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Posted by Christ_empowered on May 8, 2014, at 23:18:21
does psychiatry create loads of victims? I used to be one. I don't know what happened--I'm thinking divine intervention--but now I'm a lot better. Then again..I lost out on what could have/should have been productive years of my life. Oops.
Posted by poser938 on May 9, 2014, at 2:13:14
In reply to psychiatric casualties, posted by Christ_empowered on May 8, 2014, at 23:18:21
I'm a casualty of psychiatry.
before stepping into the world of psychiatry, i could just pray about thingd, hope for thr best and just go on about my day and live a pretty normal life.
now, 9 years later i feel like i don't even fit in with mentally ill people, much less mentally healthy people. my experience with psychiatry seems to be the part thats just swept under the rug. Medications have turned me into a person with no petsonality. i can't have friends. i can't get along with family. i can't experience many things about life that normal people experience.
and it doesnt matter how long i go without meds, i never revert back to my pre-medication state.i don't know what else to do except try more treatments to try improving my mental health.
and lately, I've been just short of getting knees and begging to have ECT done, knowing i could be just begging to have a treatment done that is only going to harm me even more. but this is what psychiatry is making me do, because i have no other choice. And i can't tell you I've heard.anything from God in years... he seems to have disapeared along with the rest of my life.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2014, at 5:39:40
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties, posted by poser938 on May 9, 2014, at 2:13:14
> I'm a casualty of psychiatry.
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> before stepping into the world of psychiatry, i could just pray about thingd, hope for thr best and just go on about my day and live a pretty normal life.
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> now, 9 years later i feel like i don't even fit in with mentally ill people, much less mentally healthy people. my experience with psychiatry seems to be the part thats just swept under the rug. Medications have turned me into a person with no petsonality. i can't have friends. i can't get along with family. i can't experience many things about life that normal people experience.
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> and it doesnt matter how long i go without meds, i never revert back to my pre-medication state.i don't know what else to do except try more treatments to try improving my mental health.
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> and lately, I've been just short of getting knees and begging to have ECT done, knowing i could be just begging to have a treatment done that is only going to harm me even more. but this is what psychiatry is making me do, because i have no other choice. And i can't tell you I've heard.anything from God in years... he seems to have disapeared along with the rest of my life.poser938,
You wrote,[...I'm a casualty of psychiatry...turned me into a person with no pe(r)sonality...I never revert back...(I) have no other choice...(H)e seems to have disappeared along with the rest of my life...].
You may have read where I have posted about {The Great Gulf} and {The Great Deception} here. And you may have read the dialog between myself and Mr. Hsiung here on the administrative board. That dialog could be about you and all those that want to be free from the effects of psychiatric drugs and be led out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light and I invite you and others to go to the administrative board t participate in the ongoing {Hsiung-Pider discussion}.
But there is that Mr. Hsiung has prohibitions to me here so that I am prevented from posting what I think could give you the knowledge to overcome your state of mind and become a whole new creature, free from the damage of the medications a psychiatrist gave you. You see, these drugs have chemical constituents that are also in {nerve agents}, some used to kill insects and parasitic worms and also used in the commission of mass-murder. One of the prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung prevents me from showing the relationship of psychiatry to mass-murder and also how the drugs in question have a history of the development to alter the minds of those taking the drugs so that they could be manipulated easily and could kill them.
You see, this {Great Gulf} that separates one from life and death, also has a way to Passover from the death state to the state of abundant life. I am prevented from posting here how one could Passover the Great Gulf, for it entails the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me, which is prohibited for me to post by the rules to me from Mr. Hsiung.
But before you go to have ECT on yourself, do you think that psychiatry could have you to overcome the death state and Passover the Great Gulf considering what you have gone through in the past 9 years having taken psychiatry's mind-altering drugs? Drugs that could maim and destroy a person's personality and induce life-ruining conditions, addictions, and induce a mind-altering state to compel the taker of the drug to kill themselves and/or others and even commit mass-murder or just have the drug kill them?
I just completed reading a long research report that the researcher showed that one particular psychiatric drug has killed 200,000 people so far. Then there was a counter-argument and that a researcher concluded that the drug only killed 170,000 people. I post this here to show (redacted by respondent) and hope that you understand. For look here of those in misery and suffering from psychiatric drugs and addicted and in horrible depression and have tardive dyskinesia that mimics the effects of one dying after given the chemicals used in drugs used in mass-murder.
I didn't know that this site was loaded, loaded to allow the foundation of hatred toward the Jews to be posted here to be seen as civil and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole according to Mr. Hsiung' terms of service here, in that the statement, {No non-Christian will enter heaven}, is allowed, yet the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibited for me to post here by Mr. Hsiung. And I'm so sorry, my friend.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on May 9, 2014, at 10:24:50
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties, posted by poser938 on May 9, 2014, at 2:13:14
I think small doses of meds and not a lot and one can feel better. Phillipa
Posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2014, at 12:50:48
In reply to psychiatric casualties, posted by Christ_empowered on May 8, 2014, at 23:18:21
Christ_empowered,
If you don't mind me asking, do you think that the psychiatric treatment that you've received is at least part of the reason why you're a lot better now, or would you say that the improvements that you've noticed have occurred despite psychiatry?
To answer your question about psychiatry creating victims, I think that it can be difficult to tell the difference between a person who might be a "victim" of psychiatry (someone who's experienced harm from medications and other treatments) and someone whose psychiatric condition just naturally changed course and would have done so without psychiatric interventions. And I think that it's possible that in some cases, both forces might be at work: One might experience both a worsening of symptoms and long-term adverse effects from medications or other treatments. Of course, I'm just speculating as to what might be possible, partially based on my own experiences and the experiences of others that I've read. I'm not necessarily saying that there's any hard evidence to back up my speculations.
Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2014, at 13:26:02
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties, posted by poser938 on May 9, 2014, at 2:13:14
Poser938,
Have you considered visiting a treatment center that follows the practices of orthomolecular psychiatry? I will say up front that visiting an orthomolecular doctor can be expensive and that treatment centers that specialize in orthomolecular psychiatry can be hard to find, but I think that orthomolecular treatment is advantageous because it offers treatments based on actual laboratory tests instead of following mainstream psychiatry's trial-and-error approach that seems to get a lot of patients nowhere. If I didn't visit an orthomolecular treatment center, I never would have known that I had an insufficient level of vitamin D. Now, I'm taking vitamin D3 and might actually be starting to notice some long-term benefits from supplementation. There are also other biochemical "imbalances" that orthomolecular doctors can test for, such as abnormal histamine levels (which are believed to correspond to abnormal methylation), abnormal copper and/or zinc levels, and abnormally high levels of a chemical in the urine called the pyrrole. I know that the person who started this thread (Christ_empowered) uses his own sort of do-it-yourself version of orthomolecular psychiatry and seems to benefit from it. You can ask Christ_empowered himself for more details on the orthomolecular regimen that he follows.
Anyway, unlike ECT, orthomolecular psychiatric treatments are not likely to produce strong adverse effects, and I would say that long-term adverse effects from orthomolecular treatments are unheard of. And as I said, there is in my opinion a lot less guesswork with orthomolecular psychiatry than there is with mainstream psychiatry. The treatments that orthomolecular doctors recommend are based not only on the doctor's evaluation of your symptoms, but also on the results of the laboratory tests, which I think increases the likelihood that the treatments will work. Even if you feel that all of the problems with your mental functioning are due to medications that you've taken, maybe going to an orthomolecular doctor will reveal something that can be treated.
So, all I'm asking you to do is to weigh whether going to an orthomolecular doctor might be an option for you, assuming you can afford to the services of an orthomolecular doctor and find a doctor who's close to you. I certainly don't think that there's a guarantee that orthomolecular treatment will produce results, but I do think that orthomolecular treatments are a lot more targeted toward individual biochemical abnormalities and a lot less likely to produce harmful adverse effects than ECT is.
So, I just wanted to put that out there as an alternative to ECT that you might want to look into. I do, however, wish you luck with whatever treatment approach you decide to go ahead with next.
Tomatheus
Posted by Phil on May 9, 2014, at 18:04:25
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties » poser938, posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2014, at 13:26:02
if someone feels like a victim but blames anyone else or a pill or a profession. no one can be made a victim without their permission. it's history.
i have the same frustrations but no one but me swallowed the next pill.
no one told me i had to.if lung cancer patient screaming at big tobacco because it was their fault...well. yeah, they are clever but we've known the truth since the 60s. we still smoke and bring a class action suit against tobacco because we don't want to look in the mirror.
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 10, 2014, at 0:40:23
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no, posted by Phil on May 9, 2014, at 18:04:25
OK. I was involuntarily ECT'd into oblivion. I mean, I was shocked back to the stone age, at age 23.
I don't buy this self-help "don't be a victim" BS. It ignores the facts.
Posted by poser938 on May 10, 2014, at 3:18:58
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties » poser938, posted by Tomatheus on May 9, 2014, at 13:26:02
Thanks Tomatheus , orthomolecular psychiatry sounds interesting. I'm going to look it up.
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 10, 2014, at 3:38:54
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties, posted by poser938 on May 10, 2014, at 3:18:58
First off, sorry about my post re: Phil. I could have been a lot more tactful and expressed my opinion--which is that psychiatry does create victims, and spends a lot of $$$ doing so--better. Sorry.
But, yeah, OM...I do it...its awesome. Ideally, you'd go to somebody. That said, the old school OM people, like Hoffer, didn't do a whole of blood tests. The old school combo--c, e, b3, b-complex, selenium, zinc, b6, plus meds--is pretty easy to do yourself.I do old school @ high doses, with time release c and b-complex, plus a few other things (taurine, for instance) that weren't as widely available way back when. The niacinamide (my preferred form of b3)+taurine combo has really calmed me down tremendously.
Posted by europerep on May 10, 2014, at 5:18:14
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no, posted by Christ_empowered on May 10, 2014, at 0:40:23
> OK. I was involuntarily ECT'd into oblivion.
It is worth noting that, not too long ago, you were still "thinking" or "suspecting" you had forced ECT, without any kind of proof. I think you have never had ECT, and the fact that you believe it looks more like a symptom of your illness to me.
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 10, 2014, at 5:19:02
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no » Christ_empowered, posted by europerep on May 10, 2014, at 5:18:14
please don't diagnose me.
Posted by poser938 on May 10, 2014, at 5:43:47
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no, posted by Christ_empowered on May 10, 2014, at 5:19:02
Christ_Empowered, this is often how it goes for people who have had a bad experience with psychiatry. Others seem to get offended when you mention your experience.
that's why I said I don't even fit in with others who have mental health problems.
Posted by europerep on May 10, 2014, at 11:37:16
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no, posted by poser938 on May 10, 2014, at 5:43:47
> Others seem to get offended when you mention your experience.
It works the other way around. People who see themselves as "victims of psychiatry" feel offended when one tries to inject some rationality in the debate.
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 11, 2014, at 8:11:39
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no » poser938, posted by europerep on May 10, 2014, at 11:37:16
> People who see themselves as "victims of psychiatry" feel offended when one tries to inject some rationality in the debate.
I wonder if forced "rationality" and forced ECT could be examples of the same dynamic. Somebody thinks somebody else needs something, so they give it to them.
Bob
Posted by kirkglen on May 11, 2014, at 10:58:46
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no » poser938, posted by europerep on May 10, 2014, at 11:37:16
One has to understand we haven't scratched the surface of mental illness. We've even labeled it a "disease" and have no proof. Their may be victims, but not a true "victims". Each of us were so
miserable we "asked" for anything that may offer relief.I read here about people considering ECT and a lot of us telling them no no no.
Well when I was in my deepest hole I asked for a lobotomy. I needed something to stop the pain. Was I a victim, hell no, I would eaten dog sh*t if I thought it would help.
Fortunately I didn't have a lobotomy or eat dog sh*t. Several months later a new drug was approved. Nardil was my life saver.
Posted by poser938 on May 11, 2014, at 13:51:50
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no, posted by kirkglen on May 11, 2014, at 10:58:46
See, the world being too blind to see psychiatrys victims is only paving the way for more victims.
All I ask for is informed consent.many of us don't get upset about something until it reached the national media. we're you busy talking about Benghazi or Global Warming or Tax Increases or if Barack Obama played golf today, to realize that the most serious problems are happening right next door. and these are the problems no one.wants to deal with. so they're discredited in some way. if they were talked about on the news more, more people would be talking about it, and fewer peoples suffering wouldn't go unnoticed.
you hear about ignorance being bliss, and I've realized how true that is.
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 11, 2014, at 14:41:48
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties - no, posted by poser938 on May 11, 2014, at 13:51:50
jargon and mystification are key to psychiatry's "treatment" methods. Its b*llsh*t.
Posted by europerep on May 11, 2014, at 15:33:27
In reply to Re: casualties, posted by Dr. Bob on May 11, 2014, at 8:11:39
> I wonder if forced "rationality" and forced ECT could be examples of the same dynamic. Somebody thinks somebody else needs something, so they give it to them.
That analogy is flawed in so many ways. To pick just the most important one: I'm not forcing rationality on anyone. What CE, or any other poster for that matter, thinks, is largely irrelevant for me. It's when people come on the internet to "share their story", implicitly or explicitly criticizing "policy", that I think rationality is important. And poser's last post is rather explicitly policy-related.
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In reply to psychiatric casualties, posted by Christ_empowered on May 8, 2014, at 23:18:21
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Posted by spemat on May 17, 2014, at 19:21:24
In reply to psychiatric casualties, posted by Christ_empowered on May 8, 2014, at 23:18:21
I was hyper early on and manias came every summer. in the sense that psychiatry was hard line, overmedicated, hospitalized me in the worst places and my mom with borderline PD just wanted me out cold, I wasn't given a voice but I was defiant so I skipped a lot of meds etc and didn't end up like that "the Medicated Child" kid with the tics. I think since I had clear long mania with no sleep and that wasn't a kid issue, it was hard to treat me. A 2 week stay for an argument with my mom was nuts. the police thinking abuse I reported was "manic stories" and my mom pushing that etc. I was a kid that needed parenting and treatment outside of that relationship but my mother med managed and that was abuse but since I woke up and denied her a release years ago, she had no power and targeted my half brother so I was good.
Posted by spemat on May 17, 2014, at 19:29:18
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties, posted by spemat on May 17, 2014, at 19:21:24
I sadly am a bisexual male so I am sure that any of the Abrahamic faiths would want to help because although we aren't gay and gay people tend to not like us way more, we are clustered into that by liberal white americans but gay and lesbian agendas deny our existence while they defile and disrespect the church. I am not a fan of that. I am not insecure but I am also extremely smart. I am fluent in German and Farsi and speak French, Spanish, Italian and Romanian proficiently and I travel for seminars in numerous places for work etc. So I will catch these social workers talking to me like a kindergarten teacher and make them feel dumb.
Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2014, at 21:31:19
In reply to Re: psychiatric casualties, posted by spemat on May 17, 2014, at 19:29:18
My husband lived in Iran his Dad was in the Air Force and he taught the Iranian pilots to fly way back when. HE knows some Farsi from the years he spent living there. Phillipa
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