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Posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 9:50:47
I'm not in a good mood right now. Is it possible to overcome this depression without meds or is it just a fantasy? If I'm going to be depressed anyway why not be that without the meds?
There was a time in my youth when I actually wanted to meet people and I was unmedicated. Now I just want to be alone. The "plan" now is to replace Seroquel with ziprasidone. When that turns up to be a failure I think I'm done with meds./tensor
Posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2013, at 9:56:54
In reply to Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 9:50:47
Tensor I don't know as sometimes actually lots of times I think the same and lower meds only to raise again when it doesn't work out. My doses are low. If yours are high mayber lower doses? See how that does. The docs here that I see and what I read indicate that seems lower doses of meds now being used. So contraversial. Phillipa
Posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 10:11:39
In reply to Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 9:50:47
Although I have this feeling it's a terrible idea, I'm interested what it would feel like being off meds for six months. Depression and anxiety are guaranteed to get alot worse initially, but if you somehow would manage to pull through..
/tensor
Posted by Phil on January 26, 2013, at 11:12:00
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 10:11:39
Oh, I know how you feel, Tensor. I have felt it time to time for 30 years. Half my life I've been medicated. Right now, with some side effect exceptions, I feel really good.
But it's your call. Trust your instinct, you can always start over if you do need meds. Just don't hesitate to try again if you sink like a stone.
These are our hardest decisions and I wish you well whatever path you take.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2013, at 11:28:51
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 10:11:39
> Although I have this feeling it's a terrible idea, I'm interested what it would feel like being off meds for six months. Depression and anxiety are guaranteed to get alot worse initially, but if you somehow would manage to pull through..
>
> /tensortensor,
The road that you are on of the taking of mind-altering drugs can lead to death. The road that I could lead you to could lead you to life and life more abundantly. You are now at the crossroads and others here could tell you to stay on the road that could lead to death, a road that could induce a mind-altered state to compel you to kill yourself and/or others, even commit mass-murder.
While you are at the crossroads, many could intice you to stay on the road of drugs. They could say that there is a jackpot awaiting you by trying more and more drugs. A jackpot of what? Do you not see the misery posted here and the deaths reported here?
I am prevented from posting here a way for you to be free from the drugs, free from depression and addiction, and free from being scared of being killed by the drugs, due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. What I am prevented from posting here comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which I am prohibited to post here.
Now others could post here to take a combination of drugs,a combination that could kill you. And by you going from Seroquel to Geodon, that could keep you on the road of drugs further because the new drug has some chemical constituants of the former drug in a modified chemical structure, so that there could be an extension of drugging.
The withdrawal from the drugs could be horrific, and people kill themselves in the withdrawal state an kill others also. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung from posting here how one could be led out of the darkness of withdrawal and into a marvelous light of peace and joy, free from addiction and depression. He states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, and to try and trust him at that. Do you know who else said that?
Lou
Posted by gpznos on January 26, 2013, at 12:04:35
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option? » tensor, posted by Phil on January 26, 2013, at 11:12:00
> Oh, I know how you feel, Tensor. I have felt it time to time for 30 years. Half my life I've been medicated. Right now, with some side effect exceptions, I feel really good.
> But it's your call. Trust your instinct, you can always start over if you do need meds. Just don't hesitate to try again if you sink like a stone.
> These are our hardest decisions and I wish you well whatever path you take.Tensor, I know your feeling: It never was really good with the meds, so why continue?
In 2010 I used 7 months to taper off all my meds (Nort., Mirtazapin and Lexapro) real slowly. Those 7 months were as good or slightly better than the 7 months before them.
Unfortunately, at the end, I fell into depression again and I was so bitter about it that I waited for weeks before starting up again with the meds - but even on these very meds I fell into a new depressive episode this November (see my other post). So I guess depresseion can happend with or without meds...
Posted by cellular on January 26, 2013, at 14:20:04
In reply to Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 9:50:47
> I'm not in a good mood right now. Is it possible to overcome this depression without meds or is it just a fantasy? If I'm going to be depressed anyway why not be that without the meds?
> There was a time in my youth when I actually wanted to meet people and I was unmedicated. Now I just want to be alone. The "plan" now is to replace Seroquel with ziprasidone. When that turns up to be a failure I think I'm done with meds.
>
> /tensorHello Tensor,
I really don't know how to answer your question in a satisfactory way, so I can only give you input based on my own experience.
Before I was lucky to find the meds that made my depression bearable, I was on numerous different types of meds of every kind. Inbetween the switching of meds I used to be under no influence of meds and used that time to take a vacation "to get away from it all" or to try and seek fulfilling my "carnal pleasure dreams" in foreign countries. In both cases I was lucky to have had more positive experiences than I even hoped for.
I would not have been able to do this if I had been taking any meds, because they all have side-effects that make it difficult or impossible to master adventurous types of activities.But please never think of giving up hope of finding the med(s) that will keep you stable and content enough in everyday life.
Even with my current "jackpot" med-combo, I'm unable to function like healthy folks and there are times when I feel bad enough to augment with some other, unconventional meds in order to get back to my "base-line condition".Take care,
cellular
Posted by gpznos on January 26, 2013, at 15:07:48
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option? » tensor, posted by cellular on January 26, 2013, at 14:20:04
> > I'm not in a good mood right now. Is it possible to overcome this depression without meds or is it just a fantasy? If I'm going to be depressed anyway why not be that without the meds?
> > There was a time in my youth when I actually wanted to meet people and I was unmedicated. Now I just want to be alone. The "plan" now is to replace Seroquel with ziprasidone. When that turns up to be a failure I think I'm done with meds.
> >
> > /tensor
>
> Hello Tensor,
>
> I really don't know how to answer your question in a satisfactory way, so I can only give you input based on my own experience.
>
> Before I was lucky to find the meds that made my depression bearable, I was on numerous different types of meds of every kind. Inbetween the switching of meds I used to be under no influence of meds and used that time to take a vacation "to get away from it all" or to try and seek fulfilling my "carnal pleasure dreams" in foreign countries. In both cases I was lucky to have had more positive experiences than I even hoped for.
> I would not have been able to do this if I had been taking any meds, because they all have side-effects that make it difficult or impossible to master adventurous types of activities.
>
> But please never think of giving up hope of finding the med(s) that will keep you stable and content enough in everyday life.
> Even with my current "jackpot" med-combo, I'm unable to function like healthy folks and there are times when I feel bad enough to augment with some other, unconventional meds in order to get back to my "base-line condition".
>
> Take care,
>
> cellular
>
>
>
>
>
Hi
Just out of curiosity: What is your med-combo?
Posted by poser938 on January 26, 2013, at 16:17:34
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option? » tensor, posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2013, at 9:56:54
Sometimes just taking a low dose of medication is more helpful. Medictions can sometimes block your thoughts from reality a bit and as lower dose would help you experience life more. And then a good therapist can teach you how to move your thoughts forward in a productive way.
Posted by cellular on January 26, 2013, at 16:30:43
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by gpznos on January 26, 2013, at 15:07:48
> Hi
> Just out of curiosity: What is your med-combo?Three meds:
1) The SSRI sertraline
2) The tricyclic trimipramine
3) The antipsychotic flupentixol
cellular
Posted by schleprock on January 26, 2013, at 18:23:07
In reply to Lou's response-dhawehyjiz » tensor, posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2013, at 11:28:51
> > Although I have this feeling it's a terrible idea, I'm interested what it would feel like being off meds for six months. Depression and anxiety are guaranteed to get alot worse initially, but if you somehow would manage to pull through..
> >
> > /tensor
>
> tensor,
> The road that you are on of the taking of mind-altering drugs can lead to death. The road that I could lead you to could lead you to life and life more abundantly. You are now at the crossroads and others here could tell you to stay on the road that could lead to death, a road that could induce a mind-altered state to compel you to kill yourself and/or others, even commit mass-murder.
> While you are at the crossroads, many could intice you to stay on the road of drugs. They could say that there is a jackpot awaiting you by trying more and more drugs. A jackpot of what? Do you not see the misery posted here and the deaths reported here?
> I am prevented from posting here a way for you to be free from the drugs, free from depression and addiction, and free from being scared of being killed by the drugs, due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. What I am prevented from posting here comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which I am prohibited to post here.
> Now others could post here to take a combination of drugs,a combination that could kill you. And by you going from Seroquel to Geodon, that could keep you on the road of drugs further because the new drug has some chemical constituants of the former drug in a modified chemical structure, so that there could be an extension of drugging.
> The withdrawal from the drugs could be horrific, and people kill themselves in the withdrawal state an kill others also. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung from posting here how one could be led out of the darkness of withdrawal and into a marvelous light of peace and joy, free from addiction and depression. He states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, and to try and trust him at that. Do you know who else said that?
> Lou
>Lou,
you wrote
[Mr Hsiung...He states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, and to try and trust him at that. Do you know who else said that?]I don't know. Who else said that?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 26, 2013, at 22:31:49
In reply to Lou's response-dhawehyjiz » tensor, posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2013, at 11:28:51
Who else said that? lousy said it....but lou what about prozac? she told me the other day you've been talkin to paxil....said you got in her car and went to visit zoloft at his nuerotransmitter house....you reveal yourself right now....im tellin ya lou....i am sick of hearing these stories from prozac and paxil....you start being honest from now on!
and what is the meaning of my last name??
Lousy
Posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 23:01:17
In reply to Lou's response-dhawehyjiz » tensor, posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2013, at 11:28:51
> > Although I have this feeling it's a terrible idea, I'm interested what it would feel like being off meds for six months. Depression and anxiety are guaranteed to get alot worse initially, but if you somehow would manage to pull through..
> >
> > /tensor
>
> tensor,
> The road that you are on of the taking of mind-altering drugs can lead to death. The road that I could lead you to could lead you to life and life more abundantly. You are now at the crossroads and others here could tell you to stay on the road that could lead to death, a road that could induce a mind-altered state to compel you to kill yourself and/or others, even commit mass-murder.
> While you are at the crossroads, many could intice you to stay on the road of drugs. They could say that there is a jackpot awaiting you by trying more and more drugs. A jackpot of what? Do you not see the misery posted here and the deaths reported here?
> I am prevented from posting here a way for you to be free from the drugs, free from depression and addiction, and free from being scared of being killed by the drugs, due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. What I am prevented from posting here comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which I am prohibited to post here.
> Now others could post here to take a combination of drugs,a combination that could kill you. And by you going from Seroquel to Geodon, that could keep you on the road of drugs further because the new drug has some chemical constituants of the former drug in a modified chemical structure, so that there could be an extension of drugging.
> The withdrawal from the drugs could be horrific, and people kill themselves in the withdrawal state an kill others also. I am prohibited by Mr Hsiung from posting here how one could be led out of the darkness of withdrawal and into a marvelous light of peace and joy, free from addiction and depression. He states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole, and to try and trust him at that. Do you know who else said that?
> Lou
>Lou, I must ask. If you are so much against medications, what are you doing on the medication board anyway? :-)
>He states that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole
Yeah, he's great. He keeps running this forum for us, which I think is the best one. Other forums are too complicated and I often struggle to find the correct board to post in. Being in the game for fifteen years or so, proves it's a winning concept. Simplicity is the key. (Look at Google.)
Just of curiosity, when you write:
Re: Lou's response-dhawehyjizWhat does "dhawehyjiz" stand for?
/tensor
Posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 23:07:16
In reply to Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 9:50:47
Thanks for your replies everybody. I'm in a better mood now, but I still think going off all meds is something to consider. Maybe just take a small dose of amitriptyline if needed.
/tensor
Posted by 49er on January 27, 2013, at 4:32:06
In reply to Re: Is quitting all meds a viable option?, posted by tensor on January 26, 2013, at 23:07:16
> Thanks for your replies everybody. I'm in a better mood now, but I still think going off all meds is something to consider. Maybe just take a small dose of amitriptyline if needed.
>
> /tensorHi Tensor,
I got off of 4 meds in 2010 after a near 4 year taper. I had been on them for 15 years.
My advice if you chose to come off of them is taper very very slowly to give your body time to adjust to each cut. When I say slowly, I mean 10% of current dose every 4 weeks.
Many people say that is too slow but I wish I had a nickle for all the posts I have read about people tapering quickly only to suffer horrific withdrawal symptoms that put them back on meds. Tapering slowly doesn't mean you won't have problems but the chances of having a better quality life will greatly increase.
I would also strongly advise you to learn coping skills such as CBT or something similar if you chose to get off of meds. Even tapering slowly does not guarantee you won't have WD issues and as a result, you need the tools to deal with them.
You have a tough decision to make so think it through carefully, Feel free to babble mail me with any questions.
49er
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