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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2014, at 9:23:26
In reply to My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 8:25:00
> What do you think about that? He specifically mentions pro noradrenaline effects of drugs being responsible for psychosis.
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> Also he thinks i have no depression, just schizophrenia. I am smart enough to not say anything as maybe he will take over my schizo-affective diagnosis by mistake.
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> I could only make it worse. You all know its futile to argue with this type of psychiatrist.
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> He knows everything, right? ;) Of course!L,
Here is a link that could give educational information as to that psychotropic drugs can cause permanent brain damage
Lou
http://www.mindfreedom.org/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage
Posted by Phillipa on October 13, 2014, at 9:48:27
In reply to My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 8:25:00
Is this common in Europe? As Jeroen seems to have the same problem with his docs. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 10:27:40
In reply to My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 8:25:00
Phillipa,
you mean misdiagnosis? Perhaps it is. I had been labeled schizophrenic in the US, too though once.
If it is very severe they call you schizophrenic.
My current dumb Dr calls me schizophrenic just for the heck of it. Just like he says norepinephrine is responsible for the psychosis.
Is he dumb? Its freakin Dopamine!!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 10:29:08
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 10:27:40
I need to access my earlier posts to remind me of the other misconception my doctor has managed to do.
I need to make his diagnosis look dumb next to the diagnosis of the pdoc i had before. She didn't talk crap like that. at all.
Posted by Christ_empowered on October 13, 2014, at 10:30:52
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 10:27:40
psychiatry is NOT science based. At best, they match the best possible pills to the right patients. More often, its a form of social control and forcing the values of a society (usually a more conservative form) onto wayward people.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 11:55:06
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Christ_empowered on October 13, 2014, at 10:30:52
I hear your criticism, but i don't feel that way.
Besides i wouldn't consider myself as wayward. I conform with most of societies norms and i don't have a problem with them.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 12:07:44
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 11:55:06
Psychiatry is based on educated guesses.
And its the best we have and many people would be way way worse without it.
Maybe in your country mental health people aren't as supportive, but that doesn't mean psychiatry in every country is the same.
I do feel that a substantial part of the people working in mental health genuinely want to help. That a substantial part of all people want to help.
I would ask for whom is it a way of controlling wayward people? Why would people even bother. I don't think they do and with all respect, i think you are being paranoid.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 12:17:20
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 12:07:44
I call it people what you call psychiatry.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 12:34:08
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 12:17:20
Maybe you will change your thinking when you make a positive experience. I am sorry that this is the way that you got to know psychiatry. But you can leave it behind and start fresh.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 13:02:58
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 12:34:08
Im kind of sick of it. Thus my new signature.
Please excuse the fivefold post. It just really pisses me off. I have stuffed down so much in my discussion with Lou.This is what happens when i do that.
I am PISSED.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2014, at 15:21:17
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 13:02:58
> Im kind of sick of it. Thus my new signature.
> Please excuse the fivefold post. It just really pisses me off. I have stuffed down so much in my discussion with Lou.
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> This is what happens when i do that.
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> I am PISSED.
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> L,
You wrote,[...I'm kind of sick of it...It just really p*sses me off...I have stuffed down so much in my discussion with Lou...].
I am unsure as to what you want readers to think by what you have posted here where I could be thought to be a subject person in your post. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly
A. What is it that you are sick of?
B. What in your discussion with Lou (me) have you stuffed down?
C. Is the content in the link that I offered in this thread concerning that psychotropic drugs prescribed by a psychiatrist/doctor coulod cause brain damage any part of what you are sick of or p*ssed about? If so, what is it in that link that cause such to you?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 13, 2014, at 20:13:05
In reply to Lou's request-brayndamij » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2014, at 15:21:17
Lou first of all it says the link doesn't exist. Please do not discuss an illness unless this is also your diagnosis? Or you have helpful information.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2014, at 20:45:33
In reply to Re: Lou's request-brayndamij » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 13, 2014, at 20:13:05
> Lou first of all it says the link doesn't exist. Please do not discuss an illness unless this is also your diagnosis? Or you have helpful information.
P,
You wrote the above.
Now the issue as to that there is a statement in the page that my link brings up that the link itself doesn't work. But there is a like a table of contents of articles concerning in part brain damage from psychotropic drugs that one can chose from. This is the proper way to use links here to show a tale of contents in some way rather than just post the link to the article. The reasoning behind this may be known by few here, but it involves my protestation of the anti-Semitic propaganda being allowed to be seen as civil and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in Mr.Hsiung's thinking to do so. There could be a few readers here like gardenergirl, Dinah, Aunti Mel, racer and 10-- that know of this and see the merits in what I am doing in respect to posting links here.
But it is much more than that. For the articles that one can chose from IMHO could save one's life and prevent life-ruing conditions and addictions. That could be very helpful in any forum, unless he forum wants brain damage and addiction and death to abound.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 13, 2014, at 21:36:12
In reply to Lou's reply-gauxondrgin » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2014, at 20:45:33
Lou wow that is old as most of the posters you mentioned no longer visit or comment on this site. Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 0:18:27
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gauxondrgin » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 13, 2014, at 21:36:12
Well, Lou,
it makes me angry because Psychiatry has probably saved my life in the progress. What i don't understand is that psychiatry (and meds) are being attacked as a whole.
No distinctions are being made.
Those conspiracy theories have brought nothing but severe suffering for me and the people around me. Perhaps they might have even led to suicide if i wasn't as strong as i am.
This is why i don't want to hear it. There are doctors, mental health workers and meds that genuinely help people.These posts of you and others are very inciting.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 6:22:44
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gauxondrgin, posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 0:18:27
L,
You wrote,[...These posts...are inciting...].
Which post could you post a link to here now to substantiate your claim?
You wrote,[...I don't want to hear it...]
You are not required to read my posts here. Different points of view are accepted to be posted here. What you could do is to post articles that refute what is in the articles that I offer readers to see here and they chose to either read them or not so others could chose as to read whatever articles, if any, you post to refute what the research articles that I post show. Then readers could make a more -informed decision as to take these drugs or not by seeing what could happen to them if they do take them
I am trying to save lives here and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. I think that I can do that by:
A. Showing research articles that show that psychotropic drugs can cause brain damage
B. Showing statistics that indicate that death could result from these drugs and combinations of these drugs, that people list that they are taking here.
C. Showing that the withdrawal from these drugs could induce suicidal/murder ideation
D Showing that tardive dyskinesia can be a result of taking these drugs listed by members here.
E. Continuing in my efforts to have Mr. Hsiung post a repudiation to posts that contain anti-Semitic propaganda and defamation against me here where these posts are originally posted, for I say they are not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, nor are they supportive, nor will they be good for this community as a whole in my thinking to remain to be seen as civil where they are originally posted even though Mr Hsiung says that in his thinking it will be good for this community as a whole to allow the statements with anti-Semitic propaganda to remain as to be seen as civil and supportive here. I will continue to attempt to stop him and any deputy of record to allow that here on the basis that I am trying to save lives and for a community to allow what could be determined to be state-sponsored hatred toward the Jews on the basis that the administration says that it will be good for this community as a whole for anti-Semitic propaganda to be allowed to be seen as civil here, and supportive, could induce hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions against Jews and decrease the respect and regard and confidence in what I write here as a Jew here. By anyone harboring that type of hate, IMHO and opinions of some psychiatrists, those harboring the hate could be compelled to kill themselves and/or others. If anyone may think that is supportive, I don't.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2014, at 18:29:49
In reply to Lou's reply-eyedoent » Lamdage22, posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2014, at 6:22:44
Oh Lou stop. I know you mean well. But I do feel you need to take care of you first. Maybe you take meds for your heart, blood pressure, cholestrol are they going to destroy you and cause others to be antisemetic? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 14, 2014, at 23:45:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-gauxondrgin, posted by Lamdage22 on October 14, 2014, at 0:18:27
> it makes me angry because Psychiatry has probably saved my life in the progress. What i don't understand is that psychiatry (and meds) are being attacked as a whole.
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> No distinctions are being made.
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> Those conspiracy theories have brought nothing but severe suffering for me and the people around me. Perhaps they might have even led to suicide if i wasn't as strong as i am.
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> This is why i don't want to hear it. There are doctors, mental health workers and meds that genuinely help people.Since you started this thread, I want you to feel supported by it. I take it you don't want to hear psychiatry (and meds) being attacked. Is that right? Anything else?
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 15, 2014, at 6:50:02
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-eyedoent » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2014, at 18:29:49
> Oh Lou stop. I know you mean well. But I do feel you need to take care of you first. Maybe you take meds for your heart, blood pressure, cholestrol are they going to destroy you and cause others to be antisemetic? Phillipa
P,
You wrote,[...Lou stop...you need to take care of you first...are drugs for heart and blood pressure going to destroy you and cause others to be anti-Semitic?...].
The subject drugs here are those that are mind-altering chemicals that are different from the medicines that you have listed as for heart and blood pressure and such. As to them causing others to be anti-Semitic, since they do not induce a mind-altered state as the psychoactive drugs do, I do not think that people taking blood pressure medicines could cause them to be anti-Semitic. But it is much more than that. You see, it is not the drug that causes people to be anti-Semitic. Antisemitism as hatred toward the Jews is generally instilled into people by propaganda directed to dehumanize Jews and use them as scapegoats for the real or imagined ills of a community. The propaganda usually portrays Jews falsely and accuses them. The propaganda generally used to taunt and mock and ridicule Jews is to falsely depict them as inferior people with an inferior religion that bars them from entering heaven. By a community allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive, a Jew in the community could have their respect and regard and confidence decreased and have hostile and disagreeable feelings and opinions induced into the members of the community to be against the Jew, which is a generally accepted definition of what anti-Semitism is. It is this {against the Jew} propaganda if allowed to be seen as supportive in a community, that can cause anti-Semitism in the minds of the community members. And when those members are under the influence of mind-altering drugs, the suggestion by the community leaders that it will be good for the community as a whole for anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive, could foster, create and develop anti-Semitic hate in the minds of the community members. For they could think (falsely) that anti-Semitism is supportive and it will be good for the community as a whole in the leader's thinking to allow the anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive. It's not the drug, it's the motion.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 15, 2014, at 8:19:09
In reply to Re: i don't want to hear it » Lamdage22, posted by Dr. Bob on October 14, 2014, at 23:45:47
> Since you started this thread, I want you to feel supported by it. I take it you don't want to hear psychiatry (and meds) being attacked. Is that right? Anything else?
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> BobThanks Dr Bob. Hmm. Well i wanted to know if there is anything to this hypothesis that meds that are increasing noradrenaline are causing psychosis. I don't feel like my current Dr. is very competent.
And i want to make a case against his potential diagnosis. If everyone was listening to him it would be Schizophrenia plain and simple. I want to be prepared for that. It still says schizo-affective on my file, but idk what will stand on the paper that i will have to hand over to my future Dr.
My doctor i had in the clinic before i came here to the rehab place was, to my mind, much more competent and diagnosed my as Schizo-Affective. Unfortunately i can't call her she is on vacation. I will definitely take her doctors letter with the schizo-affective diagnosis with me to my FUTURE doc.
So, i am in this rehab place now with (to my mind) the stupid doc. When i get out of this rehab place, i will have to go to a new doctor and i want him to prescribe me meds against depression that i DO have. Thats why i want to get as much evidence as i can that i am truly schizo-affective, depressive type.
Well i guess i just wanted support for that. Not discuss if Psychiatry as a whole is validated or not, because i think it is.
And yes, i am being annoyed. So many people work in Psychiatry, who are you guys to judge them all? How would you know their motives?
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 15, 2014, at 8:23:56
In reply to Re: i don't want to hear it, posted by Lamdage22 on October 15, 2014, at 8:19:09
And i am also collecting the dumb quotes he makes.
I want my future doctor to believe me that i am schizo-affective depressive type and i am scared he doesn't.
If he doesn't, i may not get those new treatments that are currently being investigated.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 17, 2014, at 21:11:43
In reply to Re: i don't want to hear it, posted by Lamdage22 on October 15, 2014, at 8:19:09
> Thanks Dr Bob. Hmm. Well i wanted to know if there is anything to this hypothesis that meds that are increasing noradrenaline are causing psychosis.
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> i want to get as much evidence as i can that i am truly schizo-affective, depressive type.
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> Well i guess i just wanted support for that.OK, let's keep the focus of this thread on those two topics. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by phidippus on October 20, 2014, at 20:41:29
In reply to My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 13, 2014, at 8:25:00
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 21, 2014, at 9:28:54
In reply to Re: My doctor thinks NE is responsible for psychosis! (nm), posted by phidippus on October 20, 2014, at 20:41:29
Phidippus,
what does your post mean??
Posted by Phil on October 21, 2014, at 9:58:17
In reply to Lou's reply-itznotdhadrug » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on October 15, 2014, at 6:50:02
Jesus Christ on a cracker, Lou.
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