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Posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
So I take parnate, which causes insomnia. For the last year or so, I've taken xanax every night to help me sleep and have slept reasonably well. Last week, I ran through my scrip and, since I was seeing my p-doc at the end of the week anyway, decided to just wait until I saw him to get a new scrip.
I didn't sleep for five nights. I had abdominal pain and constant retching, felt horrible. When I saw him, he said, you're having xanax withdrawal. You should have called me as soon as you ran out. It never occurred to me. I figured, I just take it at night, it has a short half-life, so I'm mostly xanax fee most of the time. How could I have withdrawal?
Anyway, once I got a new scrip, I slept ten hours without moving a muscle all night. Since then, I've been sleeping normally. I've been taking this so long, I had forgotten how much it helped my sleep.
Posted by cellular on January 22, 2013, at 20:47:48
In reply to xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
Your withdrawal symptoms are no surprise to anyone who knows that alprazolam is the most addictive benzo of its class.
Why in the world is your pdoc prescribing a benzo for sleeping problems?
And you've been popping it like candy for a year every night???Here's my advice:
Dump your current pdoc who obviously has ethical issues and go to a responsible one who will prescribe a non-addictive med of which there are tons out there.
I take trimipramine, a tricyclic, every night and it works. There's no reason under the sun for you to be using a benzo every night as a sedative -- believe me.
cellular
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 22, 2013, at 20:59:16
In reply to xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
lol xanax or alprazolam is well known for withdrawl symtoms...when was at rehab i was talking to the head psychiatrist...some how xanax was brought up in the conversation but she said this guy came in withdrawing from xanax... causes shakes...spasms...which could also be related to muscle pain...or the pain your describing....usally if you ran into a stingy doctor they would probaly give ativan for 7 days.
if you ever have that again...lyrica or nuerontin willl take care of it...ask you pdoc about it...
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 22, 2013, at 21:17:26
In reply to xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
yea now im thinking about that....if you only take it at night....that shouldnt really have a major effect...ripple effect on sleep....mmm let me think...xanax usally is a fast benzo and it lasts maybe 2-4 hours depending on that person's metabolism....and usally it get right out of the system....if you where taking valium that's a diffrent story...
im thinking the only thing really to make it go away is GABA increasing medications...depakote, all those mood stablizers that work on gaba. Nuerontin im telling you would be PERFECT for withdrawls even though its not directly documented to be used for that. 800mg tablet...would swwooop agitation.
well just stay on the xanax....if it works for you every night, do it...its good and best if it does work well for sleep. Maybe you can ask your doctor about Ativan during the day...klonopin ugh...makes me stupid, i can't right on klonopin at higher doses...
well hang in there....also you should check out Temazepam..for sleep...it may be even better than xanax.
:)
r
Posted by Phillipa on January 22, 2013, at 21:59:29
In reply to xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
Been on low doses of benzos for over 40 years now. I keep the dose low and take .5 of xanax and 7.5mg of valium at night. I sleep. I guess will dies still taking them. Phillipa
Posted by Hugh on January 23, 2013, at 10:02:41
In reply to xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
I took lorazepam almost every night for three years for insomnia. It also has a very short half-life. I raised my dose twice because of tolerance. I started to suffer terrible gastrointestinal problems, and it was only after a CT scan and a colonoscopy had ruled everything else out that I realized that benzo interdose withdrawal was causing my problems. It took me four months to taper off benzos. I did a crossover to Valium halfway through the taper.
Posted by cellular on January 23, 2013, at 11:01:06
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal, posted by Hugh on January 23, 2013, at 10:02:41
> I took lorazepam almost every night for three years for insomnia. It also has a very short half-life. I raised my dose twice because of tolerance. I started to suffer terrible gastrointestinal problems, and it was only after a CT scan and a colonoscopy had ruled everything else out that I realized that benzo interdose withdrawal was causing my problems. It took me four months to taper off benzos. I did a crossover to Valium halfway through the taper.
I'm glad to read that you were successful in tapering off the benzo, Hugh.
cellular
Posted by cellular on January 23, 2013, at 11:19:09
In reply to xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 22, 2013, at 20:10:13
Dear baseball55,
You are lucky that your withdrawal didn't end in losing your life:
"Patients addicted to benzodiazepines should not attempt to stop taking them on their own. Withdrawal symptoms from these drugs can be problematic, potentially life-threatening."
For the sake of your future well-being, I suggest you seek treatment for your benzodiazepine abuse and addiction.
There are many detox and rehab centers throughout the country. Where do you live btw?The following clinic is just an example I googled of where you could undergo medically SUPERVISED withdrawal of alprazolam:
http://www.malibuhorizon.com/benzodiazepines-addiction-withdrawal-list-treatment.aspx
Good luck!
cellular
Posted by gadchik on January 23, 2013, at 11:55:29
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal, posted by Hugh on January 23, 2013, at 10:02:41
Hugh, what happened with your insomnia as you tapered? Did you treat it with something else?
Posted by Hugh on January 23, 2013, at 12:12:24
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » Hugh, posted by gadchik on January 23, 2013, at 11:55:29
> Hugh, what happened with your insomnia as you tapered? Did you treat it with something else?
Each time I cut my dose, my insomnia would get much worse for about a week. I'd sleep about two hours a night, and then, after a week, about four hours. When I did the crossover to Valium, I started sleeping nine hours a night. But as my Valium dose got lower and lower, I got five or six hours a night. I didn't want to mess with any sleep medication during my taper, not even over-the-counter stuff.
Posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 18:59:32
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » baseball55, posted by cellular on January 23, 2013, at 11:19:09
I greatly dislike the tone of your posts to me and would prefer you not reply to my posts. I am not addicted (though I am physically dependent) and I do not abuse xanax. Over the last three years on parnate, I have tried dozens of drugs to deal with devastating insomnia and xanax works. For someone who abuses steroids and lies to your docs, you have a lot of nerve.
> Dear baseball55,
>
> You are lucky that your withdrawal didn't end in losing your life:
>
> "Patients addicted to benzodiazepines should not attempt to stop taking them on their own. Withdrawal symptoms from these drugs can be problematic, potentially life-threatening."
>
> For the sake of your future well-being, I suggest you seek treatment for your benzodiazepine abuse and addiction.
> There are many detox and rehab centers throughout the country. Where do you live btw?
>
> The following clinic is just an example I googled of where you could undergo medically SUPERVISED withdrawal of alprazolam:
>
> http://www.malibuhorizon.com/benzodiazepines-addiction-withdrawal-list-treatment.aspx
>
> Good luck!
>
> cellular
Posted by Phillipa on January 23, 2013, at 20:31:55
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 18:59:32
Baseball I agree 40 years later with prescription and more than one pdoc all agreed I need to take this. Never upped dose have lowered it. Phillipa
Posted by cellular on January 24, 2013, at 3:55:20
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal, posted by baseball55 on January 23, 2013, at 18:59:32
> I greatly dislike the tone of your posts to me
Dear baseball55,
I'm only trying to help you, but I can understand your preference not to face the fact that you're a drug addict, to put it frankly.
Just like heroin addicts, there are probably very few people addicted to benzodiazepines (such as you are) who realize their addiction and the necessity to seek professional help in a withdrawal program.>I am not addicted (though I am physically dependent) and I do not abuse xanax.
You see what I mean, baseball55?! You haven't made the first and most important step yet to acknowledge that you ARE indeed addicted to Xanax.
And yes, you ARE abusing this substance to get high which is NOT acceptable both in society as a whole and in medicine and jurisprudence in particular.>Over the last three years on parnate, I have tried dozens of drugs to deal with devastating insomnia and xanax works.
Like a typical drug addict, you are merely posting EXCUSES for continuing the abuse of Xanax, baseball55.
I'm sure you know very well that there are TONS of non-addictive sleeping aids on the legal market. For example, you'll find good old Benadryl in every well-sorted supermarket, it causes drowsiness and sleepiness and is used by millions to counteract insomnia. There is ABSOLUTELY NO medical indication for taking Xanax as a sleeping aid EVERY NIGHT FOR OVER A YEAR as you are doing.If what I think you are into, namely that you're doctor shopping for Xanax for the purpose of getting high, then you're in deep trouble, baseball55. This substance is listed as a schedule IV drug and its abuse CAN get you at least five years in prison if law enforcement catches on to you. I've seen documentaries on what's going on in jails and believe me: You wouldn't want to be locked up for even one night...
>For someone who abuses steroids and lies to your docs, you have a lot of nerve.
I neither abuse steroids as you falsely claim, nor do I lie to my docs. It seems you're so drugged with Xanax that you've lost the ability to read and comprehend -- which again shows how urgent it is for you to undergo medically supervised detoxification.
I'm including you in my prayers, baseball55, and perhaps Jesus will lead your lost soul back on the right track.
cellular
> > Dear baseball55,
> >
> > You are lucky that your withdrawal didn't end in losing your life:
> >
> > "Patients addicted to benzodiazepines should not attempt to stop taking them on their own. Withdrawal symptoms from these drugs can be problematic, potentially life-threatening."
> >
> > For the sake of your future well-being, I suggest you seek treatment for your benzodiazepine abuse and addiction.
> > There are many detox and rehab centers throughout the country. Where do you live btw?
> >
> > The following clinic is just an example I googled of where you could undergo medically SUPERVISED withdrawal of alprazolam:
> >
> > http://www.malibuhorizon.com/benzodiazepines-addiction-withdrawal-list-treatment.aspx
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > cellular
>
>
Posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2013, at 19:57:51
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » baseball55, posted by cellular on January 24, 2013, at 3:55:20
Cellular no idea who you are but please leave baseball alone he's not a drug addict. If he is I also am and I've certainly seen a lot of drug pushing docs over the years. Could it be you are high or psychotic from steroid use? They did this to my Mother and she died. The docs had no idea at the time how dangerous steroids are. Age 48 dead from a docs prescription. Phillipa
Posted by cellular on January 24, 2013, at 22:28:58
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » cellular, posted by Phillipa on January 24, 2013, at 19:57:51
> Cellular no idea who you are but please leave baseball alone he's not a drug addict. If he is I also am and I've certainly seen a lot of drug pushing docs over the years.
My advice to you and baseball55:
Say No to Drugs
>Could it be you are high or psychotic from steroid use?
Pot calling the kettle black?
No, four possibilities off the top of my head:
1) Either another junkie that's too drugged to grasp the difference between the glucocorticoid prednisolone and steroids (which mean anabolics in common jargon)
2) Mere lack of education
3) A sock puppet for "baseball55"
4) Another antisocial loser trolling me
>They did this to my Mother and she died.
You should be ashamed of yourself for bringing up the death of your mother. Do you have no respect for the woman who gave birth to you and raised you?!
>The docs had no idea at the time how dangerous steroids are. Age 48 dead from a docs prescription. Phillipa
Don't put the blame on docs. Nobody in his/her right mind takes steroids for bodybuilding, that holds true especially for women.
Here's some educational information about the steroids (anabolics)you're referring to:
http://www.steroidabuse.com/dangers-of-steroid-abuse.html
Btw, on my thread above you can read about how I caught you and baseball55 with your pants down.
Your sick and silly mind games are OVER.cellular
Posted by ihatedrugs on January 25, 2013, at 1:45:19
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by cellular on January 24, 2013, at 22:28:58
Posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 15:40:33
In reply to Cellular say no to trolls (nm) » cellular, posted by ihatedrugs on January 25, 2013, at 1:45:19
Hello Ihatedrugs,
I appreciate your well-meant tip.
That would be an option, if this board were about politics, for example, but psychobabble is a site intended for people with pschiatric disorders who want to share experiences and information.This should not be a site for sociopathogical individuals such as baseball55 who feel the need to act out their sadistic, aggressive urges in order to gain some sick satisfaction.
People like that should be banned from posting here, because they'll likely don't even shy away from lying and committing outright libel -- as is the case with baseball55 -- when trying to victimize those they deem unable to defend themselves.
Little did baseball55 know that he picked the "wrong" person for playing his sick mind games with.
After I turned the table, he quit attacking me directly and resorted to inciting others such as Phillipa and Phil via babblemail to gang up on me.
Baseball55 must have been whining like a little girl to make them "stick up" for him, LOL.
I even noticed in one of his posts that he made a spelling error while claiming to be "unsual cool, but...". This is the last piece of evidence that showed me that I've successfully gotten back at him. He "lost" and the game is over.I won't be able to visit this board on a regular basis. However, if I caught him stalking yet another newbie, I'll have the newbie's back, that's for sure.
The best solution to keep such aggressive, antisocial sickos away from trying to hurt their potential victims would be for society to lock them up in an asylum where they can bash their heads against each other...
cellular
Posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2013, at 18:14:26
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by cellular on January 24, 2013, at 22:28:58
Steroids taken for Addison's disease. I'm not some idiot but think whatever you like. Phillipa
Posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 19:20:02
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » cellular, posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2013, at 18:14:26
You're not an idiot, Phillipa, nonetheless you and your buddy baseball55 fit the clinical definition of
"Antisocial personality disorder" (ASPD)
as described by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, fourth edition (DSM-IV).Here are some of the common features and descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths, as people with ASPD -- such as you two -- are commonly termed:
~Glibness and Superficial Charm
~Manipulative and Conning
~They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
~Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."~Pathological Lying
~Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
~Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
~A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
~Shallow Emotions
~When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
~Incapacity for Love
~Need for Stimulation
~Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
~Callousness/Lack of Empathy
~Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
~Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim.
Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.~Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.~Irresponsibility/Unreliability
~Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
~Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.~Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
~Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
~Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
~Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
Other Related Qualities:
~Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them~Authoritarian
~Secretive
~Paranoid
~Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
~Conventional appearance
~Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
~Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
~Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
~Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
~Incapable of real human attachment to another
~Unable to feel remorse or guilt
~Extreme narcissism and grandiose
~May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)
NOTE:
In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity."
By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality."
More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV.cellular
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 25, 2013, at 20:12:30
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 19:20:02
goodness celluar....phillipa and baseball ... there not ASP....really if they where they would talk about wierd things like i do...lol
whats making you mad over this?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 25, 2013, at 20:18:27
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 19:20:02
thanks for posting that....not relating to the subject of this post....but that explains alot of other people i know in real life....
whats like a way to stop people with antisocial personality stuff...expose their wicked ways...because really i hate these kinda of people, their predators.
Posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2013, at 20:31:54
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » Phillipa, posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 19:20:02
Glad posts are not deleted as this is libel. Must be tranference back to self. Time for me to work. bye
Posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 21:03:31
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal, posted by rjlockhart37 on January 25, 2013, at 20:18:27
> thanks for posting that....not relating to the subject of this post....but that explains alot of other people i know in real life....
>
> whats like a way to stop people with antisocial personality stuff...expose their wicked ways...because really i hate these kinda of people, their predators.Hi rjlockhart37,
You hit the nail on the head:
Exposing sociopaths and their sick behavior is the most effective way to deal with them, both in real life and on the internet. I successfuly did so with baseball55 and his accomplice Phillipa.As you might have read, it started out with baseball55 on my corticosteroid thread trolling me, so I turned the table on him and am LMAO about him crawling away like a beaten dog :)
If you're interested in more detail about such antisocial individuals, here's an informative site with links to other online resources:
Inside the Mind of a Sociopath
http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm
Take care,
cellular
Posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 21:11:43
In reply to Re: xanax withdrawal » cellular, posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2013, at 20:31:54
> Glad posts are not deleted as this is libel. Must be tranference back to self. Time for me to work. bye
ROFL another troll bites the dust :)
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 27, 2013, at 0:44:56
In reply to Re: Cellular say no to trolls » ihatedrugs, posted by cellular on January 25, 2013, at 15:40:33
> This should not be a site for sociopathogical individuals ... who feel the need to act out their sadistic, aggressive urges in order to gain some sick satisfaction.
>
> People like that should be banned from posting here, because they'll likely don't even shy away from lying and committing outright libel ... when trying to victimize those they deem unable to defend themselves.
>
> I won't be able to visit this board on a regular basis.
>
> The best solution to keep such aggressive, antisocial sickos away from trying to hurt their potential victims would be for society to lock them up in an asylum where they can bash their heads against each other...It is sometimes necessary for the authorities to step in.
If you do visit again, please don't be sarcastic, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, or exaggerate or overgeneralize.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
--
> I even noticed in one of his posts that he made a spelling error ... This is the last piece of evidence that showed me that I've successfully gotten back at him. He "lost" and the game is over.
The "game" here is support and education. Do you think you won that one?
Bob
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