requesting for you to make a determination about [has the {potential} to arrouse antisemitic feelings], not that they themselves are antisemitic, but they could be.
Lou Pilder
Posted by pegasus on October 26, 2004, at 13:57:05
In reply to Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 11:54:46
I kind of hate to jump into this fray. But Lou, you really confused me with your last post. I'm stuck in two places:
1) I also never saw anything antisemitic about Nikki's original post, and I've been hoping that you might explain exactly what part of what she said you are objecting to.
2) I'm not able to understand what type of statement might not be antisemitic itself, but might arouse antisemitic feelings. Could you give an example? Maybe using some issue other than antisemitism, if you don't want to give examples of antisemitic thinking.
Finally, while I appreciate your desire to do everything possible to fight antisemitism, and I support you in that effort, I think that there can come a point where that fight itself can take a form that oppresses other people in a similar way to what you're concerned about fighting. So, then, I would think that you would be netting a negative outcome. In my opinion, you're getting mighty close to that line here. Just something to consider, while maintaining your vigilance against a certainly very serious problem.
pegasus
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 14:09:41
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Dr. Hsiung » Lou Pilder, posted by pegasus on October 26, 2004, at 13:57:05
pegasus,
You wrote,[... I never saw anything antisemitic about ...(the ) original post...].
Does the {original) post involve [... antisemitic...jewish great aunt...], ?
I could respond accordingly if you could clarify that.
You wrote, [...what ...statement...could arrouse antisemitic feelings... and not be antisemitic?...]
There are many examples that I could post here, but I think that that could be better handled by my invited expert . I could answere your question, but I believe that I would need more than 3 consecutive posts to do so here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 14:22:56
In reply to Lou's response to pegasus » pegasus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 14:09:41
pegasus,
I am not saying that these statements are antisemitic, but that they have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings. These consists of more than one type. One type could have the [potential] to arrouse antisemitic feelings to a group. Another could have the[potential] to arrouse antisemitic feelings to a jew. I would need my expert to explaine this better than I could, although I feel that I could if I was not restrained by the 3-post rule.
What would you think if a poster here posted a link to the a web site that had statements that had the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings? Or a bible veres that had the same potential?Do you think that it could be acceptable here to post such? Some examples could be, [..Isreal us responsible for the war in Iraq..] or, [... the jews are the crucifir\eres of Christ..], or, [...anyone that honors any other God besides Jesus is not saved...].
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on October 26, 2004, at 14:53:20
In reply to Lou's response to pegasus-B, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2004, at 14:22:56
....I really hate to enter into this fray. But I feel that taking a post out of someone's very emotional pain and using it to make a point (about something that I doubt was even considered, much less written with the intent to hurt anyone else) is a bit beyond the pale. I feel that I had to address this because I know that the person whose post has been dissected is very hurt and upset about this. Perhaps it might be easier, all around, if we considered the intent of the post before we take issue with it. The majority of the people who post here are seeking relief and support from something that is causing him or her pain...and naturally it's terribly upsetting when a very personal post is scrutinized so publicly on this board. I'm very, very sorry that this has happened.
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