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Posted by kirkglen on November 17, 2014, at 14:18:53
Hey
I don't know how the vitamins and ambilify is helping you but from your posts not very good.
I would like for you to consider Nardil. I know you've used it in the past and said it pooped out on you. I just can't imagine Nardil doing that.
I feel Nardil is the best medicine on the market for numerous mental disorders. I also know mental disorders are a symptom of an underlying problem such as our digestive system.
Thomatheus I don't know what I suffer from but I've been in the deepest dark holes one can imagine. Nardil brought me back.
I used Nardil for @26 yrs.and went to the SSRI's and SNRI's for 2 years. They put me into never-never land. I went back to Nardil for 2 yrs. and lost faith as it did nothing for me. I was using the Phizer (msp) brand. I finally insisted on the Gavis brand. The first script arrived in a brown bottle with 180 pills inside. When I opened it I could smell a sulfur compound.
It didn't help at all.I called Gavis and found out they bottled in a 60 pill bottle sealed with a desiccant inside. I got with the pharmacy and insisted my script be the same. They were dumping it into "1" bottle to save shipping costs. As you know any sulfur compound is very reactive with moisture. So the desiccant is extremely important.
Anyway I started at 45 mg/day and went to 90mg/day within a week. 60 mg in AM and 30 mg in PM. 8 weeks later it kicked in and would guess I'm at 95% of the old Parke Davis formula.
Phenylzine sulfate was developed for Parkinsons as the researcher's wife had that. I believe Nardil drives numerous neurotransmitters. Today research is still going on MAOI's to treat Parkinsons.
Bottom line Thomatheus, I want to see you move out of the state your in. If the Ambilify isn't helping please consider Gavis Nardil.
Posted by Tomatheus on November 17, 2014, at 17:50:54
In reply to Thomatheus, posted by kirkglen on November 17, 2014, at 14:18:53
Kirkglen,
Thank you for your concerns about my mental health and for suggesting that I consider trying the Gavis phenelzine. I don't post here on Psycho-Babble every time I try a new treatment for my affective psychosis, but just so you know, I am in the midst of trialing a supplement called monolaurin alongside my regular regimen of Abilify, niacin, and vitamin D3. Monolaurin, from my understanding, has the ability to deactivate a range of different disease-causing microorganisms and is sometimes used by patients whose energy levels are chronically low as mind tend to be. I thought that I could potentially benefit from monolaurin both because it's used for chronic low-energy states and because I likely have some sort of chronic infection, given that my white blood cell count has come back as elevated several times over the past eight years. So far, I've been noticing a clear reduction in the severity of my fatigue, difficulty concentrating, and oversleeping since starting monolaurin, and much unlike other supplements that I've tried, monolaurin's benefits have actually seemed to strengthen with time. Having said what I've said, today is only my fourth day taking monolaurin, so I really have no idea how the supplement is going to affect me over a longer period of time. Those who've read a lot of my relatively recent posts here on Psycho-Babble, particularly those on the alternative board, know that I've had a good number of supplements seem to boost my energy and concentration right off the bat only to seemingly become ineffective later on. Monolaurin is a supplement that I've taken before, but I can't remember for sure if it seemed to stop working for me previously or if I stopped it for a different reason. Sure, there's a chance that monolaurin's benefits might last for me, but if it ends up being like almost every other supplement that I've tried, the benefits will end up being short lived.
So, for now, I do plan to continue with my monolaurin trial in hopes that the supplement might become a useful part of my treatment regimen over the long haul. If my response to the monolaurin fades, however, I will have to try a different approach as far as my treatment is concerned. Certainly, asking my psychiatrist about the Gavis phenelzine is one option that I would want to consider. As far as my symptoms of fatigue, difficulty concentrating, slowed thinking, and oversleeping are concerned, Nardil is probably the only treatment that I've tried (certainly the only psychiatric medication) that's considerably reduced the severity of those symptoms for an extended period of time. Given the fact that it is the above-mentioned symptoms that I feel cause me the most impairment currently, asking my psychiatrist about the Gavis phenelzine might make some sense at this point. And I know that if my symptoms were exactly the same as they were the last time I took Nardil, I'd be doing everything I can to ensure that the Gavis version of phenelzine would at least be part of my treatment regimen. As you've mentioned, the Gavis version of phenelzine can be dispensed in bottles that contain a desiccant, and that particular version of phenelzine also hasn't been known for having problems with bad batches, as the Pfizer version at least was in the past. I strongly suspect that the reason why Nardil Pfizer's Nardil seemed to both suddenly stop working and suddenly produce severe side effects was because I received a bad batch of the medication from my pharmacy. Not only did the medication seem to stop working and produce stronger-than-usual side effects very suddenly before I discontinued it, but it also crushed up differently (and I crushed up the tablets to put them into enteric capsules at the time), indicating that something about the pills was different.
Anyway, the point that I've been try make is that there clearly are some reasons as to why I'd want to consider asking my psychiatrist about the Gavis version of phenelzine. At the same time, though, there are some reasons why trying any version of Nardil/phenelzine at this juncture might not be a good idea, namely that getting a prescription for Nardil/phenelzine for a disorder that has some psychotic features would be difficult, that Nardil/phenelzine might exacerbate some of my psychotic symptoms, and that there might be other treatment choices that would be better options at this point. Despite the fact that I once found Nardil to be very beneficial as a treatment, if my fatigue and related symptoms are actually caused by whatever chronic infection I seem to have, it might be a better idea to inquire with a medical professional about a medication that would target the infection in question, as opposed to a psychiatric medication that targets neurotransmitters. To me, getting to the root of my illness, if that can be done, would be preferable to treating mere symptoms (assuming that Nardil would even succeed at doing that).
At any rate, regardless as to what my next treatment move might be if my monolaurin trial doesn't end with success, I will heed your words and consider asking my psychiatrist about the Gavis version of phenelzine. As I said above, I do have a few reservations about taking Nardil/phenelzine again, but I do think that the Gavis version of phenelzine is something that ought to be up for consideration as part of my treatment if my monolaurin trial doesn't work out.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 18, 2014, at 5:35:42
In reply to Re: Thomatheus » kirkglen, posted by Tomatheus on November 17, 2014, at 17:50:54
I dont think thats a good idea considering that Tomatheus already faces psychotic symptoms as it is.
It probably wouldnt get any better with Nardil.
I know Nardil is great and all but not for anyone suffering from psychosis or anyone prone to psychosis.
Posted by kirkglen on November 18, 2014, at 9:37:01
In reply to Re: Thomatheus » kirkglen, posted by Tomatheus on November 17, 2014, at 17:50:54
Thomatheus
Kind of coincidental you mention an underlying infection. I just got off a 15 day trip of antibiotics. Tired, sleepy, etc. I've found I have to do that several times a year.
My doc never could determine where the infection was. He just started the antibiotics.
Forgive me for pushing Nardil so hard, I just feel it's a miracle drug. As you say it's not a cure but the quality of my life improves greatly.
Posted by Tomatheus on November 18, 2014, at 16:24:22
In reply to Re: Thomatheus, posted by kirkglen on November 18, 2014, at 9:37:01
Lamdage22 & Kirkglen,
Thank you for your opinions. I appreciate your input.
Kirkglen, I don't fault you for wanting to spread the word about the Gavis version of phenelzine, given the extent to which you've benefited from the medication. And can also definitely see why Nardil/phenelzine is a medication that you'd like to keep taking, even though it might not target the underlying cause of your illness. As I said in my long post from yesterday, I have some reservations about taking Nardil/phenelzine at this juncture, but I do think that the medication is something that I shouldn't completely forget about, especially given the fact that I did benefit a great deal from it at one point.
Take care guys,
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 19, 2014, at 7:21:17
In reply to Re: Thomatheus, posted by Tomatheus on November 18, 2014, at 16:24:22
Thats good news, kirk.
But Maoi can really set you back if you are prone to psychosis. You might think its possible to counter the "pro-psychoticness" from Nardil or Parnate with more antipsychotics but in my case that wasnt possible. God knows ive tried.
If i recall correctly, Tomatheus, you dont want to take more than 5mg of Abilify.
I dont think Nardil would work out for you and it may set you back by either causing you to need more of the abilify than you take now in order to stay sane or straight psychosis.
I can see the desperation but i would be very cautious with Maoi.
I have kind of distanced myself from (current) ADs..
I cant see many people that improve and i think that many that do experience some form of placebo. SSRI? The latest in science? Placebo: 30% improved, SSRI: 40%.It doesnt seem to adress the leading cause of depression, does it?
Im waiting for the new stuff. And i hope its not just some marketing fairytale as with SSRI. And even if they did help more than squat, they kill your ability for orgasm.
Maoi seem the only ADs worth mentioning, but not so if you have any tendency for psychosis.
Tricyclics can prolong qt (just as APs, therefore combination is difficult). That leaves Remeron as the only option. It does more than squat, but it also makes you fat and it gives me nightmaires.
I thought about the addition of Prazosin, but i dont think i could drive anymore with Remeron and Prazosin ontop of Seroquel.
Long story short i am waiting for the new stuff and i have vicarious embarassment for docs that still believe that SSRI are good and prescribe them. It is a shame how so many people are fooled.
Posted by Lamdage22 on November 19, 2014, at 7:24:37
In reply to Re: Thomatheus, posted by Lamdage22 on November 19, 2014, at 7:21:17
Some idiot doctors praise SSRI as "the best" and they use the term SSRI in the same sentence with "depression nowadays is well treatable".
Embarassing.. self inflicted brainwash.
Maybe this is a new cult: The SSRI witnesses?
lol
Posted by kirkglen on November 19, 2014, at 11:51:15
In reply to Re: Thomatheus, posted by Lamdage22 on November 19, 2014, at 7:24:37
I totally agree SSRI's and SNRI'S are a joke!!!!!!!
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