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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Timebomb on October 30, 2015, at 16:04:16
Hi all,
I'm trying Cymbalta for the second time. I've been on it before, and it was the best antidepressant of them all for me. Being an early 30s guy though, the loss of libido was horrible and I discontinued.
I've been really ill since, and nothing else worked has well. So, hence I'm back on.
I only stayed on Cymbalta for a few weeks last time. I know people often say libido effects do NOT get better, if you experience them. But, is there any hope? I have read other reports from men who did get their libido back after a couple of months.
I'm also going on Modafinil to help with the fatigue. Perhaps that could help?
Help a worried dude out here!
(and no offence to the ladies here; I just read Cymbalta is much less likely to have libido effects in women so it seems the male experience should be the focus for this chat.)
Posted by former poster on October 31, 2015, at 0:38:10
In reply to For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta?, posted by Timebomb on October 30, 2015, at 16:04:16
Viagra works but its dangerous. Try some supplements. Pumpkin seed, pumpkin seed oil, ginseng, ashwaghanda, l-citruline, are beneficial for this. Check for interactions first.
I agree cymbalta is one of the best AD's out there but when I was on it friends and family said I looked ill.
Posted by Timebomb on October 31, 2015, at 10:12:15
In reply to Re: For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta? » Timebomb, posted by former poster on October 31, 2015, at 0:38:10
> Viagra works but its dangerous. Try some supplements. Pumpkin seed, pumpkin seed oil, ginseng, ashwaghanda, l-citruline, are beneficial for this. Check for interactions first.
> I agree cymbalta is one of the best AD's out there but when I was on it friends and family said I looked ill.Funny. I looked healthier on it. And had more energy. But as it was a short trial who knows what I'll be like in a few weeks this time. Determined to stick with it, despite my concerns over sexual side effects. I've run out of options.
Did you find the SSE too bad? I don't mind physical stuff too much, it's the lowering of desire which worries me. I value my relationship.
Posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 11:17:58
In reply to Re: For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta?, posted by Timebomb on October 31, 2015, at 10:12:15
I would not discontinue Cymbalta if it is helping you. There is a chance that it will not work as well once it is discontinued and restarted.
You can try adding Wellbutrin or buspar. Wellbutrin could help the Cymbalta to work even better, along with recovering some libido. Have you tried Wellbutrin by itself? Wellbutrin can cause anger and anxiety, but I don't know what the rate of incidence is. It seems to be infrequent. There are more things to investigate. If you want to try botanicals, it might be worth researching Ginko biloba.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2015, at 15:12:55
In reply to Re: For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta?, posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 11:17:58
> I would not discontinue Cymbalta if it is helping you. There is a chance that it will not work as well once it is discontinued and restarted.
>
> You can try adding Wellbutrin or buspar. Wellbutrin could help the Cymbalta to work even better, along with recovering some libido. Have you tried Wellbutrin by itself? Wellbutrin can cause anger and anxiety, but I don't know what the rate of incidence is. It seems to be infrequent. There are more things to investigate. If you want to try botanicals, it might be worth researching Ginko biloba.
>
>
> - Scott
Friends, mothers, caretakers etal,
If you or anyone that you are caring for including a child that you can make decisions as to drug them or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist, be not deceived by this site allowing the promotion of drugs without being compliant with the FDA rules for promoting drugs.
In fact, the taking of the drugs together as advocated by Scott here, could cause seizures, cause coma or death. This is all because when these drugs are combined, the effects are increased exponentially and the combining of the chemicals in the drugs themselves can yield a toxic nerve agent that could destroy centers in the brain leading to life-ruining conditions, addiction and death.
Be not deceived into thinking that these drugs are safer than they really are or worse, that there are no risks at all because Scott is allowed to publish here the promotion of combinations of drugs known to cause death, addiction and life-ruining conditions. In fact, you may be mislead to think that it is being supportive by Scott for him to advocate the taking of these drugs with impunity from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement rule in his TOS. For Mr. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence. But if you are swayed to go to the psychiatrist of your choice and ask for the drugs, you could receive them, for as many as received them, the money flow is sped up through the chain of the makers, the dispensers and the prescribers all getting their cut of the money from these drugs. And over 40,000 people are killed by these drugs yearly and many children are made to suffer a horrible death by them. Who will have their blood be upon them? Who could say in any day that they did not know? And when you yourself finally see through, who do you think will be laughing at you?
Lou
Posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 20:21:08
In reply to Lou's urgent warning-laslaph, posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2015, at 15:12:55
> In fact, the taking of the drugs together as advocated by Scott here, could cause seizures, cause coma or death. This is all because when these drugs are combined, the effects are increased exponentially and the combining of the chemicals in the drugs themselves can yield a toxic nerve agent that could destroy centers in the brain leading to life-ruining conditions, addiction and death.
Q: When combined with Wellbutrin, is Cymbalta more likely to increase seizure risk than are Effexor or Pristiq?
How would you go about supporting your claim that when combining Wellbutrin and Cymbalta, the risk of seizure increases exponentially? "eHealthme.com"? Interaction checkers? What is the rate of incidence of this reaction?
One thing that is important to know is that Wellbutrin can increase the levels of Cymbalta, and may require an adjustment in dosage. The converse is not true. The levels of Wellbutrin remain unaffected when combined with Cymbalta.
Just an observation: Water is not combustible, despite its composition of hydrogen and oxygen atoms. Your contention that the toxicity of a molecule is determined by the toxicity of its components is invalid.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 20:40:15
In reply to Would you care to post evidence? - knowlaf » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 20:21:08
Mr. Pilder,
I found several citations on Medline/Pubmed regarding the combination of Cymbalta (duloxetine) and Wellbutrin (bupropion). None of them observed an increased risk of seizure or life-threatening reactions. Here are two examples:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842649
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16528701
The following is the only abstract that appeared when I combined the keywords "bupropion duloxetine seizures":
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=bupropion+duloxetine+seizures
From this, I would not conclude that the reaction you refer to occurs as commonly as your statements would lead others to believe.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2015, at 20:56:19
In reply to Re: Would you care to post evidence? - knowlaf, posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 20:40:15
> Mr. Pilder,
>
> I found several citations on Medline/Pubmed regarding the combination of Cymbalta (duloxetine) and Wellbutrin (bupropion). None of them observed an increased risk of seizure or life-threatening reactions. Here are two examples:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842649
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16528701
>
> The following is the only abstract that appeared when I combined the keywords "bupropion duloxetine seizures":
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=bupropion+duloxetine+seizures
>
> From this, I would not conclude that the reaction you refer to occurs as commonly as your statements would lead others to believe.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
Let us look a little further.
Lou
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/821737-overview
Posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 21:50:38
In reply to Lou's reply-psytanlaphs » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on October 31, 2015, at 20:56:19
> > Mr. Pilder,
> >
> > I found several citations on Medline/Pubmed regarding the combination of Cymbalta (duloxetine) and Wellbutrin (bupropion). None of them observed an increased risk of seizure or life-threatening reactions. Here are two examples:
> >
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842649
> >
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16528701
> >
> > The following is the only abstract that appeared when I combined the keywords "bupropion duloxetine seizures":
> >
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=bupropion+duloxetine+seizures
> >
> > From this, I would not conclude that the reaction you refer to occurs as commonly as your statements would lead others to believe.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> Let us look a little further.
> Lou
> http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/821737-overview
Q: Of what relevance is this article?You might want to read the article more closely. It is not relevant to either the bupropion + duloxetine combination treatment nor bupropion toxicity at therapeutic dosages. It does not support your assertions.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 22:03:55
In reply to For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta?, posted by Timebomb on October 30, 2015, at 16:04:16
You might want to look for discussion forums that address the addition of bupropion to serotonergic (SSRI and SNRI) drugs for the purpose of remedying sexual side effects. I have seen a few posts by people taking the combination who describe encouraging results. It is safe to use these drugs together.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16165100
- Scott
Posted by Timebomb on November 1, 2015, at 2:58:42
In reply to Re: For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta? » Timebomb, posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 22:03:55
> You might want to look for discussion forums that address the addition of bupropion to serotonergic (SSRI and SNRI) drugs for the purpose of remedying sexual side effects. I have seen a few posts by people taking the combination who describe encouraging results. It is safe to use these drugs together.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16165100
>
>
> - ScottThanks Scott.
Ignore Lou(ney). I've seen her messages littered around here. Clearly not all there.
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 1, 2015, at 6:56:49
In reply to I don't see the relevance. Can you help? - knotlaf » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 31, 2015, at 21:50:38
> > > Mr. Pilder,
> > >
> > > I found several citations on Medline/Pubmed regarding the combination of Cymbalta (duloxetine) and Wellbutrin (bupropion). None of them observed an increased risk of seizure or life-threatening reactions. Here are two examples:
> > >
> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842649
> > >
> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16528701
> > >
> > > The following is the only abstract that appeared when I combined the keywords "bupropion duloxetine seizures":
> > >
> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=bupropion+duloxetine+seizures
> > >
> > > From this, I would not conclude that the reaction you refer to occurs as commonly as your statements would lead others to believe.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Scott,
> > Let us look a little further.
> > Lou
> > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/821737-overview
>
>
> Q: Of what relevance is this article?
>
> You might want to read the article more closely. It is not relevant to either the bupropion + duloxetine combination treatment nor bupropion toxicity at therapeutic dosages. It does not support your assertions.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Friends,
Be not deceived. For Scott wrote that the article is not relevant to what can happen to those that are treated with the combination of Wellbutrin and Cymbalta and being treated with Wellbutrin at doses that are "therapeutic".
The drugs both can cause serotonin syndrome all by themselves. And worse, when combined this toxicity could be raised exponentially.
What Scott is allowed with impunity by Mr. Hsiung here is to use the fallacy of {false conclusion which Mr. Hsiung calls jumping to a conclusion} all against his stated rules in his TOS by Scott being allowed to post that the article does not support that the drugs taken together could cause serotonin syndrome that could lead to coma and death. For the article states that each of the drugs has the potential as is plainly visible as the article states:
Wellbutrin can precipitate serotonin syndrome and is involved in many deaths by overdose with antidepressants.
You may be swayed by Scott being allowed to post this here as being seen as supportive for Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence. But you could be led to your death by accepting Scott's promotion of taking these drugs in combination all against the FDA's rules for promoting drugs without telling the adverse consequences that could happen and mislead you to think that the drugs are safer than they really are. This is why I say to you to not be deceived because you may think that because a psychiatrist here is allowing Scott to promote taking drugs that could kill you as being supportive, that could be a powerful influence to vulnerable readers in particular those here taking mind-altering drugs. And worse, mothers that are directed here by a search trying so hard to make as rational decision as to drug their child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist, could be seriously misled to drug their child on the basis of reading here the promotion of these drugs by Scott and others that could cause the death of their child for the mother could think that no harm could come to their child from taking these drugs when each of them by themselves could kill their child and by combining them that could be exponentially raised.
You see, these drugs come from chemicals derived mainly from oil out of the ground that have been used to kill. The science of killing went from the killing of insects and rats to the killing of people. The mechanism of death by these chemicals is something that Mr. Hsiung has prohibited me from posting here, but if you knew, I think that you would not put these chemicals in your brain or drug your child with them, or be persuaded by Scott and Mr. Hsiung allowing him, to promote chemicals that could kill you. Over 40,000 people yearly are killed by these drugs and the human suffering is horrific of those that get life-ruining conditions and addiction from these drugs before they die.
It has been revealed to me that death came into the world from the devil saying to the first humans that were created by God as from a Jewish perspective revealed to me, that they would not die if they disobeyed God to not eat of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But they did eat of the fruit and did die and we will die. And the devil laughs as death has its victory each time one is killed. But it has been revealed to me how one could have victory over death and shut the laughter of the devil and make him flee. This would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me which Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post here.
Lou
Posted by SLS on November 1, 2015, at 7:27:03
In reply to Lou's reply-reziztanhewlphlea » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 1, 2015, at 6:56:49
> The drugs both can cause serotonin syndrome all by themselves.
No. You are wrong.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20238197
It is not supportive for you to chronically scare people with words that are a source of misinformation.
Please be supportive.
If you would like to discuss this further, please begin a new thread on the Administration board regarding support.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 1, 2015, at 7:58:49
In reply to You are wrong. You are not being supportive. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on November 1, 2015, at 7:27:03
> > The drugs both can cause serotonin syndrome all by themselves.
>
> No. You are wrong.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20238197
>
> It is not supportive for you to chronically scare people with words that are a source of misinformation.
>
> Please be supportive.
>
> If you would like to discuss this further, please begin a new thread on the Administration board regarding support.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Be not deceived. Scott writes, [...You are wrong...You are not being supportive...you chronically scare people with words that are misinformation...].
Scott is allowed by Mr. Hsiung all against his own stated rules in his TOS and not be held to the enforcement policy of his own rules to not post what could lead one to feel accused or put down. You see, I am not wrong, for many deaths from these drugs have Wellbutrin as being in the toxicity. You see, serotonin syndrome is not something that can be automatically diagnosed in and of itself after the fact. And many are misdiagnosed and die because SS is a diagnosis by default and many could not recognize it, even in an emergency room. So people that die from SS could have their cause of death as to what killed them, not by SS. So if SS killed them by some heart issue, their cause of death would be the myocardial infraction or such, not SS. This is the great danger here in that I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to educate you with the knowledge that I have in my study of nerve agents and insecticides and organophosphates. You see, many of the chemicals used in these drugs have been used in the commission of mass-murder and are still being used today to commit mass-murder. These drugs are not new drugs but old knock-offs of drugs that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting about here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 1, 2015, at 9:23:15
In reply to Re: For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta?, posted by Timebomb on November 1, 2015, at 2:58:42
> > You might want to look for discussion forums that address the addition of bupropion to serotonergic (SSRI and SNRI) drugs for the purpose of remedying sexual side effects. I have seen a few posts by people taking the combination who describe encouraging results. It is safe to use these drugs together.
> >
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16165100
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Thanks Scott.
>
> Ignore Lou(ney). I've seen her messages littered around here. Clearly not all there.Friends,
Be not deceived. You can see the defamation heaped upon me here by third-party members posting with impunity of the rules by Mr. Hsiung. This is nothing new, but an old tactic of allowing others to inflict emotional distress on some one. The allowing of members here to inflict hatred upon me here with impunity could cause you to be swayed to join those as thinking that you are doing good for this community as Mr. Hsiung states that he wants you to trust him in that he is doing what will be good for his community as a whole by allowing the continual debasement of me here by third-party posters and that is supportive because he states that being supportive takes precedence.
But in That Day, many of you could find that it is too late for you to be delivered from addiction and life-ruining conditions and death. And you may see that laughing at me and ridiculing me and taunting and mocking me was allowed here with impunity and you could see that it was wrong, but it could be too late. For you may be faced with what is behind the defamation and the slander and see the slanderer himself, laughing at you, the great Satan, the Great Deceiver, The Prince of Death.
Lou
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 2, 2015, at 20:37:02
In reply to Lou's response-diablos » Timebomb, posted by Lou Pilder on November 1, 2015, at 9:23:15
Lou how do you know their laughing at you? you don't know, and people die in car wrecks and plane crashes but they still drive cars, there's risks to everything, people make mistakes .... i know you have your beliefs but your stuck in a box, expand your thinking and stop the pseudo warnings because everything has mistakes, car wrecks tons of people have died, but people still drive cars........
so......carry on......just open your mind to new ideas and people's persepectve
Posted by former poster on November 3, 2015, at 19:16:55
In reply to Re: For guys. Does libido return on Cymbalta?, posted by Timebomb on October 31, 2015, at 10:12:15
>Did you find the SSE too bad? I don't mind physical stuff too much, it's the lowering of desire which worries me. I value my relationship.
I had a lot of fantastic sex while on cymbalta. I just didn't have it as often and frequently couldn't get an erection or lost and erection. It depends how much in love you are. I think it was the main reason why I stopped taking cymbalta. Also seemed like I was losing my hearing which may or may not be related to cymbalta. Sadly, cymbalta was the 2nd most effective med for me. 1st being nardil.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on November 28, 2015, at 16:27:05
In reply to You are wrong. You are not being supportive. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on November 1, 2015, at 7:27:03
Lou, this is a support group
it is not
i repeat not
your soap box
i am beginning to think you are just a bad and evil experiment that was introduced to the site
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2015, at 17:32:18
In reply to Re: You are wrong. You are not being supportive., posted by elanor roosevelt on November 28, 2015, at 16:27:05
> Lou, this is a support group
>
> it is not
>
> i repeat not
>
> your soap box
>
> i am beginning to think you are just a bad and evil experiment that was introduced to the site
>
Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster says that I am wrong and not supportive. That could lead you to think of me in a false light because Mr. Hsiung is allowing the false statements to be seen as being supportive. And worse, that by him allowing it he thinks that his community that he visions will be gooder for allowing it. And worser, he wants you to try to trust him in what he doing to me here by allowing the harm that could come to me from defamation being allowed to be seen as supportive by him. And even worse, I am denied the equal protection of his rules by him leaving my notifications outstanding. And even worser upon the worser, he posts the swastika and the picture of the death camp that could arouse antisemitc feelings here and allow people to laugh at me as that I have to suffer humiliation by him as he can break his own rules and hold me to the rules that he can be a hypocrite in allowing what could lead Jews to be insulted in a site for support, making the swastika to be seen as supportive by him that could encourage more posters to post with impunity anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation against me.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2015, at 18:05:32
In reply to Lou's warning-beenhott » elanor roosevelt, posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2015, at 17:32:18
> > Lou, this is a support group
> >
> > it is not
> >
> > i repeat not
> >
> > your soap box
> >
> > i am beginning to think you are just a bad and evil experiment that was introduced to the site
> >
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. The poster says that I am wrong and not supportive. That could lead you to think of me in a false light because Mr. Hsiung is allowing the false statements to be seen as being supportive. And worse, that by him allowing it he thinks that his community that he visions will be gooder for allowing it. And worser, he wants you to try to trust him in what he doing to me here by allowing the harm that could come to me from defamation being allowed to be seen as supportive by him. And even worse, I am denied the equal protection of his rules by him leaving my notifications outstanding. And even worser upon the worser, he posts the swastika and the picture of the death camp that could arouse antisemitc feelings here and allow people to laugh at me as that I have to suffer humiliation by him as he can break his own rules and hold me to the rules that he can be a hypocrite in allowing what could lead Jews to be insulted in a site for support, making the swastika to be seen as supportive by him that could encourage more posters to post with impunity anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation against me.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. The poster says that I am not supportive and wrong. The poster does not specify what in the posts of mine constitute not being supportive, not what I am wrong about. And is being ambiguous supportive? But it is much worse than that. For by the poster not specifying in relation to what I post here what is wrong and not supportive, they could think anything that I post is wrong and not supportive. And that could be thought to be supportive by the poster because it is allowed to stand which means in relation to Mr. Hsiung's policy, that it is supportive by him and worse, if what is not supportive is left to stand, he is allowing it because he thinks that in his vision of his community sometime in the future, the community will be improved. Is that supportive?
My friends, if you die from believing the defamation against me here to be supportive would you be willing to suffer a horrible death so that this community will be better? That is what the historical record shows as leaders used what Mr. Hsiung says thousands of years ago to justify slavery, infanticide, segregation, discrimination and genocide and other crimes against humanity and that type of thinking is being used today for the same justification.
But is what I wright wrong? I say not. for thousands of people are killed each year by these drugs being allowed to be promoted here as medicines by a doctor while not having to comply with the FDA rules for such. Is that supportive? How could that be supportive if readers could be seriously misled to believe that the drugs are safer than they really are and material facts are allowed to be left out? That in my book is being deceptive, not supportive. And what kind of community will be fostered here by these being allowed as readers could be killed by the drugs being allowed to be seen without the FDA warnings by a doctor? And mothers could be misled to drug their child thinking that there are no risks at all from taking these drugs. I am trying to save lives and that is supportive in my community as a whole. To keep me from warning readers is a backward vision of the past where Jews were promoted by the leader as inferior people to be shunned and expelled and have their voices stilled.
Never again.
Lou
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2015, at 5:12:27
In reply to Lou's warning-beaknott, posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2015, at 18:05:32
> > > Lou, this is a support group
> > >
> > > it is not
> > >
> > > i repeat not
> > >
> > > your soap box
> > >
> > > i am beginning to think you are just a bad and evil experiment that was introduced to the site
> > >
> > Friends,
> > Be not deceived. The poster says that I am wrong and not supportive. That could lead you to think of me in a false light because Mr. Hsiung is allowing the false statements to be seen as being supportive. And worse, that by him allowing it he thinks that his community that he visions will be gooder for allowing it. And worser, he wants you to try to trust him in what he doing to me here by allowing the harm that could come to me from defamation being allowed to be seen as supportive by him. And even worse, I am denied the equal protection of his rules by him leaving my notifications outstanding. And even worser upon the worser, he posts the swastika and the picture of the death camp that could arouse antisemitc feelings here and allow people to laugh at me as that I have to suffer humiliation by him as he can break his own rules and hold me to the rules that he can be a hypocrite in allowing what could lead Jews to be insulted in a site for support, making the swastika to be seen as supportive by him that could encourage more posters to post with impunity anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation against me.
> > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> Be not deceived. The poster says that I am not supportive and wrong. The poster does not specify what in the posts of mine constitute not being supportive, not what I am wrong about. And is being ambiguous supportive? But it is much worse than that. For by the poster not specifying in relation to what I post here what is wrong and not supportive, they could think anything that I post is wrong and not supportive. And that could be thought to be supportive by the poster because it is allowed to stand which means in relation to Mr. Hsiung's policy, that it is supportive by him and worse, if what is not supportive is left to stand, he is allowing it because he thinks that in his vision of his community sometime in the future, the community will be improved. Is that supportive?
> My friends, if you die from believing the defamation against me here to be supportive would you be willing to suffer a horrible death so that this community will be better? That is what the historical record shows as leaders used what Mr. Hsiung says thousands of years ago to justify slavery, infanticide, segregation, discrimination and genocide and other crimes against humanity and that type of thinking is being used today for the same justification.
> But is what I wright wrong? I say not. for thousands of people are killed each year by these drugs being allowed to be promoted here as medicines by a doctor while not having to comply with the FDA rules for such. Is that supportive? How could that be supportive if readers could be seriously misled to believe that the drugs are safer than they really are and material facts are allowed to be left out? That in my book is being deceptive, not supportive. And what kind of community will be fostered here by these being allowed as readers could be killed by the drugs being allowed to be seen without the FDA warnings by a doctor? And mothers could be misled to drug their child thinking that there are no risks at all from taking these drugs. I am trying to save lives and that is supportive in my community as a whole. To keep me from warning readers is a backward vision of the past where Jews were promoted by the leader as inferior people to be shunned and expelled and have their voices stilled.
> Never again.
> Lou
> >
> Friends,
You can see the hate inflicted upon me here by Mr. Hsiung allowing third-party posters to post defamation and anti-Semitic propaganda against me here with impunity. His justification for him doing this to me is that by him allowing the members to inflict harmful messages against my character here, for allowing the hate to be seen as being supportive by him, his community in the future will be improved in some way as he thinks from some type of vision that he has to see into the future.
But is that type of thinking psychologically sound? Does the historical record show that leaders that used that type of justification to allow hate prosper their country in some way? But when it did, did the enslavement or murder of groups of people or children justify whatever benefit came from infanticide, slavery or genocide?
Here Mr. Hsiung justifies discrimination against me by him allowing members to be immune from his enforcement rule when they post accusative messages against my character that leads me to feel worthless. That he knows as a psychiatrist could cause me great emotional harm. He justifies him doing so on the basis that an unknown to me fantasy in his mind that he entertains overrules him acting on hate in disregard for his own mission of support and education to allow the hate so that the fantasy will emerge. That is what support means by him for he says that being supportive takes precedence and to be civil at all times and one match could start a forest fire so he doesn't wait to act on unsupportive posts. But what is this fantasy in his mind that he does not state but only says that what he does will be good for his community as a whole. But when will this emerge? He does not give a time frame so he could go to his grave thinking that whatever harm could come to readers here will be justified maybe a thousand years from now. What a terrible shame that you are asked to trust him in that him allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen here as supportive, and him posting the swastika, that by him doing so the Golden Rule is being followed by him in that in his TOS he says to remember the Golden Rule and try to trust him in whatever he does here.
Now let us reason together. Where on this earth are people murdered and it is justified by using the fantasy that by doing so, it will be good for the country as a whole? And can that phrase even have a singular meaning? Do you not see the fallacy of reasoning here? Do you not see how there could be children killed by that kind of thinking? Their blood will not be upon me.
Let us look at this video:
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywCn1T-Jug
Posted by elanor roosevelt on November 29, 2015, at 13:40:37
In reply to Lou's warning-justify hate by a fantasy, posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2015, at 5:12:27
I had promised myself not to read anything written by Lou but read someone else's reply to him and got sucked in again
i am sick and come here hoping for support
Lou is sick but he is not here for help
we do not have the sort of help he needsLou
as far as the golden rule goes, if my grammar was as lousy as yours i would want someone to tell me
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 29, 2015, at 19:17:38
In reply to shouldn't we shun Lou and go on with our lives, posted by elanor roosevelt on November 29, 2015, at 13:40:37
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 30, 2015, at 10:57:17
In reply to shouldn't we shun Lou and go on with our lives, posted by elanor roosevelt on November 29, 2015, at 13:40:37
> I had promised myself not to read anything written by Lou but read someone else's reply to him and got sucked in again
>
> i am sick and come here hoping for support
>
> Lou is sick but he is not here for help
> we do not have the sort of help he needs
>
> Lou
> as far as the golden rule goes, if my grammar was as lousy as yours i would want someone to tell mee-r,
Is there anything worser than lowzy grammur?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 2, 2015, at 9:36:01
In reply to shouldn't we shun Lou and go on with our lives, posted by elanor roosevelt on November 29, 2015, at 13:40:37
> I had promised myself not to read anything written by Lou but read someone else's reply to him and got sucked in again
>
> i am sick and come here hoping for support
>
> Lou is sick but he is not here for help
> we do not have the sort of help he needs
>
> Lou
> as far as the golden rule goes, if my grammar was as lousy as yours i would want someone to tell meFriends,
The poster writes,[..should we not shun Lou and go on with our lives...]
Our Scott wrote that he would re consider being a member here if anti-Semitism was allowed to be seen as being supportive here by Mr. Hsiung.
You see, one of the ways that anti-Semitic hate is created and developed in a community, country, state, school, university, workplace ect, id to isolate and stigmatize a Jew in that community. In particular, if the Jew is demanding equal treatment of the rules, laws, opportunities, ect in the community and further, if the Jew is trying to stop those creating and
developing the anti-Semitic hate.
Lou
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