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Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
Has anyone felt worse after receiving a flu shot? I am due for one, but I am concerned that activating the immune system might exacerbate my depression.
Any input would be appeciated.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Emme_V2 on December 26, 2012, at 6:26:24
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
> Has anyone felt worse after receiving a flu shot? I am due for one, but I am concerned that activating the immune system might exacerbate my depression.
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> Any input would be appeciated.
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> Thanks.
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> - ScottNo problems for me - I got mine in early November.
Posted by gadchik on December 26, 2012, at 7:34:17
In reply to Re: Flu shots? » SLS, posted by Emme_V2 on December 26, 2012, at 6:26:24
3 days after getting my flu shot, I developed panic,anxiety. Panic came on and off,anxiety lasted about a week. It did go away,and I assume it was my immune system being activated.
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 9:53:26
In reply to Re: Flu shots?, posted by gadchik on December 26, 2012, at 7:34:17
Seriously both I and husband got one 5 years ago and that winter we spend Christmas on the couch sick as dogs. Never ever a flu shot again. And a week ago my neighbor said she had gotten one two months ago and now is sick with both flu and bronchitis. She went to the doc who didn't even give antibiotics for the bronchitis said this year brochitis here is resistant to antibiotics. One neighbors husband has had bronchitis for over 16 weeks each week a shot of a different antibiotic, same with two others here. There are more but I has a mercury derivitive in it therma or something like this. Never ever a flu shot again. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 10:06:41
In reply to Re: Flu shots?, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 9:53:26
.naturalnews.com/038420_flu_shots_toxins_chemical_preservatives.html
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 10:08:29
In reply to Re: Flu shots?, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 10:06:41
Sorry I have a complete link on facebook on this. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 11:55:15
In reply to Re: Flu shots?, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 10:08:29
Medscape Medical NewsThimerosal for Vaccines: AAP Endorses WHO Statement
Larry Hand
Dec 17, 2012
Quite a discussion from this article on facebook with all saying that responded they would not get the flu shot. Most do not have mental illness. Phllipa
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) has endorsed the World Health Organization's (WHO's) Strategic Advisory Committee (SAGE) recommendation that thimerosal, a preservative used to prevent contamination in multidose vaccine vials, be exempted from a pending international treaty aimed at reducing global health hazards by limiting exposure to mercury, according to a statement published online December 17 in Pediatrics.The Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society and the International Pediatric Association have also endorsed the WHO SAGE recommendation.
In 1999, the AAP, in a joint statement with the US Public Health Service, advocated for elimination of mercury in vaccines but retired that recommendation in 2002. Three commentaries published simultaneously in Pediatrics support the AAP endorsement, provide perspective, and advocate for the continued use of thimerosal in vaccines.
At this time, the United Nations Environmental Program is developing an international treaty that would call for elimination of any controllable mercury pollution and exposure around the world. Under consideration, in addition to removing mercury from thermometers and other medical devices, is the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.
Such an action, according to WHO's SAGE document and the current commentators in Pediatrics, would severely limit current vaccine programs, particularly in developing countries, primarily because of limited manufacturing capacity to eliminate thimerosal and switch to single-use vials. In addition, no consensus alternative preservatives currently exist.
Thimerosal contains ethyl mercury, which has not been associated with any of the toxic effects linked to its relative compound, methyl mercury, a known neurotoxin. Studies since the late 1990s have found no evidence of harm from using thimerosal in vaccines, and the WHO endorsed the use of thimerosal in vaccines in 2008.
Overwhelming Evidence
In one of the commentaries, Walter A. Orenstein, MD, from Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, and colleagues write, "Overwhelmingly, the evidence collected over the past 15 years has failed to yield any evidence of significant harm, including serious neurodevelopmental disorders, from use of thimerosal in vaccines."
They add that increases in manufacturing costs in switching from multidose to single dose would "vary greatly from country to country, ranging from 200% to >500%. Single-dose vials would reduce manufacturing capacity and increase the amount of transportation and storage space required more than threefold. The resulting cold-chain requirements would be untenable in many areas of the world because of programmatic challenges and increased workload."
Although thimerosal is not generally used in the United States, where vaccines are now single-dose, it is still used for seasonal influenza vaccines, Dr. Orenstein and colleagues write. "Even in the United States, thimerosal could be critical for dealing with emergencies and the need to rapidly increase vaccine supply and delivery, such as during a serious pandemic of influenza."
In another commentary, Louis Z. Cooper, MD, a pediatrician with the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University, New York City, and Samuel L. Katz, MD, a pediatrician with the School of Medicine at Duke University, Durham, North Carolina, write that the 1999 recommendation was a quick response to a US Food and Drug Administration review of mercury content in biological products after passage of the Food and Drug Modernization Act of 1997. The review authors at that time concluded that the cumulative amount of mercury from vaccines given to young infants "could potentially" exceed US Environmental Protection Agency guidelines, which had wide safety margins.
At the time, no studies had evaluated whether thimerosal was safe, so the AAP and the US Public Health Service "were obligated to full public disclosure," Dr. Cooper and Dr. Katz write. "Data were not sufficient to explain the pharmacology or toxicology of this product or to compare it with that for the other mercury compounds," they add, explaining that "[t]he priority to 'first, do no harm' guides all [US Public Health Service] and AAP recommendations."
Had they been working from today's knowledge base, they continue, "it is inconceivable to us that these organizations would have made the joint statement of July 7, 1999."
Global Justice
In the third commentary, Katherine King, PhD, from the Keenan Research Centre, Li Ka Shing Knowledge Institute, St. Michael's Hospital, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and colleagues write that some nongovernmental organizations oppose exempting thimerosal from the treaty, saying it would be "unjust to allow thimerosal to be used in [low- and middle-income countries] when its use has been all but phased out in wealthier nations." Quite the contrary, Dr. King and associates write, the nongovernmental organizations' "critique is misplaced. There is no injustice in allowing the use of thimerosal in vaccines. Rather, the real threat of injustice comes from considering the removal of this currently necessary and irreplaceable compound from the global vaccine supply, and the avoidable increases in morbidity and mortality that would inevitably result from disruptions to vaccination programs targeting already marginalized populations."
Eliminating thimerosal would effectively eliminate multidose vaccines such as tetanus toxoid, diphtheria-tetanuswhole cell pertussis, and hepatitis B vaccines, they explain.
"Currently, multidose vaccines containing thimerosal are used in >120 countries to immunize ~84 million children every year, saving the lives of ~1.4 million people annually," they write.
Dr. King and colleagues are members of the Ethical, Social, and Cultural Program for Global Health, which receives funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Authors of the other commentaries have disclosed no relevant financial relationships.
Pediatrics. Published online December 17, 2012. Statement,Orenstein commentaryCooper and Katz commentary, King commentary
Posted by Phil on December 26, 2012, at 12:03:15
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
Never had a problem and have gotten them for years. Didn't get the flu either.
Posted by Phil on December 26, 2012, at 12:23:19
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
I know you know this Scott but it doesn't offer 100% protection and it doesn't cause the flu. I know that a problem is rare when I search for 20 minutes on google and can't find anything. On the other hand the flu can potentially kill people or make them seriously ill to the point that death is an attractive option. I'll take my chances.
Posted by Phil on December 26, 2012, at 12:36:11
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
The CDC recommends getting a flu shot when they first become available. I think I got one in Sept. People often say that they got a flu shot and 4 days later got the flu. Well, this is why..It takes about two weeks after vaccination for antibodies to develop in the body and provide protection against the flu.
Flu shots have more misinformation about them than meds it seems.
Posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 13:18:46
In reply to One last thing :) » SLS, posted by Phil on December 26, 2012, at 12:36:11
Posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 14:01:04
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
scott,
i don't get flu shots because in the past i always felt worse afterwards. i haven't had a flu shot in over 12 years, and the last time i had the flu was 12 years ago.
that's my 2 cents ;).
-b
Posted by gadchik on December 26, 2012, at 14:02:27
In reply to Re: One last thing :) ---- Thanks, Phil (nm) » Phil, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 13:18:46
Do you think that I will always get anxiety when I get the flu shot? Ive had 2 shots in my life, the one before this was in 2007, and had anxiety on the 3rd day after that one too. Is this common when the immune system gets activated?
Posted by gadchik on December 26, 2012, at 14:04:27
In reply to Re: Flu shots? » SLS, posted by brynb on December 26, 2012, at 14:01:04
Bryn Ive never had the flu. I dont feel so good after the shots, either.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 26, 2012, at 17:20:07
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
I've only ever felt a sore arm and 24 hours of mild maliase, like you'd get with a mild head cold, never any effect on my mental state.
Posted by larryhoover on December 27, 2012, at 11:05:16
In reply to Re: Flu shots?, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2012, at 9:53:26
> Seriously both I and husband got one 5 years ago and that winter we spend Christmas on the couch sick as dogs. Never ever a flu shot again. And a week ago my neighbor said she had gotten one two months ago and now is sick with both flu and bronchitis. She went to the doc who didn't even give antibiotics for the bronchitis said this year brochitis here is resistant to antibiotics. One neighbors husband has had bronchitis for over 16 weeks each week a shot of a different antibiotic, same with two others here. There are more but I has a mercury derivitive in it therma or something like this. Never ever a flu shot again. Phillipa
Hey, P. Been a while, eh?
The flu shot does not protect against all variants of the influenza virus. The virus is constantly mutating, but it takes about six months to make sufficient serum to innoculate large numbers of people. This year, the flu shot I got protects against three strains of influenza, and lab tests by the health unit of confirmed cases have all been from those three strains. Their educated guess held up, so far.
Getting the flu more than two weeks after you got the shot simply indicates that you were exposed to a strain that was not included in the innoculation. You'll never know the flu you didn't catch, only the ones you did.
I doubt there are very many vaccines still using thimerosal (mercury-based preservative), but even if they are, the amount of mercury in there is less than that from one bite of salmon. On a risk/reward basis, the vaccine wins, IMHO.
I honestly believe that the most momentous medical advance in history was vaccination. But internet quacks have so distorted the risk/reward analysis that now people are refusing to vaccinate against deadly diseases such as measles, whooping cough, tetanus, meningitis, and polio. Oh, and also the deadly influenza virus.
Lar
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 27, 2012, at 22:01:31
In reply to Re: Flu shots? » Phillipa, posted by larryhoover on December 27, 2012, at 11:05:16
furthur to what the last poster said, a lot of what people refer to as "flu" isnt actualy influenza, its caused by other respiratory tract viral infections, which the flu vaccine doesnt protect against.
Posted by gadchik on December 31, 2012, at 13:18:34
In reply to Flu shots?, posted by SLS on December 26, 2012, at 5:27:21
Posted by SLS on December 31, 2012, at 14:59:40
In reply to Did you get it? (nm) » SLS, posted by gadchik on December 31, 2012, at 13:18:34
Not yet. I'll probably go on Wednesday.
I'll do it.
Thanks for caring.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by gadchik on December 31, 2012, at 15:34:28
In reply to Re: Did you get it? » gadchik, posted by SLS on December 31, 2012, at 14:59:40
I kinda I wish I didnt get the shot. But the news scared me when they stated that it arrived earlier and was more severe this year. I usually dont get one, and Ive never gotten the flu. Happy New Year to you Scott!
Posted by Phillipa on December 31, 2012, at 21:18:16
In reply to Re: Did you get it? » SLS, posted by gadchik on December 31, 2012, at 15:34:28
Seems bronchitis is more prevalent here than the flu. Seems it peaks in November. Most here had it then. So far no shot no flu and out in malls daily and other busy stores. I do take a lot of C sustained release and don't get diarrhea so could probably take a higher dose. I'm betting vitamins the longer you take them except for fat soluable require dosing adjustments also. Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on January 1, 2013, at 16:39:31
In reply to Re: Did you get it? » gadchik, posted by Phillipa on December 31, 2012, at 21:18:16
I doubt I will get another flu shot, just feel like crap since getting it, had same reaction in 2007 when I got last one. Then again, if i ever did get the flu, id feel like double crap...
Posted by Phillipa on January 1, 2013, at 21:00:44
In reply to Re: Did you get it? » Phillipa, posted by gadchik on January 1, 2013, at 16:39:31
Gadchik no I didn't get it. No flu shot. Phillipa
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