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Posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
First, I've missed you all very much. I've been thinking of you all and hoping that things are getting better for you all. And a belated happy holidays and happy new year to you all.
I've been in hospitals for 3 weeks.
1. Parnate caused Rhabdomyolysis; put me in the hospital for a week, part of that time in the ICU in a coma. They told me I'mm lucky to be alive. And that I'm lucky that my kidney function recovered.
2. Just one day after being home after the delightful Rhabdo experience, I developed excruciating abdominal pain. I was screaming it hurt to bad. So I took an overdose of Klonopin (23mg) solely in an effort to try to become unconscious and escape the pain. I realized quickly what a boneheaded move it was and threw them up. But pain got even worse so hubby took me back to ER, and b/c he was so scared, told them about the Klonopin. It was decided by all the staff that it was a suicide eattempt, no matter what I told them. They would give me no pain meds. Spent night in ICU with a nurse that had absolutely no compassion for me, in fact she disdained me. After an MRI they determined it was a bad case of biliary colic and that my gallbladder had to be removed.
3. While at hospital for number 2, an utter *ssh*l* of a pdoc had me commited to a psych hospital b/c of my "suicide attempt" If he had listened he would have known it absolutely was not a suicide attempt; in fact, I am scared to die. Spent a week at the psych hospital. Started on a low dose of Wellbutrin, which helps my depression a bit but gives me bad anxiety. Pdoc is calling in an order for Teegretol to try to help my anxiety. Finally discharged from hospital the day before tomorrow.
4. I get home after discharge only for us to find out that very night that one of our beloved cats, Jack, has probable lymphoma. I am devastated.
I feel destroyed.
But at least I am home.
Thanks for listening and reading my long post. Once again, I truly hope you are all feeling better. There just has to be an answer for each one of us. Take good care of yourselves everyone.
Kat
Posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:17:46
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
First, my reactions to what you have just gone through:
:-(>:-(
:-(
I'm sorry about the Parnate reaction. It must have been hellish.You are very resilient. Very. It was not at all fair that you should have suffered such ignorance. Perhaps something good will come of it. The psychiatrist may have come close to getting it right for you. It might be in your best interests to try to build a treatment regime around Wellbutrin. Adding an atypical antipsychotic and a mood stabilizer or two might do the trick. I prefer Trileptal to Tegretol, although Tegretol has been studied more. With Tegretol, you must take frequent blood tests to screen for agranulocytosis. Also, Tegretol tends to produce cognitive side effects and sedation. Trileptal, its sister drug, seem to be just as effective as a mood stabilizer and is a cleaner drug. It lacks the risk of angranulocytosis, cognitive impairments, and sedation. It is possible that Tegretol was chosen precisely for its sedative effects. Then again, it might be the only choice appearing in their official "playbook".
Wellbutrin + Trileptal + Latuda?
Please keep posting.
You sure are resilient!
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:19:55
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
Oops. I almost forgot!
:-)
- Scott
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 4, 2013, at 15:40:07
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
God, what an awful series of events - so sorry for you kat, very glad to see you back.
If the welbutrin works for your depression, maybe try and stick with it, and hit the anxiety with other drugs
As well as taking the Tegretol, anxiety might be helped by
- Adding Zoloft or lexapro to the regimen, to hit seretonin as well as noradrenalin and dopamine
- Adding Atatrax, its old, cheap and simple, but a lot of people find it very helpful, especaily when long term benzos arnt an option
- Trying the benzo Tranxene (chlorazepate), tolorance is said to occur more slowly to this compound than other benzos, because it is only a partialagoiist at the GABA receptor
- Somthing completely different to what I have suggested!
Very sorry to hear about your cat, a pet dying can realy hurt
Will you need to have surgery on your gall bladder?
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:17:46
> First, my reactions to what you have just gone through:
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> :-(
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> :-(
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> I'm sorry about the Parnate reaction. It must have been hellish.
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> You are very resilient. Very. It was not at all fair that you should have suffered such ignorance. Perhaps something good will come of it. The psychiatrist may have come close to getting it right for you. It might be in your best interests to try to build a treatment regime around Wellbutrin. Adding an atypical antipsychotic and a mood stabilizer or two might do the trick. I prefer Trileptal to Tegretol, although Tegretol has been studied more. With Tegretol, you must take frequent blood tests to screen for agranulocytosis. Also, Tegretol tends to produce cognitive side effects and sedation. Trileptal, its sister drug, seem to be just as effective as a mood stabilizer and is a cleaner drug. It lacks the risk of angranulocytosis, cognitive impairments, and sedation. It is possible that Tegretol was chosen precisely for its sedative effects. Then again, it might be the only choice appearing in their official "playbook".
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> Wellbutrin + Trileptal + Latuda?
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> Please keep posting.
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> You sure are resilient!
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> - Scott
>Friends,
It is written here that trileptal lacks the risk of agranulocytosis. This is a lie, and a lie that could kill you.
You see, I would like for you to make a more informed decision as to if there is great deception being promulgated here, and if you are a parent trying to decide as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrst/doctor, be advised that I am prevented from posting here what I think could save your life, the life of your child if being drugged, and prevent life -ruining conditions and addictions. And much more than that, these drugs being advocted here could induce a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves and/or others , even commit mass-murder.
You could go to the admin board here and see the hate dumped upon me that is being allowed by Mr Hsiung to be done including using me as a scapegoat, allowing antisemitic statements to stand, and to post gross defamation toward me and lies about me. The epithet {Prince of Death} is being put on me by a member here and Mr Hsiung also allows it for him to use to toward me. The Prince of Death is a name for Satan, and it is a lie that I am Satan. But you may be indoctrinated against me here by seing all of this being allowed which I think could distort your reasoning in relation to making a more informed decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. This could lead to death wheras I have come here to lead you to life , and life more abundantly. What I could tell you comes from a Jewish perspective and the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is prohibited here to me by Mr Hsiung. How could you make a more informed decision, as to take these drugs or not, if there is the repression of my perspectve as a Jew here? And Mr Hsiung states for you to try and trust him for he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. Do you know who else said that?
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/trileptal/agranulocytosis
Posted by brynb on January 4, 2013, at 16:10:11
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:17:46
Posted by brynb on January 4, 2013, at 16:10:53
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:15:26
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:17:46
Thank you so much Scott for your kind and helpful words. It's funny to hear myself called resilient, but I appreciate the compliment. I was in hell, but I was simply determined to get through it so I could get back home, and thank goodness I have made it! I must admit I am utterly exhausted. And I look in the mirror and I look as though I have aged quite a bit. Oh well, main thing is I'm home :)
Now on to trileptal v tegretol....doess trileptal help with anxiety? That is the main reason my pdoc is starting tegretol. Benzos are out for me, my tolerance level has reached the moon, and Neurontin has stopped working for me, even at the max dose.
But if Trileptal does help anxiety I will ask my pdoc about it. I'm well aware of the dangers of Tegretol, it's a drug that is scary to me, and I'd much rather take something else if it is cleaner and can help the anxiety I get from Wellbutrin.
Thanks Scott...and btw, I've been gone so long, how are you doing these days?
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:16:32
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back, posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:19:55
> Oops. I almost forgot!
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> :-)
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> - Scott:)
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:23:38
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 4, 2013, at 15:40:07
> God, what an awful series of events - so sorry for you kat, very glad to see you back.
>
> If the welbutrin works for your depression, maybe try and stick with it, and hit the anxiety with other drugs
>
> As well as taking the Tegretol, anxiety might be helped by
>
> - Adding Zoloft or lexapro to the regimen, to hit seretonin as well as noradrenalin and dopamine
>
> - Adding Atatrax, its old, cheap and simple, but a lot of people find it very helpful, especaily when long term benzos arnt an option
>
> - Trying the benzo Tranxene (chlorazepate), tolorance is said to occur more slowly to this compound than other benzos, because it is only a partialagoiist at the GABA receptor
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> - Somthing completely different to what I have suggested!
>
> Very sorry to hear about your cat, a pet dying can realy hurt
>
> Will you need to have surgery on your gall bladder?Thanks for your kind words and advice Jono. :)
Yep, that's the idea; the wellbutrin does seem to help a bit with my depression...I'm still at an incredibly low dose...100mg qd....but I think if we can hit the anxiety I get from it we'll be able to increase the dose on it. Yes, I was thinking of asking my pdoc about adding Lexapro; it has helped my anxiety in the recent past, even though it does squat for my depression anymore. As far as Atarax goes, I'm afraid it makes me feel like I've been hit by a massive truck, it makes me almost unable to function :( I am interested in the Tranxene though, will ask my pdoc about it.
Thanks again Jono, and tell me, how are you doing these days??
Kat
Posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:26:07
In reply to Welcome back =) (nm) » ChicagoKat, posted by brynb on January 4, 2013, at 16:10:53
Thanks bryn! :)
Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:08:19
In reply to Re: Welcome back =) » brynb, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:26:07
Kat got some writing to do. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:09:22
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 4, 2013, at 18:27:36
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » jono_in_adelaide, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 17:23:38
I'm doing pretty well kat, all things considered :)
I'm taking more pills than elvis, but I'm feeling good, and have got the Xanax back down to 1mg twice a day
Posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 20:05:47
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
> > Also, Tegretol tends to produce cognitive side effects and sedation. Trileptal, its sister drug, seem to be just as effective as a mood stabilizer and is a cleaner drug. It lacks the risk of angranulocytosis, cognitive impairments, and sedation.
> It is written here that trileptal lacks the risk of agranulocytosis. This is a lie
For a statement to be a lie, there must be intent to deceive. Are you intimating that I am lying?
- Scott
Posted by 10derheart on January 4, 2013, at 20:16:10
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Shame, shame, shame on you, Lou.
I am disapppointed.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 20:33:39
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2013, at 18:09:22
> Lou leave Kat alone!!!! Enough is enough!!! And do not post to me!!!! Phillipa
Friends,
It is written above that I am to leave Kat alone.
This forum is for support and education. Support is not the same as reinforcement. Suppose someone posted here that the earth was flat and they were going in a cruise and were worried that they would fall off the earth. Now do you see that support is not the same as reinforcement?
Now education is important here in a great way. And to suppress any facts is what kills education and could lead one down a false path. To repress one member's voice leads to the loss of education to other paths. And education that is prohibited is not education at all, but only an indoctrination to one person's thinking. And when one person's thinking here is all that you can have, then you get a deception, a deception that becomes an indoctrination, an indoctrination that could lead to death. I have come to lead you to what could give you life, and life more abundantly. What good will it do you to know all the lies of the world, and loose your own life?
My friends, be not deceived. As the sun comes from the East and sets in the West, so shall the light of truth expose the lies of the world. And in that Day, many will say that they did not see the light of truth, but is that not the same as saying that they loved the darkness more than the light?
Lou
Posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 20:35:15
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
Hey Kat, it's good to see you're still alive. We were all very worried about you, even Lou, in his own incomprehensible way. I hope your family understood the severity of what you were going through. Any idea if this was a freak occurrence of Parnate use, or the result of some drug interaction? Also, don't forget that nortriptyline has some sort of severe contraindications with Wellbutrin.
Posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 20:40:55
In reply to Re: A battered Kat is back » ChicagoKat, posted by SLS on January 4, 2013, at 15:17:46
> First, my reactions to what you have just gone through:
>
>
> :-(
>
> >:-(
>
> :-(
>
>
> I'm sorry about the Parnate reaction. It must have been hellish.
>
> You are very resilient. Very. It was not at all fair that you should have suffered such ignorance. Perhaps something good will come of it. The psychiatrist may have come close to getting it right for you. It might be in your best interests to try to build a treatment regime around Wellbutrin. Adding an atypical antipsychotic and a mood stabilizer or two might do the trick. I prefer Trileptal to Tegretol, although Tegretol has been studied more. With Tegretol, you must take frequent blood tests to screen for agranulocytosis. Also, Tegretol tends to produce cognitive side effects and sedation. Trileptal, its sister drug, seem to be just as effective as a mood stabilizer and is a cleaner drug. It lacks the risk of angranulocytosis, cognitive impairments, and sedation. It is possible that Tegretol was chosen precisely for its sedative effects. Then again, it might be the only choice appearing in their official "playbook".
>
> Wellbutrin + Trileptal + Latuda?
>
> Please keep posting.
>
> You sure are resilient!
>
>
> - Scott
>SLS, I was wondering what you could tell me about Latuda. This one slipped under the radar for me until about a week ago. I've heard some anecdotal reports that it has a mild side-effect profile for an AA. Would it be useful for depression or anxiety (keeping in mind that I wasn't successful with risperidone.) Any reason why this drug wouldn't have been suggested to me by my Pdoc?
Posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 22:40:53
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
This isn't the time or place Lou. F uck right off.
Posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 22:42:48
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-dhth » Lou Pilder, posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 22:40:53
Sorry for my temper but it can get worse.
Posted by schleprock on January 4, 2013, at 22:50:17
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Yeah Lou, PFHKUVF!
Posted by Phil on January 4, 2013, at 23:39:58
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
When someone has nearly died and then been put through a living nightmare would you consider putting the politics of medications aside and say to that person that you are sorry they have endured so much and that you will say a prayer for them?
Isn't that what faith and belief in God tells you to do?
My anger was directed at your actions, not at you. Compared to being right or wrong about a medication, it means nothing compared to empathy and compassion. Isn't that what you say that you yourself are lacking here?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on January 4, 2013, at 23:41:34
In reply to Lou's warning-dhth » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 4, 2013, at 16:08:13
Lou, you have to stop posting this stuff....rerember that comment you told me...I don't know much of diet pills....you actually responded to a post in a normal manner....don't post about jews, scapegoat, death, and the terrible mr. hssuing, just let it go....converse with people on babble, say it in a natural manner, don't write these grandiose words of false encouragement on something that is not the topic, death from medications is rare rare rare...its the same thing of taking asprin.
Yes there are some cases, but they are rare, if this was happening everyday to where the news would broadcast it....then maybe post these grandiose messages of warning.....im scared of the big hsssuing too....i always see this big eye in magnifying glass looking at posts here....maybe you can write something amusing about the adventures of Hsiung....make us laugh
Please read this message over and absorb it....get this kinda of writing out of here....new stuff, relatable....
r
Posted by SLS on January 5, 2013, at 1:07:59
In reply to A battered Kat is back, posted by ChicagoKat on January 4, 2013, at 14:45:18
> I feel destroyed.
I hope that you feel supported here. People do like you, and want only the best for you.
:-)
I'm sorry about your kitty.
- Scott
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