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Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 9:13:44
In reply to Nardil Update, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 8:42:50
Thanks for sharing that jade.
You remembered me to not be greedy with the effects of medications, cause it always gets worse.
You reach a certain limit and then it doesn't get any better, just stick with it.Thanks!
Have you any eps from the zyprexa, or do nardil prevent that with you?
Posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 10:12:40
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 9:13:44
> Thanks for sharing that jade.
> You remembered me to not be greedy with the effects of medications, cause it always gets worse.
> You reach a certain limit and then it doesn't get any better, just stick with it.Well now I know my limit! And while it was a VERY unpleasant couple of days, I now know what dose I can tolerate, and that I'm stuck with a higher dose of AP if I want to stay on Nardil.
> Have you any eps from the zyprexa, or do nardil prevent that with you?I've been on Zyprexa for years as an A/D and have had no eps (I think, what symptoms does eps include?) I actually like Zyprexa for its calming effect and ease in falling asleep. The weight gain is what makes it almost intolerable.
Jade
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 13:27:26
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » jonhed, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 10:12:40
I agree, olanzapine is my absolute favourite AP to. It's like nothing else due to it's calming effects.
When i was in the locked psych ward often (5-2 years ago) i would say that zyprexa is the only thing that they can give me or else i will go home. I really like it, but the weight gain?? damn that is so disappointing, cause without that side effect it would be the gold standard, no lie!
Have you tried the zyprexa injection 10mg instant release?
We get that in sweden for those who can't tolerate other AP. It's fantastic, it takes away paranoia like nothing else and give you almost euphoria, completely different from the pills.
We get 10 + 10 + 10 in one day at the highest if you are really paranoid, and it's so good.
I miss that medication a little, sometimes i think i need it but my psychiatrist says i don't, and i have to be strong cause my life is good now, and unfortunately AP's makes me very lazy and i don't know if i have told you about that i'm for real "allergic" to them cause i get Oculogyric crisis from everyone, including weak ones like promethazine..
Oh i hate that...
Sorry for hijacking your thread, i feel like my mind is racing...
Maybe i should try a very low dose zyprexa to sleep, like 5mg and no more?
What do you think?
Klonopin 2mg takes away that side effect so maybe i will ask my pdoc about it, i don't know...
What effects do you have from nardil?
Do you have depression, social anxiety, OCD or what?
Posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 14:25:14
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 13:27:26
> I agree, olanzapine is my absolute favourite AP to. It's like nothing else due to it's calming effects.
>
> When i was in the locked psych ward often (5-2 years ago) i would say that zyprexa is the only thing that they can give me or else i will go home. I really like it, but the weight gain?? damn that is so disappointing, cause without that side effect it would be the gold standard, no lie!This is so true...without the weight gain I'd probably want it even if I didn't "need" it. Sometimes if I'm really spazzing out I prefer it over benzos. It just chills me right out.
>
> Have you tried the zyprexa injection 10mg instant release?No didn't even know there was one. Does it eliminate the hunger/weight gain? Is there a 5mg injection?
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> We get that in sweden for those who can't tolerate other AP. It's fantastic, it takes away paranoia like nothing else and give you almost euphoria, completely different from the pills.I want one !!!
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> We get 10 + 10 + 10 in one day at the highest if you are really paranoid, and it's so good.
>
> I miss that medication a little, sometimes i think i need it but my psychiatrist says i don't, and i have to be strong cause my life is good now, and unfortunately AP's makes me very lazyI have to say I think Zyprexa does rob me of some energy...
> and i don't know if i have told you about that i'm for real "allergic" to them cause i get Oculogyric crisis from everyone, including weak ones like promethazine..
What is Oculogyric crisis?
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> Oh i hate that...
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> Sorry for hijacking your thread, i feel like my mind is racing...Are you kidding? Your not hijacking anything youre the only one responding lol. Besides Zyprexa is an interesting topic for me.
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> Maybe i should try a very low dose zyprexa to sleep, like 5mg and no more?Do you have bad insomnia? If so, it works great for that, at least for me. It wouldn't be worth the weight gain for me though. If that's not an issue for you and it doesn't cause too much next day fatigue, I'd go for it. A pdoc may disagree.
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> What do you think?
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> Klonopin 2mg takes away that side effect so maybe i will ask my pdoc about it, i don't know...Which side effect does klonopin take away for you? I take .5mg klon 3xday.
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>
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> What effects do you have from nardil?
> Do you have depression, social anxiety, OCD or what?I suffer from depression and social anxiety. Honestly I think a lot of my social anxiety comes from Zyprexa weight gain and fear that my depression is obvious.. I know... go on a diet. If you've been on Zyprexa you probably know that doesn't work :(
Effects from Nardil ...when I got to 60mg (1st time) I really felt a reduction in my depression. I loved waking up in the morning early. I crave it now even though it does less for depression than before and little overall for anxiety. I have some cognitive difficulties.
Ugh!!! Its better than I'm making it sound!
I'd love to hear more about your experience with and knowledge of Zyprexa. Any ideas as to how to keep it but eliminate the weight gain?
if I wasn't clear about Nardil effects etc. feel free to ask. As I said my brain isn't 100%.
Jade
Posted by SLS on July 16, 2016, at 14:32:44
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 13:27:26
> When i was in the locked psych ward often (5-2 years ago) i would say that zyprexa is the only thing that they can give me or else i will go home. I really like it, but the weight gain?? damn that is so disappointing, cause without that side effect it would be the gold standard, no lie!
Agreed.
- Scott
Posted by Horse on July 16, 2016, at 16:07:49
In reply to Nardil Update, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 8:42:50
Glad you're back on track with Nardil. I've discontinued all my meds, too, and, yeah, I hear you. I still need to talk myself down from that one from time to time :)
So are you saying Nardil hasn't helped your social anxiety much? Lyrica helps a bit, but not tons. I need to take enough to not give a f*ck, but then I'm too impaired to trust my driving.
Thanks for the update.
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:42:07
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » jonhed, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 14:25:14
"I suffer from depression and social anxiety. Honestly I think a lot of my social anxiety comes from Zyprexa weight gain and fear that my depression is obvious.. I know... go on a diet. If you've been on Zyprexa you probably know that doesn't work :(
Effects from Nardil ...when I got to 60mg (1st time) I really felt a reduction in my depression. I loved waking up in the morning early. I crave it now even though it does less for depression than before and little overall for anxiety. I have some cognitive difficulties.
Ugh!!! Its better than I'm making it sound!
I'd love to hear more about your experience with and knowledge of Zyprexa. Any ideas as to how to keep it but eliminate the weight gain?"
That is a very emotional topic for me as i had the exact same problem...I hate to hear that other have to go through it to, the weight gain and the social anxiety and self hatred that comes with it..
When i stopped zyprexa (and all the AP's, please don't do it because it write this.) i lost 25kg (55 pounds) in 12 month, and before i started i was 25kg lighter, so now i'm on my normal weight.
I just had to do it because my body did not like the fast weight gain. So i've been struggling hard to manage without any AP's for 2 years now.
I've been lucky, very lucky.
Now adays i have a hard time gaining weight cause of my current regimen.
And to your question about the IM-version:
1. No, it doesn't come in 5mg, but 0.5ml is 5mg so that is not an issue.
2. It is a license medicine that are used ONLY in the "locked" psychiatry when there are emergencies (not like zypadera, the long acting olanzapine).
3. It is just safe to use the IM version for 3 days, then the doctor need to evaluate and weigh the benefits over the, whatever it's called in english.
I have read some reports about some substance that depletes the weight gain on zyprexa, but i don't remember what it was.
I will search for it though and post as soon as possible, cause it is a fantastic substance. Superior to all the other AP's, in my opinion.And yeah, sometimes i like it over benzos to, and that comes from an former addict ;-)
I think that you need to add an anorectic to it to take away the weight gain, and that will outdo the good effects from olanzapine so it's not an option.
Some research about flouxetine is done, when you're taking nardil that is neither an option.
And do not stop with nardil cause it's superior to prozac.
But with 5mg, if you can manage that, and stop eating sugar, i will say that you wont gain any weight.
I have education even if i have been abusing most of my life, but one year i was clean and became a chef with a special interest in nutrition.
If you want i can give you some easy tips that doesn't make your life miserable (like a strict diet, i don't believe in those).
Maybe you can be on 7.5mg to, that is not so much anyway.
But that is only if you want some tips, or else i will not force it on you!
But sugar is the problem. I say that you can eat whatever you want if you skip sugar and don't gain weight.
And not aspartame and light products either, cause they raise the blood sugar level as well.With zyprexa messing with the blood sugar it's important to eat correct, and that doesn't mean strict.
Cause i know people who take olanzapine long acting IM (zypadera) who not gain any weight at all, and that is because they don't eat sugar.
Oh i wish i could have some golden answer, then i will be on zyprexa the first thing by monday to. But i don't have that...
It's night time in sweden now and i will gladly continue the conversation about zyprexa tomorrow, and maybe we can come up with some things together that will help both of us?
Anyway i will give my tip about memantine as an adjunctant to the olanzapine, cause memantine is taking away my hunger but not in a bad way, i can eat and all, but i don't crave carbs on it. That's what i have noticed.And there is a lot of research about combining the two to help with the cognitive part, cause i get more energy from it and do not feel sedated at all - and not in a speedy way. Not at all like amphetamine or ritalin, it's something else.
I may try 5mg of zyprexa and see if that will do any good and if it not causes any weight gain on me, it would prove my thesis that memantine can stop it.
Talk to you tomorrow! I look forward to it.
And please, tell me if you feel some synergy between klonopin and zyprexa, cause i think it should do good together.
Have memantine in mind for the cognitive difficulties you feel, cause it's not contraindicated for MAOI's. And has done wonders for my cognition (even my mom, pdoc, psychologist and some friends can see the difference now and before i started with it. But as with everything, it's not for every one.)
Kind regards / J
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:54:27
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » jonhed, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 14:25:14
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0104160
Maybe this could be it?
I will take it with my doctor the next time we meet (in about 1-2 weeks), cause betahistine is really easy to get, and if it could reduce over 50% of the weight gain, then with the right diet it would not increase weight at all.
I promise that i'm gonna take this with my pdoc, she's a professor to so she likes new ideas.
Oh, now i have to sleep.
Talk to you later!
Posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 18:04:09
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:54:27
I feel sad.. I don't know why i think that i can take olanzapine.
I just need it so bad but i have the hypersensitivity to it, and that's chronic i think........
Now i feel really sad that i tricked myself again thinking that i could tolerate AP's, i've tried so many times that i can't even remember how many it is, and always the same outcome.
F**ing hate this.
Will talk to you in the morning and share some more information, cause i would like to help out cause i know so much about how olanzapine work that i can help you if you have some questions.
Just ask me and i will answer.
Posted by Chris O on July 17, 2016, at 3:28:35
In reply to Nardil Update, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 8:42:50
Glad it's still working, Jade, despite the setback. Hats off to you for sticking with it. Let's hope that 60mg Nardil + 7.5 Zyprexa leads to eternal stability and accomplishment!
Chris
Posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 4:27:06
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » J Kelly, posted by Horse on July 16, 2016, at 16:07:49
> Glad you're back on track with Nardil. I've discontinued all my meds, too, and, yeah, I hear you. I still need to talk myself down from that one from time to time :)
Thanks Horse, why cant it ever be easy :-(
>
> So are you saying Nardil hasn't helped your social anxiety much? Lyrica helps a bit, but not tons. I need to take enough to not give a f*ck, but then I'm too impaired to trust my driving.I think my weight is causing most of my social anxiety at this point. I've never been over weight before Zyprexa. When I stopped it for a couple/few months last Fall the weight couldn't fall off me fast enough. My family was concerned I was too thin. Then Zyprexa again, ugh. What to do...
I'm glad you've made it to "med-free". Please keep us posted as to how you do :)
>
> Thanks for the update.Jade
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 4:57:05
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » Horse, posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 4:27:06
I have a tip for you with the klonopin to, a thing that could be good for your social anxiety.
You say that you take 0.5 3 times a day?
Why not take 1.5 before you go to do something that's hard for you cause of you SA?
I take 2mg at 19.00 (7 pm i think, the evening anyway), and it has acute effects that take away SA completely for some hours (maybe 3 hours), and the half life of it makes it a good pill to just take once a day.
Sometimes the body needs a quick raise in serum levels to get the effects, and if i took my 2mg divided in 4, i think it wouldn't do any difference for my SA.
Just a thought.
Posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 5:00:31
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:42:07
> "I suffer from depression and social anxiety. Honestly I think a lot of my social anxiety comes from Zyprexa weight gain and fear that my depression is obvious.. I know... go on a diet. If you've been on Zyprexa you probably know that doesn't work :(
>
> Effects from Nardil ...when I got to 60mg (1st time) I really felt a reduction in my depression. I loved waking up in the morning early. I crave it now even though it does less for depression than before and little overall for anxiety. I have some cognitive difficulties.
>
> Ugh!!! Its better than I'm making it sound!
>
> I'd love to hear more about your experience with and knowledge of Zyprexa. Any ideas as to how to keep it but eliminate the weight gain?"
>
>
> That is a very emotional topic for me as i had the exact same problem...
>
> I hate to hear that other have to go through it to, the weight gain and the social anxiety and self hatred that comes with it..Believe me you're not alone!
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> When i stopped zyprexa (and all the AP's, please don't do it because it write this.) i lost 25kg (55 pounds) in 12 month, and before i started i was 25kg lighter, so now i'm on my normal weight.Same happened to me.
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> I just had to do it because my body did not like the fast weight gain. So i've been struggling hard to manage without any AP's for 2 years now.Wow, that's great!
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> I've been lucky, very lucky.
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> Now adays i have a hard time gaining weight cause of my current regimen.I'm jealous!
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> And to your question about the IM-version:
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> 1. No, it doesn't come in 5mg, but 0.5ml is 5mg so that is not an issue.
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> 2. It is a license medicine that are used ONLY in the "locked" psychiatry when there are emergencies (not like zypadera, the long acting olanzapine).
>
> 3. It is just safe to use the IM version for 3 days, then the doctor need to evaluate and weigh the benefits over the, whatever it's called in english.
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> I have read some reports about some substance that depletes the weight gain on zyprexa, but i don't remember what it was.
> I will search for it though and post as soon as possible, cause it is a fantastic substance. Superior to all the other AP's, in my opinion.
>
> And yeah, sometimes i like it over benzos to, and that comes from an former addict ;-)
>
> I think that you need to add an anorectic to it to take away the weight gain, and that will outdo the good effects from olanzapine so it's not an option.
>
> Some research about flouxetine is done, when you're taking nardil that is neither an option.
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> And do not stop with nardil cause it's superior to prozac.
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> But with 5mg, if you can manage that, and stop eating sugar, i will say that you wont gain any weight.Too late :( I gained 40 lbs since Feb. I can manage with 5mg of Zyprexa I think, its the sugar I think. My therapist says the same thing. No sugar.
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> I have education even if i have been abusing most of my life, but one year i was clean and became a chef with a special interest in nutrition.Wow that's really cool!! Has it helped you a lot? Even while on meds?
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> If you want i can give you some easy tips that doesn't make your life miserable (like a strict diet, i don't believe in those).Yes, I would love some easy tips. Send em my way!
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> Maybe you can be on 7.5mg to, that is not so much anyway.
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> But that is only if you want some tips, or else i will not force it on you!
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> But sugar is the problem. I say that you can eat whatever you want if you skip sugar and don't gain weight.
> And not aspartame and light products either, cause they raise the blood sugar level as well.What about Stevia/Truvia? My niece sent me a jar, I love it.
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> With zyprexa messing with the blood sugar it's important to eat correct, and that doesn't mean strict.
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> Cause i know people who take olanzapine long acting IM (zypadera) who not gain any weight at all, and that is because they don't eat sugar.
>
> Oh i wish i could have some golden answer, then i will be on zyprexa the first thing by monday to. But i don't have that...
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> It's night time in sweden now and i will gladly continue the conversation about zyprexa tomorrow, and maybe we can come up with some things together that will help both of us?
>
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> Anyway i will give my tip about memantine as an adjunctant to the olanzapine, cause memantine is taking away my hunger but not in a bad way, i can eat and all, but i don't crave carbs on it. That's what i have noticed.I will definitely be following up on your tip about memantine. I'm very curious. People are reading your journal by the way :) I think no one wants to interrupt your flow (is my guess) so keep going!
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> And there is a lot of research about combining the two to help with the cognitive part, cause i get more energy from it and do not feel sedated at all - and not in a speedy way. Not at all like amphetamine or ritalin, it's something else.
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> I may try 5mg of zyprexa and see if that will do any good and if it not causes any weight gain on me, it would prove my thesis that memantine can stop it.Maybe I will try memantine (up to my pdoc) I can be your guinea pig!
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> Talk to you tomorrow! I look forward to it.
>
> And please, tell me if you feel some synergy between klonopin and zyprexa, cause i think it should do good together.Yes, I like klonopin and Zyprexa together. I've been on those two together for a long time, mostly 5mg Z and 1.5mg per day klon. They did not work as well as my new cocktail which includes Nardil.
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> Have memantine in mind for the cognitive difficulties you feel, cause it's not contraindicated for MAOI's. And has done wonders for my cognition (even my mom, pdoc, psychologist and some friends can see the difference now and before i started with it. But as with everything, it's not for every one.)It sounds great cause my brain isn't working anywhere near full speed. Maybe its obvious, I don't know.
Thanks J, I appreciate your thoughtful posts :)
Jade
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> Kind regards / J
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Posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 5:09:10
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 17:54:27
> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0104160
>
> Maybe this could be it?
>
> I will take it with my doctor the next time we meet (in about 1-2 weeks), cause betahistine is really easy to get, and if it could reduce over 50% of the weight gain, then with the right diet it would not increase weight at all.
>
> I promise that i'm gonna take this with my pdoc, she's a professor to so she likes new ideas.Yes, please let me know what you find out!
>
> Oh, now i have to sleep.
>
> Talk to you later!
Posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 5:15:24
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 16, 2016, at 18:04:09
> I feel sad.. I don't know why i think that i can take olanzapine.
> I just need it so bad but i have the hypersensitivity to it, and that's chronic i think...
>
> .....
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> Now i feel really sad that i tricked myself again thinking that i could tolerate AP's, i've tried so many times that i can't even remember how many it is, and always the same outcome.
>
> F**ing hate this.I'm sorry you feel/felt sad :(
You cant take A/P's because of an allergy?>
> Will talk to you in the morning and share some more information, cause i would like to help out cause i know so much about how olanzapine work that i can help you if you have some questions.
>
> Just ask me and i will answer.Thanks :) You are very generous with your time and knowledge.
Jade
Posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 5:21:05
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » J Kelly, posted by Chris O on July 17, 2016, at 3:28:35
> Glad it's still working, Jade, despite the setback. Hats off to you for sticking with it. Let's hope that 60mg Nardil + 7.5 Zyprexa leads to eternal stability and accomplishment!
>
> ChrisHi Chris,
Thanks for the kind words :) I'm hoping AND praying. I'm not yet where I want to be but I have a good feeling about Nardil (despite the setback).
How are you?
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 14:16:35
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » jonhed, posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 5:00:31
(i answer all in one)
Not an allergy, it's called hypersensitivity and some people develop it, sadly i did.
I get that dystonia reaction in my eyes (Oculogyric crisis) from every AP, but am willing to try 2.5mg zyprexa with memantine and see if it could work anyway.
I know that klonopin helps alot with the anxiety that is related to that sort of reaction and the trauma i was going trough when i was in a locked psychiatric ward and the doctors let me have that reaction for 6 month, made me believe i was psychotic.
Turns out later that i wasn't and it became a case for the health department in sweden. (this is true.)I believe that stevia is better than sugar yes, but be moderate with it anyway, that's my opinion.
But yeah, it's better for sure.My education in nutrition has helped me a lot, but you know when the anhedonia sets in, you can't manage to think in those patterns and be healthy when it's a challange to just be alive..
And no, i don't think that your brain seems to work bad, i like your posts :-)
Oh, people actually reads it? That makes me happy, i'm gonna write one tonight as i'm upping the dose but is unsure about if i'm going to fast.
When are your next apointment with your pdoc?
I'm a little worried about trying an AP again, but if my pdoc can up my klonopin 1mg i will consider it for real. I get very anxious about them medicines. That i think everyone knows by now.
I like talking to people here about medicines, cause i have read about substances since i was 12 years old, it has always fascinated me.
And i think i'm pretty good at it to, and i believe that everyone in this forum is very educated in their own way when it comes to medications.
That's what makes babble the best forum for this sort of discussion, cause everyone here want to learn something i suppose.I will too keep you updated on how it goes with my plan to dare to try an AP again.
Memantine is a Dopamine agonist and that should, theorethically, reduce all the EPS.
Kind regards / J
Posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 14:31:37
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 14:16:35
> I will too keep you updated on how it goes with my plan to dare to try an AP again.
>
> Memantine is a Dopamine agonist and that should, theorethically, reduce all the EPS.Good luck.
If you discover that memantine prevents EPS, everyone here would want to know - including me.
:-)
Take care.
- Scott
Posted by jonhed on July 17, 2016, at 15:24:07
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » jonhed, posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 14:31:37
Yeah, i hope you all know this is just me theorizing about things just now.
But if i try olanzapine again and it doesn't give me any EPS, that should be a little proof of it working, so then i let you know :-)
I got sifrol (Pramipexole) for EPS, mostly RSL but it worked, and it is also a D2-agonist so that's why i think that maybe it will work!
We'll see :-D
(hope you weren't ironical, but i don't think so)
and i will update my journal before i go to bed as i did up my dose now to 20mg today day 18.
And i have some interesting things to tell you all!Love / J
Posted by Horse on July 17, 2016, at 16:48:00
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » Horse, posted by J Kelly on July 17, 2016, at 4:27:06
Oh no, I'm not med free, far from it! I wasn't very clear. I meant I've decided something such and such reason and either quit all meds or something essential. Right now I'm on a quite a few meds to keep me afloat. I'm doing ok, but I was sick for a long time, and I don't know if full recovery is possible, or if recovery is taking a long long time.
Every time I've discontinued upruptly and on my own, I've regretted it. Sometimes the same meds don't work as well or it takes a long time to climb up again.
Back when I was very sick, and my doctor reccomended ect, I don't know why he didn't recommend a maoi (esp given my symptoms) or someone drag my ass to a different doctor.
> > Glad you're back on track with Nardil. I've discontinued all my meds, too, and, yeah, I hear you. I still need to talk myself down from that one from time to time :)
>
> Thanks Horse, why cant it ever be easy :-(
>
> >
> > So are you saying Nardil hasn't helped your social anxiety much? Lyrica helps a bit, but not tons. I need to take enough to not give a f*ck, but then I'm too impaired to trust my driving.
>
> I think my weight is causing most of my social anxiety at this point. I've never been over weight before Zyprexa. When I stopped it for a couple/few months last Fall the weight couldn't fall off me fast enough. My family was concerned I was too thin. Then Zyprexa again, ugh. What to do...
>
> I'm glad you've made it to "med-free". Please keep us posted as to how you do :)
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> >
> > Thanks for the update.
>
> Jade
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Posted by Horse on July 17, 2016, at 16:49:49
In reply to Nardil Update, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 8:42:50
PS and btw, I'm a lifer. Meds are forever. I've learnt my lesson ;)
Posted by SLS on July 17, 2016, at 18:42:09
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » J Kelly, posted by Horse on July 17, 2016, at 16:49:49
> PS and btw, I'm a lifer. Meds are forever. I've learnt my lesson ;)
Me, too...
at least until they find some way to manipulate gene expression.
- Scott
Posted by Escapee on August 1, 2016, at 13:34:03
In reply to Nardil Update, posted by J Kelly on July 16, 2016, at 8:42:50
> "I'm doing pretty well, thanks for asking. Two weeks ago my pdoc raised me to 90mg Nardil and I had a nasty reaction and ended up in the hospital. Surprising even myself I'm back on it at 60mg and will probably go up to 75mg in a few weeks. I will closely monitor my Zyprexa along with my symptoms. Nardil works too well for me to ditch it at this point."
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> Nardil was treating me very well until I got to 90mg. At 60mg I started to really feel its benefits. By 75mg all s/e's had just about disappeared, my depression was almost gone, anxiety much improved.
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> Surprisingly my pdoc upped me by phone to 90mg via a receptionist. I was greedy and took it. Within 2-3 days on 90mg I suddenly couldn't form a sentence. I kept falling and breaking stuff. Everything was funny towards the end of this.
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> Long/short, I stopped all meds, became severely depressed, and within a week I was back on 45mg of Nardil. I'm now at 60mg Nardil, along with 7.5mg Zyprexa and 1.5 Klonopin and feeling much improved and stable.
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> I guess the lesson is go slow and steady, and take a decent amount of antipsychotic (if you are pre-disposed as I am). Stop when you feel you are at your baseline, which I was at 75mg.
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> Ps- I noted a poster above shared that his eyes got really squinty and his pupils became very large (I thought I was the only one) I wonder what that's about.
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> Jade
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Umm...Zyprexa. Why do you take it? I mean if its ESSENTIAL the so be it. But how do u know it isn't interfering with the Nardill? I start Nardil soon, after stopping ALL but clonazepam (from anxiety). Even that will go once Nardil's anxiolitic effects take ahold.
If it worked at 60, why on earth increase??? Your not leaving yourself any leeway for the future!Escapee
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 3, 2016, at 7:29:05
In reply to Re: Nardil Update » J Kelly, posted by Escapee on August 1, 2016, at 13:34:03
SHe has a history of Parnate-psychosis
Posted by Escapee on August 3, 2016, at 14:40:43
In reply to Re: Nardil Update, posted by Lamdage22 on August 3, 2016, at 7:29:05
> She has a history of Parnate-psychosis
But that's med-induced. No difference to amphetamine or LSD psychosis. Neither mean u have any organic psychosis issues.
Also, if Parnate produced psychosis issues, why on earth race ahead with another MAOI? Asking for trouble. Nardil is not Parnate! And we all know that Parnate can lead to a stimulant action at least to begin with. Why take any kind of stimulant whilst on an antipsychotic which is keeping psychosis at bay, or if u have psychosis?
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