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Posted by Dinah on July 5, 2013, at 8:37:55
In reply to Re: warning new members » Dr. Bob, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2013, at 21:39:36
> This post does not reflect the views of most other posters. Some have problems they can't control at times Phillipa
I'm sorry, Phillipa. I made a suggestion that I thought might help, should Dr. Bob be unwilling to enforce previous rules on exaggeration and accusation. I'd far prefer he enforce them. But if he's not going to do that, I thought it might help if people understood Lou's agenda before they interpreted his posts.
And I tried to make my suggestion something that wasn't negative to Lou - something that Lou has said himself. I actually think it would be far kinder to just have Dr. Bob enforce the rules. But if that isn't possible, I was looking for a way to inform people who didn't know Lou.
Do you have a better suggestion? My thought wasn't the end of the conversation. You could suggest what warning you think would be helpful.
Posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2013, at 13:38:07
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by Dr. Bob on July 4, 2013, at 15:51:50
Can we suggest a warning for other posters or just Lou?
I mean can I suggest a warning to be posted about Dinah or any other specific poster as long as it's based on past posts by that person?
I don't think that's a good idea or likely to be useful.A general warning might be
You may find posts here you do not agree with or information you may find disturbing including information that psychiatric medication may cause violence or suicide. You may receive medical advice from unqualified people. You may receive advice from well meaning people which may cause you harm. You may encounter a variety of opinions which do not agree with yours. Open posts at your own risk.
Posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2013, at 13:50:53
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2013, at 13:38:07
to the faqs and pbcs etc etc etc has never solved a problem before and I don't think it will now. It will just clutter up the threads like the (nt) posts do now. A better place for it might be the entrance exam if you insist upon it.
Posted by Dinah on July 5, 2013, at 15:15:11
In reply to of course adding more layers of verbiage, posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2013, at 13:50:53
It's nice to see you again, zzd. I've been wondering how you were doing. How are you?
It certainly isn't the ideal solution, I agree.
Posted by Dinah on July 5, 2013, at 15:17:05
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2013, at 13:38:07
And of course I was in no way suggesting that it be at the top of the board or anything. Just that it was a possible response to try to head off trouble where trouble seemed likely.
Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2013, at 20:54:06
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by Dinah on July 5, 2013, at 15:17:05
Dinah I like this top of the board this way it signals no one in particular out. Although If it was my board the poster wouldn't be here anymore. I'm starting to think that said person is an attorney with threats of legal implications. As freedom of speech is legal. But then maybe the fact that the Faq's for the board are clearly stated like those in a game they should and can be enforced. How come there was a time when I first got here that the said poster was often blocked. I remember as I was asked to post for said poster that his home was open to babblers who had no where to stay after Katrina. Since I did But since I was new I didn't get blocked. Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on July 6, 2013, at 12:03:38
In reply to Re: warning new members » Dinah, posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2013, at 20:54:06
Again, I wasn't suggesting that it be placed at the top of Babble. I was only suggesting it as a possible pro-active response to posts that could well be seen as accusatory and cause distress in people who don't understand.
The goal being to help people understand Lou's motives.
I have no desire to ban Lou. I do remember his kindness after Katrina, and I do think that Lou believes he's doing the right thing. I think that's why criticism really doesn't much affect his behavior.
If you believed you had been visited by God, in the form of a Rider on the White Horse, and had been called to be something like a prophet of old to bring people from the darkness of psychiatric medications to the light of whatever it is happened past the lake of fire in the (was it eight?) gates, wouldn't you behave much as Lou has?
If you read about the prophets, they often used harsh language to try to get the people to see what God wanted of them. And they received, and expected, a certain amount of abuse.
I make an effort to try to remember all that, and to remember my issue isn't really with Lou so much as it is with Dr. Bob. He's the one with the power. And he's chosen to exercise it in a way I don't much like. But given that he appears to be stating firmly that he's not going to change that position, I am looking for ways to mitigate whatever damage to the board certain posting styles might cause.
I don't in any way think the explanation should be given before it's needed. But when there is an issue, I think understanding might help a poster deal with subject headers of "infanticide".
How posters choose to interpret the explanation is entirely up to them and their view of the world.
But if posters prefer to counter his position with facts about medication, I can accept that. It was just an idea.
Posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 15:44:06
In reply to Re: warning new members » Phillipa, posted by Dinah on July 6, 2013, at 12:03:38
Well I wouldn't want you doing that to me but Lou might appreciate the help getting his message out! Who knows?
He apologized for using the term infanticide. Time to drop that.
It's the posters responsibility to deal with her triggers not ours. She is not a victim. Lou did not cause her anxiety attack. Let's not go all Karpman here and try to rescue her.
I think Babble should celebrate Lou and try to build a community of people looking for a place with a resident prophet, an ironic Australian quoting leonard cohen, a duck singing show tunes, a high school graduate prescribing meds for all comers ,a retired prison nurse, the girl who loved bob crane and the shrink who was their king. There are scads of other places to hear the drug ads regurgitated with political correctness. We should try to fill a different niche.
In closing I would like to recommend that you adopt a Boxer. It Will Change Your Life.
Posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 16:05:52
In reply to Re: respecting old members » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 15:44:06
Please remember that this is after all a mental health board and the poster above is a duck
Posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 18:18:23
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by Dr. Bob on July 4, 2013, at 15:51:50
I'm getting bored. Would you like to institute voluntary blocks for worthy posters? I would like to participate in your new experimental management style but I am not having any fun at all. I came back to support Lou but I am too tired to educate all these people Sorry. Am I allowed to ask you if you have any hobbies besides babble now? I think I got banned for months over that didn't I?
But I don't think I am an asset to the experiment and I would be happy to be blocked again Til around Christmas would be good for me.Good Luck
Your friend
zazenduckePS Good job posting on the wrong board! It's the beginning of an exciting new journey for you!
Posted by zazenducke on July 7, 2013, at 7:53:45
In reply to concerning my vacation benefits » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 18:18:23
I have other plans for Christmas so please just make it permanent. I like the real world better than Babble.
I apologize to everyone I offended intentionally or otherwise. I don't have any hard feelings toward anyone.
Posted by SLS on July 7, 2013, at 8:38:34
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by Dr. Bob on July 4, 2013, at 15:51:50
> > I can't help but suggest that even before Lou has a chance to "attack" a new member, they be forewarned?
Since this is not about the personage and more about behavior and content, I think that any warnings should be composed describing these behaviors without mention of particular posters.
> > ... it probably would have staved off my panic attack.
Cause and effect.
> That's an interesting idea. What do others think? How might such a forewarning be phrased?
FAQ and perhaps a quiz question.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on July 7, 2013, at 8:39:02
In reply to Re: respecting old members » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 15:44:06
:)
I am glad you're ok, zzd, and enjoying the real world.
I'm afraid Boxers are just too much for me. You might not believe this, but I am really not all that much an alpha b*tch. They're great dogs though.
They seem to have a sense of humor.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2013, at 9:24:40
In reply to Re: warning new members, posted by SLS on July 7, 2013, at 8:38:34
> FAQ and perhaps a quiz question.
It's already in the FAQ and the quiz, and at the top of the board. The new wrinkle was:
> I have wondered whether it might be helpful for people to post immediately if they see a post ... that might be upsetting to someone who doesn't understand ... They could put in the subject line a request that the originating poster read this post [first], and then explain ...
which has the advantage of being responsive to the originating poster.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2013, at 10:40:30
In reply to concerning my vacation benefits » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 18:18:23
> Am I allowed to ask you if you have any hobbies besides babble now? I think I got banned for months over that didn't I?
Please don't exaggerate or post anything that could lead others (including me) to feel put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zazenducke on July 7, 2013, at 11:19:57
In reply to Re: please be civil » zazenducke, posted by Dr. Bob on July 7, 2013, at 10:40:30
Posted by zazenducke on July 7, 2013, at 11:52:34
In reply to No (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on July 7, 2013, at 11:19:57
Posted by Dinah on July 7, 2013, at 17:46:01
In reply to Re: respecting old members » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 15:44:06
> I think Babble should celebrate Lou and try to build a community of people looking for a place with a resident prophet....
I've been thinking about this, and I think you've hit the mark in describing Babble at its best - although I certainly wouldn't have phrased it in quite the same way. It *is* a community wise enough and generous enough to have a place for a resident prophet, and an ironic Australian, and a girl who loved Bob Crane. It's a place where people can go to find help, and just as importantly where people can go to help others. Where people can recognize the wisdom of someone who might not have all the degrees, and also recognize that someone with all the degrees (Hi, Dr. Bob) may not have all the wisdom. It's a place that can delight in a duck singing show tunes, if the duck wishes to sing.
Which doesn't mean that the community shouldn't have community guidelines, and it doesn't mean that the prophets and poets and singing ducks and Crane-loving girls and wise souls and ones with all the degrees don't need to acknowledge and respect those guidelines.
What it *also* needs is understanding of each other. How can we be a genuine (if online) community if we don't make an effort to genuinely understand each other? When I was writing about Lou and prophecy, I wasn't intending disrespect. I was *reminding* myself of who Lou is and why Lou does what he does. Just as I remind myself that showtune singing ducks hate what they see as injustice, and do their best to counter it. And that girls who love Bob Crane have positive views of authority and high expectations of authority, as well as a dislike of seeing people hurt while others may not have positive views or high expectations of authority, but may equally dislike seeing people hurt.
Nor do I really think it is disrespectful to try to see people as they see themselves. I didn't say anything about Lou he hasn't said about himself, and I tried to do it neutrally in terms of my thoughts about his beliefs. Because my thoughts about his beliefs aren't really the important thing.
What we want isn't so different. The specifics of what presses our buttons may be different, and the views of how our goals can be achieved may be different. Our styles are different. But I think you and I would both like to see a Babble where people are accepted and where hurt is minimized.
(And thank you for pointing out he'd apologized for that. I hadn't read Babble in nearly a month, and didn't read the entire thread in great depth. I agree that things people have apologized sincerely for should not be brought up over and over against them.)
Posted by Phil on July 8, 2013, at 8:47:06
In reply to No (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on July 7, 2013, at 11:19:57
I was angry at you a while back. I found the post.
I got hit twice and I wasn't sure who was who, whom, whoit?
So, I looked at other posts from you and those are the ones I care to remember. You were very helpful and I appreciate that. Thank you.
I was tripping on a new stim and writing like a madman but luckily it evened out.
Please see the other 85 pages of this post in bmail.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 8, 2013, at 23:23:49
In reply to *, posted by zazenducke on July 7, 2013, at 7:53:45
> I have other plans for Christmas so please just make it permanent. I like the real world better than Babble.
>Indeed, if only posting to/reading Babble were within your own locus of control. Wouldn't that be just ducky?
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on July 11, 2013, at 12:32:40
In reply to Re: respecting old members » Dinah, posted by zazenducke on July 6, 2013, at 15:44:06
if only we could all stop taking the bait and ignore him
Posted by SLS on July 11, 2013, at 13:33:05
In reply to Lou, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on July 11, 2013, at 12:32:40
> if only we could all stop taking the bait and ignore him
I think I understand what you are trying to communicate here. It has been my observation that, for some people, to deprive them of acknowledgement is to deprive them of stimulation and reward. Just know that the extinction process can produce a transient flurry of activity before mitigation occurs.
- Scott
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 11, 2013, at 16:11:16
In reply to Lou, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on July 11, 2013, at 12:32:40
> if only we could all stop taking the bait and ignore him
E_R
You wrote,[...If only we could...].
There is a continual body of knowledge that involves hate in relation to depression and addiction. I have come here to show a way that hate can be erased from the hearts and minds of those that harbor such, which in turn IMHHHO could unshackle those that are captives to depression and addiction. You can read over and over here of those posting to be free from depression and addiction. I am prevented from posting here what IMHHHHHO could have healing come to those in depression and addiction due to the prohibitions posted to me by Mr Hsiung here.
It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which is prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me. And Mr Hsiung says that support takes precedence and that he does not wait to put out a fire. The fire of hate can spread very fast and consume even those innocent in the path of that hate.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1046351.html
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 11, 2013, at 18:01:53
In reply to Lou's request-smohchee » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Lou PIlder on July 11, 2013, at 16:11:16
> > if only we could all stop taking the bait and ignore him
>
> E_R
> You wrote,[...If only we could...].
> There is a continual body of knowledge that involves hate in relation to depression and addiction. I have come here to show a way that hate can be erased from the hearts and minds of those that harbor such, which in turn IMHHHO could unshackle those that are captives to depression and addiction. You can read over and over here of those posting to be free from depression and addiction. I am prevented from posting here what IMHHHHHO could have healing come to those in depression and addiction due to the prohibitions posted to me by Mr Hsiung here.
> It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which is prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me. And Mr Hsiung says that support takes precedence and that he does not wait to put out a fire. The fire of hate can spread very fast and consume even those innocent in the path of that hate.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1046351.htmlE_R,
Now my request is:
I would like for you to:
A. Read the posts by going to the bottom of the page in the search box, typing in what is said to type in
B. Post from your perspective in those posts
1.That you think the post is supportive
2. You do not think it is supportive for a reason that you can state.
C. something else
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 30, 2013, at 2:35:29
In reply to Lou's request-psupoart, posted by Lou PIlder on July 11, 2013, at 18:01:53
Lol, what does Lou do? He never "attacked" me...
This is the end of the thread.
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