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Posted by Christ_empowered on May 3, 2016, at 13:05:43
In reply to Nardil Update...YES, posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 11:59:34
I'm so happy for you! I don't know anything about MAOIs, so...I'll just pray it keeps your mood up where you need it to be for the long haul.
I did do a little search, and it seems that MAOI drugs can be augmented w/ additional agents. Not ideal, I guess, but even if you did lose some effectiveness, your doc could add something to bring it back.
Good luck!
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 3, 2016, at 14:55:29
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Christ_empowered on May 3, 2016, at 13:05:43
Hey Jade, thats great.
Do you think that the 5mg Zyprexa is sufficient?
Im gonna pick up my Viibryd tomorrow.
Posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 15:26:44
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Christ_empowered on May 3, 2016, at 13:05:43
> I'm so happy for you! I don't know anything about MAOIs, so...I'll just pray it keeps your mood up where you need it to be for the long haul.
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> I did do a little search, and it seems that MAOI drugs can be augmented w/ additional agents. Not ideal, I guess, but even if you did lose some effectiveness, your doc could add something to bring it back.
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> Good luck!Thanks :)
In addition to Nardil, I take Zyprexa and klonopin. I've read that klonopin works synergistically with Nardil. I'm hoping I won't have to add anything else. Some docs will prescribe tca's and stimulants with MAOI's.
Jade
Posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 15:40:07
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Lamdage22 on May 3, 2016, at 14:55:29
> Hey Jade, thats great.
Thanks :)
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> Do you think that the 5mg Zyprexa is sufficient?I think so and my pdoc agrees. I see my therapist weekly and she will be watching me closely as will my family.
I really don't want to go up to 10mg Zyprexa. Others I would consider adding if necessary are perphenizine, Rexulti, and Saphris. I like Rexulti as its shown to be less prone to cognitive difficulties and akathisia as compared to Abilify.
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> Im gonna pick up my Viibryd tomorrow.Hey good luck with that! Will you be replacing the Effexor then?
Have you given any more thought as to how to treat your eve paranoia?
Jade
Posted by Tabitha on May 3, 2016, at 17:23:22
In reply to Nardil Update...YES, posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 11:59:34
I'm so glad to hear this. Are you finding the dietary restrictions to be much of a hassle?
Posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 22:55:24
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » J Kelly, posted by Tabitha on May 3, 2016, at 17:23:22
> I'm so glad to hear this. Are you finding the dietary restrictions to be much of a hassle?
No. I was spazzing out the first week or two because my bp was fluctuating and it was causing uncomfortable side effects. That appears to be completely gone and was probably just due to start up of the med.
Thanks :)
Jade
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 4, 2016, at 6:31:04
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » Lamdage22, posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 15:40:07
> > Hey Jade, thats great.
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> Thanks :)
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> >
> > Do you think that the 5mg Zyprexa is sufficient?
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> I think so and my pdoc agrees. I see my therapist weekly and she will be watching me closely as will my family.Thats perfect.
> I really don't want to go up to 10mg Zyprexa. Others I would consider adding if necessary are perphenizine, Rexulti, and Saphris. I like Rexulti as its shown to be less prone to cognitive difficulties and akathisia as compared to Abilify.
I would encourage you to do that. Maybe even replace Zyprexa if possible. Zyprexa is bad metabolically although you could counteract it with Metformin. Maybe you can take Metformin AND change to one of the APs you mentioned. Speaking from the metabolic perspective, that would be best. But i would first see that you somewaht stabilize on Nardil before you make further changes.
> > Im gonna pick up my Viibryd tomorrow.
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> Hey good luck with that! Will you be replacing the Effexor then?Thanks. If it works, yes. There is also a possibility that i will be taking both at low doses.
> Have you given any more thought as to how to treat your eve paranoia?
No i will have to give my brain time to adapt. I dont think its permanent. I can take it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 4, 2016, at 6:33:04
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Lamdage22 on May 4, 2016, at 6:31:04
Do you experience more carbohydrate cravings on Nardil than with Zyprexa alone?
Posted by J Kelly on May 5, 2016, at 13:26:40
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Lamdage22 on May 4, 2016, at 6:33:04
> Do you experience more carbohydrate cravings on Nardil than with Zyprexa alone?
No. Its strange. Not only am I not craving more carbs but my appetite is not so crazy. I'm actually sticking to my diet without much trouble at all.
> I really don't want to go up to 10mg Zyprexa. Others I would consider adding if necessary are perphenizine, Rexulti, and Saphris. I like Rexulti as its shown to be less prone to cognitive difficulties and akathisia as compared to Abilify.
> I would encourage you to do that. Maybe even replace Zyprexa if possible. Zyprexa is bad metabolically although you could counteract it with Metformin. Maybe you can take Metformin AND change to one of the APs you mentioned. Speaking from the metabolic perspective, that would be best. But i would first see that you somewaht stabilize on Nardil before you make further changes.
I'd like to try another AP that doesn't cause weight gain, but as you said I need to stabilize on Nardil first. And if my appetite stays where it's at I'll probably just stay on 5mg Zyprexa for the duration. If it ain't broke, right? As for metformin, my pdoc wont prescribe it. I asked and he said its for patients with diabetes. I'm not going to change his mind, believe me.
Jade
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 1:56:36
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » Lamdage22, posted by J Kelly on May 5, 2016, at 13:26:40
that sounds good
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 4:33:10
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 1:56:36
you are lucky. It could have turned out like it did for me. An AD doesnt help when it just replaces depression with psychosis. At all.
Stay vigilant though.
Posted by J Kelly on May 6, 2016, at 5:03:22
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 4:33:10
> you are lucky. It could have turned out like it did for me. An AD doesnt help when it just replaces depression with psychosis. At all.
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> Stay vigilant though.I know I do feel lucky. But I'm gonna stay away from high doses and stay on the Zyprexa and I think that will cover me.
I'm not feeling as "fabulous" as I was and my therapist agrees that I am not euphoric or manic. So that's good. What I am feeling is a general sense of well being through out most of the day with some pretty bad afternoon fatigue. I can take it :)
Jade
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 6:57:08
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by J Kelly on May 6, 2016, at 5:03:22
So what are you doing now that you feel better? Hobbies, Job?
I dont recall your age.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2016, at 7:41:59
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by J Kelly on May 6, 2016, at 5:03:22
> > you are lucky. It could have turned out like it did for me. An AD doesnt help when it just replaces depression with psychosis. At all.
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> > Stay vigilant though.
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> I know I do feel lucky. But I'm gonna stay away from high doses and stay on the Zyprexa and I think that will cover me.
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> I'm not feeling as "fabulous" as I was and my therapist agrees that I am not euphoric or manic. So that's good. What I am feeling is a general sense of well being through out most of the day with some pretty bad afternoon fatigue. I can take it :)
>
> Jade
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster writes,[...I am feeling a general sense of well-being...].
This could entice you to think of drugging your child or yourself or someone you care for in collaboration with a psychiatrist. But the poster does not tell you that the combination of the drugs could induce death, addiction and life-ruining conditions.
You see, all drugs have the potential at the start to induce some type of response that could elevate your mood. For thousands of years people have taken all kinds of things at the start they could get some euphoria and that is the hook that keeps them trying to find that euphoria again. And while they are searching for that kick again, they could die somewhere along the way , or become addicted or receive a life-ruining condition. The search could become finding death at the end.
In this case, the poster takes a combination of drugs that could cause death because the combination increases the adverse effects exponentially. This death could be from that the drugs attack the central nervous system and could attack the heart or respiratory mechanism to cause death or the thinking of the person could become so impaired that they do not know what they are doing and walk in front of a speeding train or jump off a building or do something so reckless as to be killed in any numerous ways by not knowing what they are doing. They could even kill others thinking that people are not humans, but targets to shoot.
This is all allowed here by a psychiatrist that allows others to encourage others to take these drugs which are not medicines because they do not treat a disease and do not cure anything. They are chemical nerve agents used in rat poison, insecticides and other poisons and used in the commission of mass-murder. Could not those here that promote these concoctions of death be deemed to be trolls as they accuse me of , as one that ids trying to save lives? Who are really the trolls?
You see, not knowing the whole truth could deceive you to think that these drugs being promoted here are safer than they really are. The FDA has rules for advertising drugs that are not abided by here and I do not know why Mr. Hsiung is allowed to use others to promote these mind-altering drugs here that kill thousands of innocent people each and every month. And do you want to start drugging your child with these drugs in collaboration with a psychiatrist that is immune from any liability if your child dies from their drugs? What a farce. Arise, get the whole truth before you drug yourself or your child.
You can read it in the morning papers, hear it on the radio, drugs are killing our children, these drugs really need to go. We need a good old case of accountability, to put the truth back into our souls, we need a whole lot more of Breggin, and lot less from these trolls.
Lou
Posted by J Kelly on May 6, 2016, at 9:47:21
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 6:57:08
> So what are you doing now that you feel better? Hobbies, Job?
Well, I'm working part time and exercising most days. I need to work on getting back to my hobbies (photography, reading , etc.) My social life leaves much to be desired. I do spend a good amount of time with family so there's that. If one more person tells me I should join a dating site someone is going to get hurt lol.
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> I dont recall your age.Really. That's because I never gave it to you :)
Suffice it to say I'm much older than you are.Jade
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2016, at 10:10:36
In reply to Lou's warning-e need a whole lot more of Breggin » J Kelly, posted by Lou Pilder on May 6, 2016, at 7:41:59
> > > you are lucky. It could have turned out like it did for me. An AD doesnt help when it just replaces depression with psychosis. At all.
> > >
> > > Stay vigilant though.
> >
> > I know I do feel lucky. But I'm gonna stay away from high doses and stay on the Zyprexa and I think that will cover me.
> >
> > I'm not feeling as "fabulous" as I was and my therapist agrees that I am not euphoric or manic. So that's good. What I am feeling is a general sense of well being through out most of the day with some pretty bad afternoon fatigue. I can take it :)
> >
> > Jade
> >
> > Friends,
> Be not deceived. The poster writes,[...I am feeling a general sense of well-being...].
> This could entice you to think of drugging your child or yourself or someone you care for in collaboration with a psychiatrist. But the poster does not tell you that the combination of the drugs could induce death, addiction and life-ruining conditions.
> You see, all drugs have the potential at the start to induce some type of response that could elevate your mood. For thousands of years people have taken all kinds of things at the start they could get some euphoria and that is the hook that keeps them trying to find that euphoria again. And while they are searching for that kick again, they could die somewhere along the way , or become addicted or receive a life-ruining condition. The search could become finding death at the end.
> In this case, the poster takes a combination of drugs that could cause death because the combination increases the adverse effects exponentially. This death could be from that the drugs attack the central nervous system and could attack the heart or respiratory mechanism to cause death or the thinking of the person could become so impaired that they do not know what they are doing and walk in front of a speeding train or jump off a building or do something so reckless as to be killed in any numerous ways by not knowing what they are doing. They could even kill others thinking that people are not humans, but targets to shoot.
> This is all allowed here by a psychiatrist that allows others to encourage others to take these drugs which are not medicines because they do not treat a disease and do not cure anything. They are chemical nerve agents used in rat poison, insecticides and other poisons and used in the commission of mass-murder. Could not those here that promote these concoctions of death be deemed to be trolls as they accuse me of , as one that ids trying to save lives? Who are really the trolls?
> You see, not knowing the whole truth could deceive you to think that these drugs being promoted here are safer than they really are. The FDA has rules for advertising drugs that are not abided by here and I do not know why Mr. Hsiung is allowed to use others to promote these mind-altering drugs here that kill thousands of innocent people each and every month. And do you want to start drugging your child with these drugs in collaboration with a psychiatrist that is immune from any liability if your child dies from their drugs? What a farce. Arise, get the whole truth before you drug yourself or your child.
> You can read it in the morning papers, hear it on the radio, drugs are killing our children, these drugs really need to go. We need a good old case of accountability, to put the truth back into our souls, we need a whole lot more of Breggin, and lot less from these trolls.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. The slander against me being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive can lead you and your child, if you are drugging them in collaboration with a psychiatrist, to their lifetime of misery from addiction and life-ruining conditions from these drugs being allowed to be promoted here that could lead to death.
The deception comes from posters here being allowed to advance the taking of these drugs without the adverse consequences posted along with their promotion that could deceive you into thinking that these drugs are safer than they really are. And the fact that anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to be seen as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung where originally posted, could further turn you away from reading what I post here as Mr. Hsiung posts that he does not respond to me which could lead others to be persuaded by his example to also not respond to me. This type of stigmatization to me by him could poison minds of vulnerable readers further as he says that he does, or does not do, what will be good in his thinking for him and his community as a whole, which is the same logic that is used to justify slavery and infanticide and segregation and genocide.
If you think that you will be doing good for Mr. Hsiung and his community as a whole to ignore me, think as to why that has anything to do with your mental health. Judaism is allowed to be insulted by members here all condoned by Mr. Hsiung as that he allows it so that in his thinking he and his community will be improved. That could poison your mind to use me as a scapegoat for the real or imagined ills of this site. The tragedy here is that what I could say from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung for me to post here, while the foundation of hatred toward the Jews is allowed with impunity from the enforcement policy in Mr. Hsinf's TOS. That type of discrimination , which is an abuse of power, is not supportive by me, my friends, and I am trying to save your lives.
Here is a video by a doctor that knows a whole lot more than Scott, or anyone else here that thinks that they could be your advisor in taking these drugs.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxptgvqZ0YM
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2016, at 13:51:24
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » Lamdage22, posted by J Kelly on May 6, 2016, at 9:47:21
That sounds good. Enjoy
Posted by zonked on May 8, 2016, at 11:05:55
In reply to Nardil Update...YES, posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 11:59:34
Oh my god. Welcome to the Nardil club!!
I knew this would happen. CONGRATULATIONS!!!
<3 Zonked
> How should I say this....
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> I feel fabulous :)
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> Depression gone, only side effect is I crave caffeine and I can certainly live with that! Fluctuations in bp gone.
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> I know, I know. This is probably the "honeymoon" period everyone talks about. But if I feel half this good I'll run with it and get on with my life.
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> God please let this last. (prayers please)
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> Jade
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Posted by J Kelly on May 8, 2016, at 15:16:11
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » J Kelly, posted by zonked on May 8, 2016, at 11:05:55
> Oh my god. Welcome to the Nardil club!!
>
> I knew this would happen. CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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> <3 ZonkedHaha thank you Zonked :)
The relief from depression is indescribable. Its been over a month so I'm hoping what I'm feeling is a true antidepressant effect. I'm not manic or euphoric. Its difficult not to get my hopes up!!
Jade
Posted by Chris O on May 13, 2016, at 0:47:05
In reply to Nardil Update...YES, posted by J Kelly on May 3, 2016, at 11:59:34
That's awesome, Jade. Glad that Nardil is having that "this is what it feels like to be normal" feeling that many of us crave. Major prayers/positive vibes your way. I've Nardil in my bathroom cabinet at least there time but never took it. I should probably try. Hoping your good feelings last.
Chris
Posted by J Kelly on May 13, 2016, at 3:36:44
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » J Kelly, posted by Chris O on May 13, 2016, at 0:47:05
> That's awesome, Jade. Glad that Nardil is having that "this is what it feels like to be normal" feeling that many of us crave. Major prayers/positive vibes your way. I've Nardil in my bathroom cabinet at least there time but never took it. I should probably try. Hoping your good feelings last.
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> ChrisHi Chris,
I'm feeling SO much better! And the s/e's are not at all what I thought they'd be *for me*. I crave caffeine, that's it. Thanks for the prayers/vibes, so far Nardil is awesome :)
Jade
Posted by Chris O on May 13, 2016, at 8:29:16
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » Chris O, posted by J Kelly on May 13, 2016, at 3:36:44
That's awesome. Do you have any side effects at all? Have you eaten/drunk anything on that hypertensive tyramine list and/or is it hard to avoid those foods/drinks for you? (I guess you're going for it with the coffee; I'd have a hard time avoiding cheese and some fermented foods.)
I forgot, do you have strong anxiety symptoms, too? I think you mentioned you ran a business, so I'm guessing no. My main symptom is a powerful physicalized (in my body). It moves around; almost feels gone in the rare times I can get it ... to my toes. :) Yep, it happens.
Anyway, hats off to you.
Chris
Posted by J Kelly on May 13, 2016, at 13:00:19
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » J Kelly, posted by Chris O on May 13, 2016, at 8:29:16
Hey Chris,
> That's awesome. Do you have any side effects at all?
The only side effect (if you can call it that) is a strong craving for caffeine. I think that might be off-setting a mild fatigue which may or may not be due to Nardil.
> Have you eaten/drunk anything on that hypertensive tyramine list and/or is it hard to avoid those foods/drinks for you? (I guess you're going for it with the coffee; I'd have a hard time avoiding cheese and some fermented foods.)
The diet is just a non issue for me. There's not much you cant eat and the benefit SO FAR outweighs the restrictions. I drink caffeine all day long by the way.
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> I forgot, do you have strong anxiety symptoms, too? I think you mentioned you ran a business, so I'm guessing no.Yes I had strong anxiety. Sometimes mild panic attacks. Nardil has taken care of most of that and klonopin gets the rest.
My main symptom is a powerful physicalized (in my body). It moves around; almost feels gone in the rare times I can get it ... to my toes. :) Yep, it happens.
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> Anyway, hats off to you.
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> ChrisChris, if you are seriously depressed and seriously anxious I say reach up on to that shelf and get some Nardil ...you'll be glad you did (IMHO)
Jade :)
Posted by Chris O on May 13, 2016, at 13:51:58
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » Chris O, posted by J Kelly on May 13, 2016, at 13:00:19
"Chris, if you are seriously depressed and seriously anxious I say reach up on to that shelf and get some Nardil ...you'll be glad you did (IMHO)."
Good advice, Jade. I know Scott (among others) gave me the same feedback several times. It also sounds like the fact that this Nardil is generic, the "new Nardil" as some older posters call it, is not causing you any issues. That's good to know.
Chris
Posted by J Kelly on May 14, 2016, at 4:37:12
In reply to Re: Nardil Update...YES » J Kelly, posted by Chris O on May 13, 2016, at 13:51:58
> "Chris, if you are seriously depressed and seriously anxious I say reach up on to that shelf and get some Nardil ...you'll be glad you did (IMHO)."
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> Good advice, Jade. I know Scott (among others) gave me the same feedback several times. It also sounds like the fact that this Nardil is generic, the "new Nardil" as some older posters call it, is not causing you any issues. That's good to know.
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> ChrisNo issues at all. Zonked told me to get the Greenstone brand and I did (there's one other, I can find out for you if you want).
This is by far the best A/D I've ever tried and there's been many. I suppose I could still be in that "honeymoon phase" but its been 7 weeks so I kinda doubt it.
Any more questions just ask away :)
Jade
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