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Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 10:42:06
Any chance that effexor causes this? My jaw muscles are REALLY tense and it spreads into my neck.
I have epicondolytis maybe cause of the tight neck.
Posted by Christ_empowered on August 15, 2015, at 13:22:14
In reply to Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 10:42:06
I think sri and snri drugs can cause this. You're on such a low dose though. But...maybe w/ that much seroquel on board (one of seroquel's metabolites is an AD)...its an issue?
I dunno, lol.
Posted by linkadge on August 16, 2015, at 11:53:49
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by Christ_empowered on August 15, 2015, at 13:22:14
Yeah, dopamine antagonists or serotonergic agents can cause this. Its similar to RLS.
Posted by bleauberry on August 16, 2015, at 16:12:05
In reply to Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 10:42:06
All of the ssris caused teeth clenching and grinding for me. Actually now that I think about it, all reuptake inhibitors of any kind did that. Stimulants too. I think it is a fairly common side effect and can become permanent sometimes. All of our psych drugs impact the brain in profound ways that are not adequately explained.
Posted by baseball55 on August 16, 2015, at 19:48:43
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by bleauberry on August 16, 2015, at 16:12:05
> Stimulants too. I think it is a fairly common side effect and can become permanent sometimes. All of our psych drugs impact the brain in profound ways that are not adequately explained.
Fairly common? Any evidence for that besides you own experience? Never happened to me, but I am an n=1.
Posted by SLS on August 17, 2015, at 11:19:18
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by baseball55 on August 16, 2015, at 19:48:43
> > Stimulants too. I think it is a fairly common side effect and can become permanent sometimes. All of our psych drugs impact the brain in profound ways that are not adequately explained.
>
> Fairly common? Any evidence for that besides you own experience? Never happened to me, but I am an n=1.n=2
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 17, 2015, at 12:24:48
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor? » baseball55, posted by SLS on August 17, 2015, at 11:19:18
Well i am wearing braces at nighttime to not waste my teeth.
Posted by SLS on August 17, 2015, at 12:27:52
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by bleauberry on August 16, 2015, at 16:12:05
> All of our psych drugs impact the brain in profound ways that are not adequately explained.
Your point being?
What you wrote is true. The jigsaw puzzle regarding the exact phenomenology of mental illness has not yet been solved completely. However, scientists have collected tons of biological and psychological data produced by very sophisticated tools. Unfortunately, they don't know how to put the pieces together yet. That being said, there is quite a bit of clinical investigation that demonstrates which drugs work and which ones don't - regardless of mechanism of action. Psychotropics are not the only class of drugs whose mechanisms of action are not well understood and used to treat illnesses that lack explanations of etiologiy.
Profound illness often requires drugs with profound biological effects.
Science is not a four-letter word. Sometimes it is called upon to produce educated guesses upon which to build theories and develop new studies to further investigate medical issues.
Uneducated guesses have their place, I guess. However, I am not sure exactly where that place is. Certainly, these guesses should not be presented as fact. Desperate people will look for anything that represents an alternative to treatment as usual. Impeccably pure logic yields fallacious results in the absence of accurate information.
An interesting phenomenon in my case is that during a period of worsened depression, bruxism appears or gets worse. Dosage adjustments can produce an improvement in depressive symptoms for me, including bruxism. Bruxism is sometimes a symptom of depression. If, however, it is due to SRI drugs, one way to mitigate it is to take buspirone. Perhaps adding another drug that acts similarly as a 5-HT1a receptor partial agonist would help. I don't know.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 28, 2015, at 12:52:27
In reply to Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 10:42:06
I used to grind my teeth something awful on Effecor and other ADs.
Posted by Chris O on August 30, 2015, at 4:38:33
In reply to Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2015, at 10:42:06
I have had nightly teeth grinding all my life. I wear a grind guard. Have been wearing it for, oh, about 12 years. My dentist diagnosed this when I was in my 20s. He told me my teeth were being ground down. It is from my anxiety. On any SSRI or SNRI, the grinding is worse for me. So, I definitely think Effexor could cause this (especially with its activating qualities). Ever consider getting a grind guard? It may help by spreading the grinding evenly around your jaw/teeth/mouth.
Chris
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 1, 2015, at 8:02:04
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor? » Lamdage22, posted by Chris O on August 30, 2015, at 4:38:33
i have one chris.
Dont like the thing but its a necessity.
Posted by Chris O on September 1, 2015, at 18:42:28
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor?, posted by Lamdage22 on September 1, 2015, at 8:02:04
Does it help you? I think my grind guard helps me. I still have gum recession from the grinding. I've had gingival grafting done on three teeth and I need to do it again for multiple others, but it's so damn expensive, I haven't had the money to take care of it.
I definitely think the Effexor could be the cause of your jaw tension/teeth grinding. Effexor was super activating for me. Hope it gets better for you.
Chris
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 9, 2015, at 6:05:57
In reply to Re: Nightly teeth grinding: From effexor? » Lamdage22, posted by Chris O on September 1, 2015, at 18:42:28
yes it helps.
I wasnt aware that gums can disappear as a result of tooth grinding. My next dentist appointment is next week.
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