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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:08:48
Last time i visited my doc something strange happened. He actually said to my face; "im getting bored of this. Need something new. A change" !!!
I didnt reply. I couldnt. Next time i see him im gonna record the conversation.
Anyway, the last 2 apps with him he did nothing for me except give me beta blockers which I asked for. And they make me feel crap.
So, today I made a change with my isocarboxazid. I always thought that the med is weak. So I changed the dose myself from 110mg (already above the "suggested" dose) to 150mg !! And it worked😊
Here's my current dayly list:
Isocarboxazid 150mg
Amitriptyline 150mg
Quetiapine 250mg
Clonazepam 4mg
Bupropion 300mgI feel enlightened, interested in stuff that my depressed mind can't be bothered with.
It FEELS like my social anxiety is less, but I won't know for sure until I interact with people.
Quick note to the moaners and critics, I AM NOT ENCOURAGING ANYTHING.SIMPLY SHARING MY OWN EXPERIENCES. FOR ANYONE WHO FINDS IT INTERESTING.
so bog off 😆
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:12:31
In reply to MAOI dosage, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:08:48
Why arent my smilies showing?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 11:28:25
In reply to MAOI dosage, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:08:48
> Last time i visited my doc something strange happened. He actually said to my face; "im getting bored of this. Need something new. A change" !!!
> I didnt reply. I couldnt. Next time i see him im gonna record the conversation.
> Anyway, the last 2 apps with him he did nothing for me except give me beta blockers which I asked for. And they make me feel crap.
> So, today I made a change with my isocarboxazid. I always thought that the med is weak. So I changed the dose myself from 110mg (already above the "suggested" dose) to 150mg !! And it worked😊
> Here's my current dayly list:
> Isocarboxazid 150mg
> Amitriptyline 150mg
> Quetiapine 250mg
> Clonazepam 4mg
> Bupropion 300mg
>
> I feel enlightened, interested in stuff that my depressed mind can't be bothered with.
> It FEELS like my social anxiety is less, but I won't know for sure until I interact with people.
> Quick note to the moaners and critics, I AM NOT ENCOURAGING ANYTHING.SIMPLY SHARING MY OWN EXPERIENCES. FOR ANYONE WHO FINDS IT INTERESTING.
> so bog off 😆
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster writes that he/she feel enlightened after modifying a dosage of a drug while listing many other drugs in combination. The promotion that could be thought by a subset of readers of increasing the dosage of the drug could come at a high price that the poster does not disclose. This could lead you to think that the drugs are safer than they really are or that there is not a consequence at all in the taking of the drugs. The FDA has rules for advocating drugs that this site does not have to follow for some reason that is unbeknownst to me. For deaths could come from here as readers could think that since a psychiatrist chairs this site, that what is posted is supportive.
I do find it interesting that the poster lists the drugs that he/she takes and the owner/operator of the site allows it to be seen as being supportive. But I say to you that the same owner/operator has prohibitions to me that prevent me from posting information that could also be interesting that I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. I think that lives here matter and the blood of those killed here by being led to think that these drugs are safer than they really are will not be upon me.
Lou
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Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2016, at 11:49:07
In reply to MAOI dosage, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:08:48
that is huge cocktail.....60-80mg is the recommended dose for Marplan but i know there's doctors that work with patients but that dose is......incredibly high with wellbutrin and Amitriptyline on top of it
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 12:00:46
In reply to Lou's warning-their blood » Escapee, posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 11:28:25
> >
> > Friends,
> Be not deceived. The poster writes that he/she feel enlightened after modifying a dosage of a drug while listing many other drugs in combination. The promotion that could be thought by a subset of readers of increasing the dosage of the drug could come at a high price that the poster does not disclose. This could lead you to think that the drugs are safer than they really are or that there is not a consequence at all in the taking of the drugs. The FDA has rules for advocating drugs that this site does not have to follow for some reason that is unbeknownst to me. For deaths could come from here as readers could think that since a psychiatrist chairs this site, that what is posted is supportive.
> I do find it interesting that the poster lists the drugs that he/she takes and the owner/operator of the site allows it to be seen as being supportive. But I say to you that the same owner/operator has prohibitions to me that prevent me from posting information that could also be interesting that I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. I think that lives here matter and the blood of those killed here by being led to think that these drugs are safer than they really are will not be upon me.
> Lou
> >
> >
>
You again (sigh). So I'm a killer? Enlightenment does not mean HIGH! I NEVER SAID I AM GETTING HIGH. Enlightenment is the feeling a depressive may experience when the depression leaves to make way for normality.Now if u disagree so strongly that's fine. Just please don't hurl abuse at me Doc!
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 12:20:03
In reply to Re: MAOI dosage, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2016, at 11:49:07
> that is huge cocktail.....60-80mg is the recommended dose for Marplan but i know there's doctors that work with patients but that dose is......incredibly high with wellbutrin and Amitriptyline on top of it
>
>Yes i guess it is kinda alot. But ive been on these meds a good 10yrs now. My doc had me on 90mg for many yrs then more recent he increased it to 110. That did nothing.
What i write if fact. A true experience of my own and this is where i feel comfortable sharing my findings. Im in no way encouraging to copy me. I mean most people cannot obtain most of these meds anyway.
.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 12:25:52
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-their blood » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 12:00:46
>
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > Be not deceived. The poster writes that he/she feel enlightened after modifying a dosage of a drug while listing many other drugs in combination. The promotion that could be thought by a subset of readers of increasing the dosage of the drug could come at a high price that the poster does not disclose. This could lead you to think that the drugs are safer than they really are or that there is not a consequence at all in the taking of the drugs. The FDA has rules for advocating drugs that this site does not have to follow for some reason that is unbeknownst to me. For deaths could come from here as readers could think that since a psychiatrist chairs this site, that what is posted is supportive.
> > I do find it interesting that the poster lists the drugs that he/she takes and the owner/operator of the site allows it to be seen as being supportive. But I say to you that the same owner/operator has prohibitions to me that prevent me from posting information that could also be interesting that I think could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. I think that lives here matter and the blood of those killed here by being led to think that these drugs are safer than they really are will not be upon me.
> > Lou
> > >
> > >
> >
> You again (sigh). So I'm a killer? Enlightenment does not mean HIGH! I NEVER SAID I AM GETTING HIGH. Enlightenment is the feeling a depressive may experience when the depression leaves to make way for normality.
>
> Now if u disagree so strongly that's fine. Just please don't hurl abuse at me Doc!Es,
You wrote,[...You again,...so I'm a killer...don't hurl abuse at me Doc!...].
Those killed by the drugs by reading here could have had their lives saved if Mr. Hsiung or any deputy of record would have interceded with his own policies to not post what could not be supportive because support takes precedence where the taking of combinations of drugs could cause death, unless lives do not matter and promoting drugs that could cause death is being supportive.
You see, it could be thought by a subset of readers that you and Mr. Hsiung are in concert with each other as he allows you to post the taking of these drugs in combination and modify the dosage on your own. That action by you could be seen by readers as being supportive when death could be a result. It is not you that is a killer. The thousands of innocent people along with children that are killed each month by these drugs being promoted here as "medicines", is a result of a collusion between many entities that make it possible for billions of dollars to be made off these drugs that could cause life-ruining conditions, addiction and death. That has allowed you to be a possible victim of the industry that traffics in the drugs that profits from them that has a chain of people all getting their cut. You become a testimonial for them because you are promoting the drugs here with impunity and children reading could be killed by raising the dose on their own of the drugs that they are taking because they see that the doctor here is allowing you to post such without a warning. It is not you that could have the blood of innocent children on your hands, but those that profit from these drugs. I will try to stop you and Mr. Hsiung and any others here that are allowed to promote these drugs without also posting all of the adverse effects that could happen including death. For if the drugs are allowed to be seen as safer than they really are, then I think that those that allow such to be seen here, could have the blood of those killed by the drugs upon them.
Lou
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 12:36:57
In reply to Lou's reply-their blood upon who? » Escapee, posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 12:25:52
Did i read all that garbage? Did i hell! You bore me so time to move on. No sixth sence but i know when someone is trying to ridicule me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 12:49:06
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-their blood upon who? » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 12:36:57
> Did i read all that garbage? Did i hell! You bore me so time to move on. No sixth sence but i know when someone is trying to ridicule me.
Es,
You wrote,[...trying to ridicule me...].
I am not trying to ridicule you for I see you and others that are shackled by these drugs as victims of the greatest false advertising campaign in history. Greater than cigarette advertising. And the hundreds of millions killed by big tobacco will be eclipsed soon by big pharma as the adverting is increased by more in the media than in the past. And when doctors are giving these drugs to children, with impunity, the world watches and the deaths roll on and there is no stopping the mass-marketing of drugs that cause life-ruining conditions, addiction and death without any of the people that take the drugs being cured. Oh, the horrors of it all.
Lou
Posted by SLS on January 11, 2016, at 15:36:58
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-their blood upon who? » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 12:36:57
> Did i read all that garbage? Did i hell! You bore me so time to move on. No sixth sence but i know when someone is trying to ridicule me.
Hi.
You are making a good decision. I feel that it is healthy for all of us if we move on.
Please don't forget to rewrite the Subject line to reflect the theme of the thread as I have done. It helps to preserve continuity. You can, of course, change the Subject line to anything you would like at any time.
Take care.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 11, 2016, at 15:43:44
In reply to MAOI dosage, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:08:48
Hi, Escapee.
> So, today I made a change with my isocarboxazid. I always thought that the med is weak. So I changed the dose myself from 110mg (already above the "suggested" dose) to 150mg !! And it worked😊
> Here's my current dayly list:
> Isocarboxazid 150mg
> Amitriptyline 150mg
> Quetiapine 250mg
> Clonazepam 4mg
> Bupropion 300mgThank you so much for reporting your observations.
If I should return to Marplan, I will be sure to discuss with my doctor going up to 90 mg/day as a minimum.
I hope you continue to post your progress.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 16:05:40
In reply to Lou's reply-the greatest false advertising ever » Escapee, posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 12:49:06
Why the hell are u here if you are anti meds? Are u a doc? My doc is excellent and knows what hes doing.
You have made me think tho. 150mg is a big step from 110mg so im gonna stay on 130mg until i see my 'shrink' (thought ud like that) in 2 weeks time.
Bupropion ontop of maoi!! Am i gonna die ???!!
NO. In fact, being a DNRI bupropion has some effect of preventing a hypertensive crisis. The 1st meds that showed this protective effect were reboxetine with tranylcypromine.
The mix that i take have been well thought out. A LOW risk of direct interaction. In fact, amitriptyline and trimipramine are the only TCAs hes wiĺling to use with maois. He even said no nortriptyline which i know alot of people on here get put on, on top of their maois.
Something tells me u prefer to read the beloved Bible than anything scientific.NOTHING wrong withat at all. Whereas i like to check the facts and prefer to avoid stories & myths.
Finally, do u care to share what mental health issues u suffer with and what meds u take if any? It might help to explain our differences. And may even show me a better way to tackle my mental health issues.
Escapee.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 16:42:08
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-the greatest false advertising ever » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 16:05:40
> Why the hell are u here if you are anti meds? Are u a doc? My doc is excellent and knows what hes doing.
> You have made me think tho. 150mg is a big step from 110mg so im gonna stay on 130mg until i see my 'shrink' (thought ud like that) in 2 weeks time.
> Bupropion ontop of maoi!! Am i gonna die ???!!
> NO. In fact, being a DNRI bupropion has some effect of preventing a hypertensive crisis. The 1st meds that showed this protective effect were reboxetine with tranylcypromine.
> The mix that i take have been well thought out. A LOW risk of direct interaction. In fact, amitriptyline and trimipramine are the only TCAs hes wiĺling to use with maois. He even said no nortriptyline which i know alot of people on here get put on, on top of their maois.
> Something tells me u prefer to read the beloved Bible than anything scientific.NOTHING wrong withat at all. Whereas i like to check the facts and prefer to avoid stories & myths.
> Finally, do u care to share what mental health issues u suffer with and what meds u take if any? It might help to explain our differences. And may even show me a better way to tackle my mental health issues.
> Escapee.
>
> Escapee,
You wrote,[...am I going to die?...].
Most assuredly, that you are going to die. The question is when.
I can compute your time left before the drugs kill you with my death-O-meter.
You see, when these drugs are combined, the chance of death is increased exponentially. In your combination of these drugs you have 4 main avenues that could cause your death. One of those avenues is death by impaired thinking and confusion and loss of judgement infused by the drugs combined. I could tweak my death-O-meter if I knew if you lived near any cliffs or train tracks or such. more...
Lou
>
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 17:11:00
In reply to Re: MAOI dosage, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 11, 2016, at 11:49:07
Before i read the last few post i gotta add that isocarboxazid is, in my opinion the weakest of the 3 irreversable maois. By far. Much weaker than phenelzine and i would guess weaker than tranylcypromine for sure.
Phenelzine has its own gabaergic effects but not iso. Hence why i take clonazepam with it.
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 17:15:35
In reply to Re: MAOI dosage » Escapee, posted by SLS on January 11, 2016, at 15:43:44
Posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 17:27:07
In reply to Lou's reply-death-O-meter » Escapee, posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2016, at 16:42:08
> > Why the hell are u here if you are anti meds? Are u a doc? My doc is excellent and knows what hes doing.
> > You have made me think tho. 150mg is a big step from 110mg so im gonna stay on 130mg until i see my 'shrink' (thought ud like that) in 2 weeks time.
> > Bupropion ontop of maoi!! Am i gonna die ???!!
> > NO. In fact, being a DNRI bupropion has some effect of preventing a hypertensive crisis. The 1st meds that showed this protective effect were reboxetine with tranylcypromine.
> > The mix that i take have been well thought out. A LOW risk of direct interaction. In fact, amitriptyline and trimipramine are the only TCAs hes wiĺling to use with maois. He even said no nortriptyline which i know alot of people on here get put on, on top of their maois.
> > Something tells me u prefer to read the beloved Bible than anything scientific.NOTHING wrong withat at all. Whereas i like to check the facts and prefer to avoid stories & myths.
> > Finally, do u care to share what mental health issues u suffer with and what meds u take if any? It might help to explain our differences. And may even show me a better way to tackle my mental health issues.
> > Escapee.
> >
> > Escapee,
> You wrote,[...am I going to die?...].
> Most assuredly, that you are going to die. The question is when.
> I can compute your time left before the drugs kill you with my death-O-meter.
> You see, when these drugs are combined, the chance of death is increased exponentially. In your combination of these drugs you have 4 main avenues that could cause your death. One of those avenues is death by impaired thinking and confusion and loss of judgement infused by the drugs combined. I could tweak my death-O-meter if I knew if you lived near any cliffs or train tracks or such. more...
> Lou
> >
>
>Death-o-meter? REALLY??? Jees you are a crackpot! I bet u dont know ur left from ur right lmfao.
Happy New Year to ya! I hope you get some help real soon.
Escapee
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2016, at 9:11:37
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-death-O-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 17:27:07
> > > Why the hell are u here if you are anti meds? Are u a doc? My doc is excellent and knows what hes doing.
> > > You have made me think tho. 150mg is a big step from 110mg so im gonna stay on 130mg until i see my 'shrink' (thought ud like that) in 2 weeks time.
> > > Bupropion ontop of maoi!! Am i gonna die ???!!
> > > NO. In fact, being a DNRI bupropion has some effect of preventing a hypertensive crisis. The 1st meds that showed this protective effect were reboxetine with tranylcypromine.
> > > The mix that i take have been well thought out. A LOW risk of direct interaction. In fact, amitriptyline and trimipramine are the only TCAs hes wiĺling to use with maois. He even said no nortriptyline which i know alot of people on here get put on, on top of their maois.
> > > Something tells me u prefer to read the beloved Bible than anything scientific.NOTHING wrong withat at all. Whereas i like to check the facts and prefer to avoid stories & myths.
> > > Finally, do u care to share what mental health issues u suffer with and what meds u take if any? It might help to explain our differences. And may even show me a better way to tackle my mental health issues.
> > > Escapee.
> > >
> > > Escapee,
> > You wrote,[...am I going to die?...].
> > Most assuredly, that you are going to die. The question is when.
> > I can compute your time left before the drugs kill you with my death-O-meter.
> > You see, when these drugs are combined, the chance of death is increased exponentially. In your combination of these drugs you have 4 main avenues that could cause your death. One of those avenues is death by impaired thinking and confusion and loss of judgement infused by the drugs combined. I could tweak my death-O-meter if I knew if you lived near any cliffs or train tracks or such. more...
> > Lou
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Death-o-meter? REALLY??? Jees you are a crackpot! I bet u dont know ur left from ur right lmfao.
> Happy New Year to ya! I hope you get some help real soon.
> Escapee
Es,
You wrote,[...I bet u don't know ur left from ur right...].
There is a continuous body of mathematical research that can focus a time frame of how long a person could live taking these drugs promoted here as "medicines." More and more information is available in relation to that these drugs that you are taking can shorten the life-span of those taking these drugs. As to what I know, I have a broad background in mathematical statistics way beyond what you could think as someone not knowing [...ur left from ur right...].
In your case, there are predictable outcomes of adverse effects that have been compiled as mathematical probabilities. I can use those statistics in formulating a predictable outcome of death by the drugs. The more data that I have, the more accurate my time line for death from the drugs could be. Some of the latest research shows that the drugs that you are taking could cause you to be killed in an attempted murder. The culprit in your combination is the BZD. That raises the chances of homicidal thinking and if you live where you have access to a gun, you could be compelled to attempt to murder someone and be killed in the exchange of gunfire by the police or the person that you were targeting. And worse, if you try to stop the BZD, you could go into a withdrawal state so horrific that you could be compelled to kill your self. So the BZD has a two-pronged statistical aspect that I can use in my death-O-meter.
The tragedy here is that I am allowed to be used as being a crack-pot here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record by them allowing others to be immune from his enforcement policy to post what could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. That could create and develop a mind-set in readers to ignore what I say that could then result in their deaths because they could think that by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record allowing the ridicule of me here to be supportive, then what I say here could them be discarded as being a "crack-pot". But those killed by the drugs here could really be victims that I am trying to save, and their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by SLS on January 12, 2016, at 9:14:06
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-death-O-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 17:27:07
Death-O-Meter?
:-)
I don't often read the posts of Lou Pilder, but I found this one particularly amusing.
- Scott
Posted by bkva23 on January 12, 2016, at 10:38:41
In reply to MAOI dosage, posted by Escapee on January 11, 2016, at 11:08:48
Im sorry if my response is off,i have limited time to read here and couldent follow the entire thread.All i can say is veterans should remember a very well rounded person who posted on maois called chairman maoi.
He was nice enough to speak to me through email.Alli can tell you is we agreed at least on parnate the recomended dose is out of whack.
Ill post this again,they glaxco at the time DID NOT MANUFACTURE the drug,instead they bought it from a lone CHEMIST Alfred Burger who was the sole creator of it.When i would call glaxco and ask to speak to technical people all they could do was read to me from data sheets.
Parnate went as follows,first data sheet recomends one 10 mg tablet a day to a max of three.
Second reads to a max oof 90 mg a day,and scholar articles read therputic dose ranging from 60-90-to at its most 200mg.
I with a stimulant added being tolerant and a big guy take 40 mg twice a day.
Posted by Escapee on January 12, 2016, at 12:56:39
In reply to Re: MAOI dosage chairman, posted by bkva23 on January 12, 2016, at 10:38:41
But why does Dr. Bob put up with nuisance. He's clearly here to ruin posts. Bob are you awake? I don't mind getting a ban for a while if you can sort this mess. Ah the good old days. Maxime. Ace the Nardil king. Chairman maoi (?). Ed-UK. This is what I would call a HARDCORE board. For people to teach and learn from others. WHAT HAPPENED?
I am requesting that you ban this Loo person from accessing the Medication board. Seems to me they would be better using the Alternative & Psychology board. This member gives nothing to this board,only criticism. And Lord knows why this person comes onto this board. Maybe they gets a kick out of others misfortune.
Best stop there.
Oh, why did I post this here instead of Admin? Coz I want everyone to read it.
Escapee.
Posted by SLS on January 12, 2016, at 13:36:27
In reply to Re: MAOI dosage chairman, posted by bkva23 on January 12, 2016, at 10:38:41
You and Chairman MAO are both right. I feel that the effective range for the average patient suffering from major depressive disorder (MDD) is 40-80 mg/day. I've been arguing with doctors about this for years. With me, I do as well at 80 mg/day as I do at 150 mg/day. However, at the higher dosages, I get very sleepy. Jay Amsterdam, in his studies of high-dosage tranylcypromine (Parnate) used up to 170 mg/day. I would agree with the Chairman that it doesn't make much sense to exceed 200 mg/day.
- Scott
Posted by bkva23 on January 12, 2016, at 22:01:54
In reply to Re: MAOI dosage chairman » bkva23, posted by SLS on January 12, 2016, at 13:36:27
Yess i believe 200 mg is the highest documented recomended use even in articles oncerning the most severe cases,btw wonder what happened to chairman hope he is ok he offered i believe a lot
Posted by Escapee on January 13, 2016, at 6:58:57
In reply to Lou's reply-huzehykrkpot? » Escapee, posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2016, at 9:11:37
> > > > Why the hell are u here if you are anti meds? Are u a doc? My doc is excellent and knows what hes doing.
> > > > You have made me think tho. 150mg is a big step from 110mg so im gonna stay on 130mg until i see my 'shrink' (thought ud like that) in 2 weeks time.
> > > > Bupropion ontop of maoi!! Am i gonna die ???!!
> > > > NO. In fact, being a DNRI bupropion has some effect of preventing a hypertensive crisis. The 1st meds that showed this protective effect were reboxetine with tranylcypromine.
> > > > The mix that i take have been well thought out. A LOW risk of direct interaction. In fact, amitriptyline and trimipramine are the only TCAs hes wiĺling to use with maois. He even said no nortriptyline which i know alot of people on here get put on, on top of their maois.
> > > > Something tells me u prefer to read the beloved Bible than anything scientific.NOTHING wrong withat at all. Whereas i like to check the facts and prefer to avoid stories & myths.
> > > > Finally, do u care to share what mental health issues u suffer with and what meds u take if any? It might help to explain our differences. And may even show me a better way to tackle my mental health issues.
> > > > Escapee.
> > > >
> > > > Escapee,
> > > You wrote,[...am I going to die?...].
> > > Most assuredly, that you are going to die. The question is when.
> > > I can compute your time left before the drugs kill you with my death-O-meter.
> > > You see, when these drugs are combined, the chance of death is increased exponentially. In your combination of these drugs you have 4 main avenues that could cause your death. One of those avenues is death by impaired thinking and confusion and loss of judgement infused by the drugs combined. I could tweak my death-O-meter if I knew if you lived near any cliffs or train tracks or such. more...
> > > Lou
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Death-o-meter? REALLY??? Jees you are a crackpot! I bet u dont know ur left from ur right lmfao.
> > Happy New Year to ya! I hope you get some help real soon.
> > Escapee
> Es,
> You wrote,[...I bet u don't know ur left from ur right...].
> There is a continuous body of mathematical research that can focus a time frame of how long a person could live taking these drugs promoted here as "medicines." More and more information is available in relation to that these drugs that you are taking can shorten the life-span of those taking these drugs. As to what I know, I have a broad background in mathematical statistics way beyond what you could think as someone not knowing [...ur left from ur right...].
> In your case, there are predictable outcomes of adverse effects that have been compiled as mathematical probabilities. I can use those statistics in formulating a predictable outcome of death by the drugs. The more data that I have, the more accurate my time line for death from the drugs could be. Some of the latest research shows that the drugs that you are taking could cause you to be killed in an attempted murder. The culprit in your combination is the BZD. That raises the chances of homicidal thinking and if you live where you have access to a gun, you could be compelled to attempt to murder someone and be killed in the exchange of gunfire by the police or the person that you were targeting. And worse, if you try to stop the BZD, you could go into a withdrawal state so horrific that you could be compelled to kill your self. So the BZD has a two-pronged statistical aspect that I can use in my death-O-meter.
> The tragedy here is that I am allowed to be used as being a crack-pot here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record by them allowing others to be immune from his enforcement policy to post what could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. That could create and develop a mind-set in readers to ignore what I say that could then result in their deaths because they could think that by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record allowing the ridicule of me here to be supportive, then what I say here could them be discarded as being a "crack-pot". But those killed by the drugs here could really be victims that I am trying to save, and their blood will not be upon me.
> LouGood job i take heaps of vits & mins, antoxidants and nootropics then isnt it. Nootropics are great! Clearer thinking, better focus, better memory Short and long term, better communication and the best part- they protect the brain from neuron damage. Most of you are probabley aware that students use nootropics the cram their studying. There are so many nootropics u wont even know ur taking them. Caffein is one, nicotine is another (and u dont need to smoke, just use a NRT). Just be sure to use regular dose. I dont drink caffein drink but instead i buy caffein 50mg pills so i can get the dosage spot on. Modafinil is of course one and so is its big brother adrafinil. Others are gingko, omega 3s, acetyl-L-carnitine, ginseng (i prefer siberian ginseng), L-theanine (found in tea) and heaps more.
See how im rambling? I only do that when moods up and anxieties down.
Escapee.
Posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2016, at 17:35:25
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-huzehykrkpot? » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 13, 2016, at 6:58:57
Don't let Lou get to you it's not worth it. He was a teacher, and is older than I am which is 69 now. Could be he's getting dementia who knows. Just ignore. Lou can be a good guy when he chooses to to right Lou? Philliipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 13, 2016, at 18:55:09
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-huzehykrkpot? » Lou Pilder, posted by Escapee on January 13, 2016, at 6:58:57
> > > > > Why the hell are u here if you are anti meds? Are u a doc? My doc is excellent and knows what hes doing.
> > > > > You have made me think tho. 150mg is a big step from 110mg so im gonna stay on 130mg until i see my 'shrink' (thought ud like that) in 2 weeks time.
> > > > > Bupropion ontop of maoi!! Am i gonna die ???!!
> > > > > NO. In fact, being a DNRI bupropion has some effect of preventing a hypertensive crisis. The 1st meds that showed this protective effect were reboxetine with tranylcypromine.
> > > > > The mix that i take have been well thought out. A LOW risk of direct interaction. In fact, amitriptyline and trimipramine are the only TCAs hes wiĺling to use with maois. He even said no nortriptyline which i know alot of people on here get put on, on top of their maois.
> > > > > Something tells me u prefer to read the beloved Bible than anything scientific.NOTHING wrong withat at all. Whereas i like to check the facts and prefer to avoid stories & myths.
> > > > > Finally, do u care to share what mental health issues u suffer with and what meds u take if any? It might help to explain our differences. And may even show me a better way to tackle my mental health issues.
> > > > > Escapee.
> > > > >
> > > > > Escapee,
> > > > You wrote,[...am I going to die?...].
> > > > Most assuredly, that you are going to die. The question is when.
> > > > I can compute your time left before the drugs kill you with my death-O-meter.
> > > > You see, when these drugs are combined, the chance of death is increased exponentially. In your combination of these drugs you have 4 main avenues that could cause your death. One of those avenues is death by impaired thinking and confusion and loss of judgement infused by the drugs combined. I could tweak my death-O-meter if I knew if you lived near any cliffs or train tracks or such. more...
> > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Death-o-meter? REALLY??? Jees you are a crackpot! I bet u dont know ur left from ur right lmfao.
> > > Happy New Year to ya! I hope you get some help real soon.
> > > Escapee
> > Es,
> > You wrote,[...I bet u don't know ur left from ur right...].
> > There is a continuous body of mathematical research that can focus a time frame of how long a person could live taking these drugs promoted here as "medicines." More and more information is available in relation to that these drugs that you are taking can shorten the life-span of those taking these drugs. As to what I know, I have a broad background in mathematical statistics way beyond what you could think as someone not knowing [...ur left from ur right...].
> > In your case, there are predictable outcomes of adverse effects that have been compiled as mathematical probabilities. I can use those statistics in formulating a predictable outcome of death by the drugs. The more data that I have, the more accurate my time line for death from the drugs could be. Some of the latest research shows that the drugs that you are taking could cause you to be killed in an attempted murder. The culprit in your combination is the BZD. That raises the chances of homicidal thinking and if you live where you have access to a gun, you could be compelled to attempt to murder someone and be killed in the exchange of gunfire by the police or the person that you were targeting. And worse, if you try to stop the BZD, you could go into a withdrawal state so horrific that you could be compelled to kill your self. So the BZD has a two-pronged statistical aspect that I can use in my death-O-meter.
> > The tragedy here is that I am allowed to be used as being a crack-pot here by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record by them allowing others to be immune from his enforcement policy to post what could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions about me. That could create and develop a mind-set in readers to ignore what I say that could then result in their deaths because they could think that by Mr. Hsiung and any deputy of record allowing the ridicule of me here to be supportive, then what I say here could them be discarded as being a "crack-pot". But those killed by the drugs here could really be victims that I am trying to save, and their blood will not be upon me.
> > Lou
>
> Good job i take heaps of vits & mins, antoxidants and nootropics then isnt it. Nootropics are great! Clearer thinking, better focus, better memory Short and long term, better communication and the best part- they protect the brain from neuron damage. Most of you are probabley aware that students use nootropics the cram their studying. There are so many nootropics u wont even know ur taking them. Caffein is one, nicotine is another (and u dont need to smoke, just use a NRT). Just be sure to use regular dose. I dont drink caffein drink but instead i buy caffein 50mg pills so i can get the dosage spot on. Modafinil is of course one and so is its big brother adrafinil. Others are gingko, omega 3s, acetyl-L-carnitine, ginseng (i prefer siberian ginseng), L-theanine (found in tea) and heaps more.
> See how im rambling? I only do that when moods up and anxieties down.
> Escapee.
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. The statistics that I use in computing the shortening of one's life-span that take psychotropic drugs are not effected by if the drugger takes vitamins and supplements and other substances described here by the poster. In other words, if the combination of drugs could kill by serotonin syndrome, taking vitamins and such is not going to stop that from killing the person. In fact, I have some research that shows harmful effects from these type of substances used with psychiatric drugs as some could increase the level of one of the psychiatric drugs. some of the research says not to use these supplements when taking theirs. So unless the poster could introduce overwhelming research to support his/her claim, you could be misled to your death.
Lou
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