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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:28
In reply to Re:Crippling Lyrica situation - MR PILDER, posted by Fader on April 25, 2013, at 5:08:43
> Mr. Pilder, thank you for the information you provided. And thank you for your concerns. I can reassure you that they don't apply to my present situation. I'll decline your offer to know a solution as revealed to you from a religious perspective. Thanks for your time.
>
> Fader,
You wrote,[...my present situation...].
> I know of your present situation. Your situation is shared by many that take the drugs that you listed here. For addiction can lead to one killing themselves and/or others even in the withdrawal state that you describe here.
Let us reason together and look at the possibilities. You can:
A. substitute one drug for another and have a new addiction replacing the first addiction.
B. stop the drug and go for days, weeks, months or years in a horrific state of withdrawal that could never end. People do kill themselves in this state thinking that they will never come out of it.
C. Go to some clinic that specializes in withdrawal.
D. keep taking drugs for the rest of your life
E. ask the drug manufacturer for them to cure you of the withdrawal and pay for your pain and suffering.
F. ask the prescriber to pay for rehabilitation to cure you of the withdrawal.
G. try procedures that are not FDA approved that are listed as fraud.
H. try talking with someone to cure you
K. find a way to go back to when you were a child before you took the drugs that have done this to you and go back to the green fields that you used to know.
L. not permitted to state here
M. others not listed
Lou
Posted by Fader on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:29
In reply to Lou's reply-whichway » Fader, posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2013, at 6:35:18
Pardon me? Drug addiction? Killing myself? Rehab??
I am NOT taking Lyrica recreationally. I'm looking for strategies to ease the withdrawal.
Mr Pilder, I gather that you have issues with this website and/or its moderators (if there are any!!), but you are selfish beyond belief (not to mention pedantic and reckless) by continuing to press *your* "solution" on to people who have CLEARLY declined your help, such as myself.
I might be new here (and might well not bother to post again, after this unfortunate experience) but that won't stop me from asking you to stop making *my* medical problem about *yourself*
Let me add that people with your attitude only compound to an already debilitating problem. Thank you!
In case I wasn't clear enough the first time: I am NOT interested in your offer, as far as I know this is a medication board, not a gathering point for people seeking spiritual and/or religious salvation.
Please stop!
Thanks for your time.
If anybody else here has suggestions, I'll be most thankful.
> >
> > Fader,
> You wrote,[...my present situation...].
> > I know of your present situation. Your situation is shared by many that take the drugs that you listed here. For addiction can lead to one killing themselves and/or others even in the withdrawal state that you describe here.
> Let us reason together and look at the possibilities. You can:
> A. substitute one drug for another and have a new addiction replacing the first addiction.
> B. stop the drug and go for days, weeks, months or years in a horrific state of withdrawal that could never end. People do kill themselves in this state thinking that they will never come out of it.
> C. Go to some clinic that specializes in withdrawal.
> D. keep taking drugs for the rest of your life
> E. ask the drug manufacturer for them to cure you of the withdrawal and pay for your pain and suffering.
> F. ask the prescriber to pay for rehabilitation to cure you of the withdrawal.
> G. try procedures that are not FDA approved that are listed as fraud.
> H. try talking with someone to cure you
> K. find a way to go back to when you were a child before you took the drugs that have done this to you and go back to the green fields that you used to know.
> L. not permitted to state here
> M. others not listed
> Lou
>
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:29
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-whichway » Lou Pilder, posted by Fader on April 25, 2013, at 7:18:16
> Pardon me? Drug addiction? Killing myself? Rehab??
>
> I am NOT taking Lyrica recreationally. I'm looking for strategies to ease the withdrawal.
>
> Mr Pilder, I gather that you have issues with this website and/or its moderators (if there are any!!), but you are selfish beyond belief (not to mention pedantic and reckless) by continuing to press *your* "solution" on to people who have CLEARLY declined your help, such as myself.
>
> I might be new here (and might well not bother to post again, after this unfortunate experience) but that won't stop me from asking you to stop making *my* medical problem about *yourself*
>
> Let me add that people with your attitude only compound to an already debilitating problem. Thank you!
>
> In case I wasn't clear enough the first time: I am NOT interested in your offer, as far as I know this is a medication board, not a gathering point for people seeking spiritual and/or religious salvation.
>
> Please stop!
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> If anybody else here has suggestions, I'll be most thankful.
>
> > >
> > > Fader,
> > You wrote,[...my present situation...].
> > > I know of your present situation. Your situation is shared by many that take the drugs that you listed here. For addiction can lead to one killing themselves and/or others even in the withdrawal state that you describe here.
> > Let us reason together and look at the possibilities. You can:
> > A. substitute one drug for another and have a new addiction replacing the first addiction.
> > B. stop the drug and go for days, weeks, months or years in a horrific state of withdrawal that could never end. People do kill themselves in this state thinking that they will never come out of it.
> > C. Go to some clinic that specializes in withdrawal.
> > D. keep taking drugs for the rest of your life
> > E. ask the drug manufacturer for them to cure you of the withdrawal and pay for your pain and suffering.
> > F. ask the prescriber to pay for rehabilitation to cure you of the withdrawal.
> > G. try procedures that are not FDA approved that are listed as fraud.
> > H. try talking with someone to cure you
> > K. find a way to go back to when you were a child before you took the drugs that have done this to you and go back to the green fields that you used to know.
> > L. not permitted to state here
> > M. others not listed
> > Lou
> >
> > Fader,
You wrote,[...Drug addiction? Killing myself?Rehab?...I am not taking Lyrica recreationally...looking for strategies to ease the withdrawal...you have issues with this website and its moderators...you are *******beyond belief...(pedantic and reckless}...press *your* solution...CLEARLY declined your help...this unfortunate experience...people with your attitude...this is a medication board...].
> Friends,
The above reply to me from the poster could IMHO cause a false light to be put on me here. This is all because the statements don't wash and the forum allows schlock and droll.
The statements about me here are false. Please do not think that just because Mr Hsiung allows them to be posted about me that they are true.
The drugs have been shown over and over to cause a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves and/or others. I have accepted the challenge here for anyone, including Mr Hsiung, to list a mind-altering drug that is not dangerous. You may see that here in a thread above. Addiction is not a choice for many of these drugs.
Let us reason together. What are the choices when you are in the state that the poster describes? If there are other choices, please post them here. I would like to save lives here by providing educational material so you could have more information to make a more-informed decision as to what to do if you find yourself in the situation described here by the poster. You may not know that I know a lot that is prohibited fro me to post here by Mr Hsiung that I think could save lives, prevent addictions and life-ruining condition.
So let it be with those that do not want to hear from my perspective. They can choose to not read, but (redacted by respondent).
Lou
Posted by SLS on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:29
In reply to Lou's response-wasklwabt, posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2013, at 8:13:40
You can choose to have respect for the needs of others by not changing the subject line in order to see only your name and nothing of the subject of the thread. To destroy a thread in this fashion is, indeed, selfish, and perhaps a demonstration of a more pathological mental state that you should attend to. You are too intelligent not to understand the dynamics of disrupting a thread by hijacking it by changing the subject line.
As you suggest that others do not read your posts if they are disturbed by them, I further suggest that others immediately return the subject line to its original verbiage if they do choose to respond to your posts.
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:30
In reply to Lou's response-wasklwabt, posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2013, at 8:13:40
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:30
In reply to Suggestions please!! Crippling Lyrica situation (nm), posted by 10derheart on April 25, 2013, at 12:59:05
Friends,
It is written here,[...Suggestions Please !!...]
Now let us reason together. If you suggest to the poster to take another drug, lets see what this could mean.
It could mean:
A. That the psychiatrist/doctor that the poster is in collaboration with does not know what he/she is doing.
B. That the member here suggesting the drug knows more then the prescriber.
C. That neither the member making the suggestion here or the psychiatrist/doctor knows what they are doing
D. That there is not a "magic drug" to get one out of withdrawal
E. That Lou is right
F. something else
Lou
Posted by Fader on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:30
In reply to Suggestions please!! Crippling Lyrica situation » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on April 25, 2013, at 8:41:37
I further suggest that others immediately return the subject line to its original verbiage if they do choose to respond to your posts.
>
>
> - ScottDear Scott,
Thanks for a great suggestion. I'm hoping to get some help here. I refuse to indulge in confrontation.
Thank you,
Regards, Fader.
Posted by 10derheart on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:31
In reply to Lou's response-whtmuzeighdu? » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2013, at 13:17:58
Posted by SLS on April 26, 2013, at 3:03:41
In reply to Suggestions please!! Crippling Lyrica situation (nm), posted by 10derheart on April 26, 2013, at 0:52:31
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2013, at 9:58:36
In reply to Re: Suggestions please!! Crippling Lyrica situation » 10derheart, posted by SLS on April 26, 2013, at 3:03:41
Fader I do hope you haven't left the board. I do know several who had been on lyrica and also had a very hard time discontinuing the medication. May I suggest you google the archieves on lyrica? Lots of information there. Phillipa
Posted by Fader on April 26, 2013, at 12:45:23
In reply to Re: Suggestions please!! Crippling Lyrica situation, posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2013, at 9:58:36
> Fader I do hope you haven't left the board. I do know several who had been on lyrica and also had a very hard time discontinuing the medication. May I suggest you google the archieves on lyrica? Lots of information there. Phillipa
Thanks, Phillipa, I haven't left yet. I've learned to ignore bothersome posts.
I've searched the babble archive but haven't found lyrica withdrawal reactions as extreme as mine. Still, you've all given me some good suggestions.
I'm seeing my doctor today, hopefully he'll have some suggestions too.Regards.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 17:12:25
In reply to Re: Suggestions please!! Crippling Lyrica situation » Phillipa, posted by Fader on April 26, 2013, at 12:45:23
> > Fader I do hope you haven't left the board. I do know several who had been on lyrica and also had a very hard time discontinuing the medication. May I suggest you google the archieves on lyrica? Lots of information there. Phillipa
>
> Thanks, Phillipa, I haven't left yet. I've learned to ignore bothersome posts.
>
> I've searched the babble archive but haven't found lyrica withdrawal reactions as extreme as mine. Still, you've all given me some good suggestions.
>
>
> I'm seeing my doctor today, hopefully he'll have some suggestions too.
>
> Regards.Friends,
It is written above,[ seeing my doctor...hopef
ully he'll have some suggestions...]. Let us reason together. Which of the following is the best answer?
A. The doctor can not do anything to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms, so there is no hope
B. The doctor created he addiction by prescribing the drug so he knew that the taker of the drug could get to this juncture and has no hope of helping the taker of the drug to be healed.
C. The doctor knows that addiction can lead to suicide and murder so there is no hope of the doctor to be not responsible for the pain and suffering that the taker could have for a long time.
D. The doctor could prescribe another drug so that the taker of the drug could now get multiple addictions and there could be no hope of the taker of the drug to be freed from the addiction and withdrawal horror.
E. The doctor could admit that psychiatry caused the taker of the drug to have the condition and has no hope to reverse it to go back to where he once belonged.
F. The doctor could tell him that he/she has concluded that taking all the drugs together could cause death and a loss of ability to think rationally and that there is no hope for a cure by continuing the drugging.
G. The doctor could say that he/she only treats symptoms and that the long-term consequences of taking the drugs, including death, are not taken into consideration because if they were, then the drugs would not be prescribed at all, because there could be no hope of the taker of the drugs to escape addiction and withdrawal and possibly death.
F. The doctor could say that he/she has read what this Lou guy has written about and that he/she knows of cases where people have been healed by what he is trying to post but there is no hope that he will be allowed to post what the conditions are for people to be healed from a Jewish perspective as revealed to him.
G. He/she could say something else to give hope and the placebo effect could kick in, but if another drug is given, the adverse consequences of that drug could take over when the placebo effect stops.
H.The doctor could say something else
Posted by Fader on April 27, 2013, at 13:24:56
In reply to Lou's response-nhoehoe, posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 17:12:25
You know, Lou, I don't know WHAT your problem is but -quite frankly- I don't give a phuck.
I very politely DECLINED your "response" from the get go, yet you continued to HOUND me with your messages, despite my repeatedly asking you to stop.
You are SELFISH beyond belief. Has it occurred to you that a suicidal person who is in desperate need for help might turn to this board, knowing that it's frequented by very knowledgeable and supportive people?? And said person is no longer willing to put up with your constant interruptions, garbage and nonsense, and thus leaves. Well, that's me! If you're against medication, LEAVE!
Despite what you might believe, you are NOT helping, in fact you are driving people over the edge.
If that's your plan, MISSION FREAKING ACCOMPLISHED, Mr Pilder!
I hope that you're happy now.
ps. You REALLY need to get a life. Turning other people's into multiple choice quizzes? Ridiculous.
PPS. I HOPE that my post is reported to Mr Hsiung, I'm willing to be banned if only to stop the decline of once highly respected board which is now two posts away from being a complete disgrace. Phillipa Jeroen Scott Jono, I do appreciate your help.> > > Fader I do hope you haven't left the board. I do know several who had been on lyrica and also had a very hard time discontinuing the medication. May I suggest you google the archieves on lyrica? Lots of information there. Phillipa
> >
> > Thanks, Phillipa, I haven't left yet. I've learned to ignore bothersome posts.
> >
> > I've searched the babble archive but haven't found lyrica withdrawal reactions as extreme as mine. Still, you've all given me some good suggestions.
> >
> >
> > I'm seeing my doctor today, hopefully he'll have some suggestions too.
> >
> > Regards.
>
> Friends,
> It is written above,[ seeing my doctor...hopef
> ully he'll have some suggestions...]. Let us reason together. Which of the following is the best answer?
> A. The doctor can not do anything to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms, so there is no hope
> B. The doctor created he addiction by prescribing the drug so he knew that the taker of the drug could get to this juncture and has no hope of helping the taker of the drug to be healed.
> C. The doctor knows that addiction can lead to suicide and murder so there is no hope of the doctor to be not responsible for the pain and suffering that the taker could have for a long time.
> D. The doctor could prescribe another drug so that the taker of the drug could now get multiple addictions and there could be no hope of the taker of the drug to be freed from the addiction and withdrawal horror.
> E. The doctor could admit that psychiatry caused the taker of the drug to have the condition and has no hope to reverse it to go back to where he once belonged.
> F. The doctor could tell him that he/she has concluded that taking all the drugs together could cause death and a loss of ability to think rationally and that there is no hope for a cure by continuing the drugging.
> G. The doctor could say that he/she only treats symptoms and that the long-term consequences of taking the drugs, including death, are not taken into consideration because if they were, then the drugs would not be prescribed at all, because there could be no hope of the taker of the drugs to escape addiction and withdrawal and possibly death.
> F. The doctor could say that he/she has read what this Lou guy has written about and that he/she knows of cases where people have been healed by what he is trying to post but there is no hope that he will be allowed to post what the conditions are for people to be healed from a Jewish perspective as revealed to him.
> G. He/she could say something else to give hope and the placebo effect could kick in, but if another drug is given, the adverse consequences of that drug could take over when the placebo effect stops.
> H.The doctor could say something else
Posted by Fader on April 27, 2013, at 17:53:23
In reply to Re: Lou's response-SHUT UP!! » Lou Pilder, posted by Fader on April 27, 2013, at 13:24:56
I would like to apologize to Lou and to the rest of the community for my outburst; the Lyrica withdrawal has me losing my mind, but that's no excuse to be rude.
However, the general sentiment of my post remains. Lou, please stop badgering me with your "solution", okay? I'm not interested.
Thank you.
> You know, Lou, I don't know WHAT your problem is but -quite frankly- I don't give a phuck.
>
> I very politely DECLINED your "response" from the get go, yet you continued to HOUND me with your messages, despite my repeatedly asking you to stop.
>
> You are SELFISH beyond belief. Has it occurred to you that a suicidal person who is in desperate need for help might turn to this board, knowing that it's frequented by very knowledgeable and supportive people?? And said person is no longer willing to put up with your constant interruptions, garbage and nonsense, and thus leaves. Well, that's me! If you're against medication, LEAVE!
>
> Despite what you might believe, you are NOT helping, in fact you are driving people over the edge.
>
> If that's your plan, MISSION FREAKING ACCOMPLISHED, Mr Pilder!
>
> I hope that you're happy now.
>
> ps. You REALLY need to get a life. Turning other people's into multiple choice quizzes? Ridiculous.
>
>
> PPS. I HOPE that my post is reported to Mr Hsiung, I'm willing to be banned if only to stop the decline of once highly respected board which is now two posts away from being a complete disgrace. Phillipa Jeroen Scott Jono, I do appreciate your help.
>
>
>
> > > > Fader I do hope you haven't left the board. I do know several who had been on lyrica and also had a very hard time discontinuing the medication. May I suggest you google the archieves on lyrica? Lots of information there. Phillipa
> > >
> > > Thanks, Phillipa, I haven't left yet. I've learned to ignore bothersome posts.
> > >
> > > I've searched the babble archive but haven't found lyrica withdrawal reactions as extreme as mine. Still, you've all given me some good suggestions.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm seeing my doctor today, hopefully he'll have some suggestions too.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written above,[ seeing my doctor...hopef
> > ully he'll have some suggestions...]. Let us reason together. Which of the following is the best answer?
> > A. The doctor can not do anything to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms, so there is no hope
> > B. The doctor created he addiction by prescribing the drug so he knew that the taker of the drug could get to this juncture and has no hope of helping the taker of the drug to be healed.
> > C. The doctor knows that addiction can lead to suicide and murder so there is no hope of the doctor to be not responsible for the pain and suffering that the taker could have for a long time.
> > D. The doctor could prescribe another drug so that the taker of the drug could now get multiple addictions and there could be no hope of the taker of the drug to be freed from the addiction and withdrawal horror.
> > E. The doctor could admit that psychiatry caused the taker of the drug to have the condition and has no hope to reverse it to go back to where he once belonged.
> > F. The doctor could tell him that he/she has concluded that taking all the drugs together could cause death and a loss of ability to think rationally and that there is no hope for a cure by continuing the drugging.
> > G. The doctor could say that he/she only treats symptoms and that the long-term consequences of taking the drugs, including death, are not taken into consideration because if they were, then the drugs would not be prescribed at all, because there could be no hope of the taker of the drugs to escape addiction and withdrawal and possibly death.
> > F. The doctor could say that he/she has read what this Lou guy has written about and that he/she knows of cases where people have been healed by what he is trying to post but there is no hope that he will be allowed to post what the conditions are for people to be healed from a Jewish perspective as revealed to him.
> > G. He/she could say something else to give hope and the placebo effect could kick in, but if another drug is given, the adverse consequences of that drug could take over when the placebo effect stops.
> > H.The doctor could say something else
>
>
Posted by baseball55 on April 27, 2013, at 19:24:44
In reply to I apologize, posted by Fader on April 27, 2013, at 17:53:23
I don't think you need to apologize. You have a valid complaint. Many others have the same complaint and why it hasn't been addressed on this board is a mystery to me.
Anyway, I wish you luck. I know nothing about lyrica and can't really offer advice, but I hope others can.
Posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2013, at 20:54:58
In reply to Re: I apologize, posted by baseball55 on April 27, 2013, at 19:24:44
Baseball many times the same has come up. And nothing happens. Sometimes I've wondered if the funding of the board could be the reason if you get my jist? Just thinking with the keys of my keyboard? Think nothing of it. Well I mean you can think about it. But best ignore it. But I wonder. Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 29, 2013, at 0:07:31
In reply to Re: I apologize, posted by baseball55 on April 27, 2013, at 19:24:44
> I would like to apologize to Lou and to the rest of the community for my outburst; the Lyrica withdrawal has me losing my mind, but that's no excuse to be rude.
>
> However, the general sentiment of my post remains. Lou, please stop badgering me with your "solution", okay? I'm not interested.
>
> Fader> You have a valid complaint. Many others have the same complaint and why it hasn't been addressed on this board is a mystery to me.
>
> baseball55Fader, thanks for apologizing.
I should've been more explicit about what I did (and intended). Fader declined more information about Lou's solution:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130408/msgs/1042630.html
so I moved later posts about it (and responses to them) to this thread, so it could be discussed without interfering with the original thread.
To be fair, I'd like Lou not to feel badgered by posts to this thread. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on April 29, 2013, at 7:23:16
In reply to Re: please stop badgering, posted by Dr. Bob on April 29, 2013, at 0:07:31
Can I try to understand better? Is this the new response to the old situation where it would be considered by administration insensitive to consider to give a poster responses he had asked not to received?
So that the new administrative response would be to allow such posts to continue, but in another thread?
I don't think that if I were upset by certain responses involving my own personal situation, that I would find them substantially less upsetting to see them on a separate thread. I know I'd have the choice not to read those posts. But they'd still be talking about *me* and I'd still know the general gist of what was being said. It may be better in that it wouldn't be as likely to derail my original discussion. But I wouldn't much like it.
Posted by Fader on April 30, 2013, at 17:17:41
In reply to Re: please stop badgering, posted by Dr. Bob on April 29, 2013, at 0:07:31
>
> Fader, thanks for apologizing.
>
> I should've been more explicit about what I did (and intended). Fader declined more information about Lou's solution:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130408/msgs/1042630.html
>
> so I moved later posts about it (and responses to them) to this thread, so it could be discussed without interfering with the original thread.
>
> To be fair, I'd like Lou not to feel badgered by posts to this thread. Thanks,
>
> BobDr Bob,
Thank you for being understanding. I'm not sure what I stepped into, but my outburst was uncalled for. I certainly do not wish for Lou to feel diminished, yet he needs to understand when someone declines his offer ti help.
Lou, going by what little I saw here, it seems to me that the regular posters are NOT rejecting you, but they0d maybe like to see you try a different approach in what is, after all, a medication board. Your intentions seem to be honest.
Thank you.
Fader.
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 30, 2013, at 17:39:31
In reply to Re: please stop badgering » Dr. Bob, posted by Fader on April 30, 2013, at 17:17:41
>
> >
> > Fader, thanks for apologizing.
> >
> > I should've been more explicit about what I did (and intended). Fader declined more information about Lou's solution:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130408/msgs/1042630.html
> >
> > so I moved later posts about it (and responses to them) to this thread, so it could be discussed without interfering with the original thread.
> >
> > To be fair, I'd like Lou not to feel badgered by posts to this thread. Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
>
> Dr Bob,
>
> Thank you for being understanding. I'm not sure what I stepped into, but my outburst was uncalled for. I certainly do not wish for Lou to feel diminished, yet he needs to understand when someone declines his offer ti help.
>
> Lou, going by what little I saw here, it seems to me that the regular posters are NOT rejecting you, but they0d maybe like to see you try a different approach in what is, after all, a medication board. Your intentions seem to be honest.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Fader.
>
Fader,
The posts that you see from me here are only parts of what I would like for members to know. I am prevented from posting what I would like to here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This then results in a watered-down response from me to accommodate the repression of my speech by the prohibitions.
And in the moderation tactics by Mr Hsiung, you can see those on the admin board as allowing hatred toward me to be posted, over and over, and personal attacks upon me that are allowed to stand. Statements that can arouse anti-Semitic feelings are also allowed to stand. All of that easily can arouse hostility toward me as members can think that that Mr Hsiung is allowing toward me will be good for this community as a whole. I know otherwise, for the hatred that is allowed to stand, in particular but not limited toward the Jews, can infest the minds of readers to transfer hate to others and in a mind-altered state from the drugs they could be compelled to kill themselves and/or others. Now if that is "good" as being supportive, then hate is supportive here for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence in his thinking.
If you could read the posts on the admin board where there are years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung, and post there from your perspective, I could have dialog with you there and your eyes could be opened.
Lou
>
Posted by Fader on May 1, 2013, at 13:08:11
In reply to Lou's reply-heytpsewpoartv » Fader, posted by Lou Pilder on April 30, 2013, at 17:39:31
> >
> > >
> > > Fader, thanks for apologizing.
> > >
> > > I should've been more explicit about what I did (and intended). Fader declined more information about Lou's solution:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130408/msgs/1042630.html
> > >
> > > so I moved later posts about it (and responses to them) to this thread, so it could be discussed without interfering with the original thread.
> > >
> > > To be fair, I'd like Lou not to feel badgered by posts to this thread. Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Dr Bob,
> >
> > Thank you for being understanding. I'm not sure what I stepped into, but my outburst was uncalled for. I certainly do not wish for Lou to feel diminished, yet he needs to understand when someone declines his offer ti help.
> >
> > Lou, going by what little I saw here, it seems to me that the regular posters are NOT rejecting you, but they0d maybe like to see you try a different approach in what is, after all, a medication board. Your intentions seem to be honest.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Fader.
> >
> Fader,
> The posts that you see from me here are only parts of what I would like for members to know. I am prevented from posting what I would like to here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This then results in a watered-down response from me to accommodate the repression of my speech by the prohibitions.
> And in the moderation tactics by Mr Hsiung, you can see those on the admin board as allowing hatred toward me to be posted, over and over, and personal attacks upon me that are allowed to stand. Statements that can arouse anti-Semitic feelings are also allowed to stand. All of that easily can arouse hostility toward me as members can think that that Mr Hsiung is allowing toward me will be good for this community as a whole. I know otherwise, for the hatred that is allowed to stand, in particular but not limited toward the Jews, can infest the minds of readers to transfer hate to others and in a mind-altered state from the drugs they could be compelled to kill themselves and/or others. Now if that is "good" as being supportive, then hate is supportive here for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence in his thinking.
> If you could read the posts on the admin board where there are years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung, and post there from your perspective, I could have dialog with you there and your eyes could be opened.
> Lou
> >
>
>Lou,
I can't speak for others of course, but I can assure you that I don't harbor any anti-Semitic feelings. I won't go into details here, but I'll just say that I'm a human rights activist, what religion you profess makes absolutely no difference to me.
Regards,
Fader.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 1, 2013, at 18:07:58
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-heytpsewpoartv » Lou Pilder, posted by Fader on May 1, 2013, at 13:08:11
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Fader, thanks for apologizing.
> > > >
> > > > I should've been more explicit about what I did (and intended). Fader declined more information about Lou's solution:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20130408/msgs/1042630.html
> > > >
> > > > so I moved later posts about it (and responses to them) to this thread, so it could be discussed without interfering with the original thread.
> > > >
> > > > To be fair, I'd like Lou not to feel badgered by posts to this thread. Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > Dr Bob,
> > >
> > > Thank you for being understanding. I'm not sure what I stepped into, but my outburst was uncalled for. I certainly do not wish for Lou to feel diminished, yet he needs to understand when someone declines his offer ti help.
> > >
> > > Lou, going by what little I saw here, it seems to me that the regular posters are NOT rejecting you, but they0d maybe like to see you try a different approach in what is, after all, a medication board. Your intentions seem to be honest.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Fader.
> > >
> > Fader,
> > The posts that you see from me here are only parts of what I would like for members to know. I am prevented from posting what I would like to here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This then results in a watered-down response from me to accommodate the repression of my speech by the prohibitions.
> > And in the moderation tactics by Mr Hsiung, you can see those on the admin board as allowing hatred toward me to be posted, over and over, and personal attacks upon me that are allowed to stand. Statements that can arouse anti-Semitic feelings are also allowed to stand. All of that easily can arouse hostility toward me as members can think that that Mr Hsiung is allowing toward me will be good for this community as a whole. I know otherwise, for the hatred that is allowed to stand, in particular but not limited toward the Jews, can infest the minds of readers to transfer hate to others and in a mind-altered state from the drugs they could be compelled to kill themselves and/or others. Now if that is "good" as being supportive, then hate is supportive here for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence in his thinking.
> > If you could read the posts on the admin board where there are years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung, and post there from your perspective, I could have dialog with you there and your eyes could be opened.
> > Lou
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Lou,
>
> I can't speak for others of course, but I can assure you that I don't harbor any anti-Semitic feelings. I won't go into details here, but I'll just say that I'm a human rights activist, what religion you profess makes absolutely no difference to me.
>
> Regards,
> Fader.
>
> Fader,
You wrote,[...makes no difference to me...].
But would you agree that there are people that it would make a difference? If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Have you read the threads on the admin board where antisemitic hate is allowed to stand, for if it is allowed to stand, could you not think that it is supportive and civil here?
B. If so, could you post a link here to one of them here?
Lou
>
This is the end of the thread.
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