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Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on August 8, 2012, at 17:44:18
i've asked this before and you know I could just go back to the post where I first posted this. But like I have said the resistance to medications, there's got to be a awnser why these medication take little or no effect at all. I take them every night and everyday and its like my body doesnt at all respond to them, sometimes it may have a small effect but it doesnt last and I think its a placebo effect.
its hard to understand because there are some babblers here that may have an effect from a medication but they don't do well with it. It's not working at all in this case.
Does anyone know like someone who specializes maybe in this. Like the body system, where they could like do some tests? bloodwork...salvia test, anything that would detect that these absorbed, then after that's been figured out, i've gotta find more reasons.
Just anything...SLS, Jedi, Dr-Bob?? Phillipa? anyone here that knows maybe some aspects of why this is happening.
Much Apprication to all babblers who have posted to my posts. Thank you, and much reguards.
rj
Posted by Zyprexa on August 8, 2012, at 22:50:16
In reply to Experts here on babble...situation solution needed, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on August 8, 2012, at 17:44:18
have you taken abilify? When I stoped abilify my zyprexa didn't work at all it seemed. Slowly its getting better I can tell its working again. Or just maybe you are used to it and don't notice anymore.
Posted by Phillipa on August 8, 2012, at 22:57:41
In reply to Re: Experts here on babble...situation solution needed » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Zyprexa on August 8, 2012, at 22:50:16
How long have you been on this combo? Love Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 9, 2012, at 3:20:59
In reply to Re: Experts here on babble...situation solution needed, posted by Phillipa on August 8, 2012, at 22:57:41
yea i've taken abilify in the past...its a bit activating but for some reason it didnt mix well, but still I should of given it a try for a longer period. It loses its effect as you body gets used to it but this case im having almost anything I take either benydrel or my psych meds...it has no effect and there has got to be something besides classical drug resistance. I am so mad with my POS body I could just throw it away and have it incernerated for all the problems it has and is causing, its really difficult I get lightheaded, get confused during long sunexposure when other just get a little sweaty and keep working, I mean I start sweatin in airconditioned areas....and crave alot of water even though I drank tons of it...you know I read somwhere about Diabites[really misspelled sorry....] that it causes you to really thristy, and has similar effects of what I'm....ill just have to get another blood test done.
here's maybe a metaphore...its a good looking car sporty, fast, slick like me when im my real self....kinda like those old Geo Storms...they where cool looking but they where really cheap manufacktured material, and fall apart fast.
anyways, well lets talk something positve...no i've been on this combo for about maybe a year? Nuvigil was started about 5 months ago...the zyprexa and prozac combo now has been 2 years. It used to help when It actaully worked.
anyways....thanks for response but seriously I hope someone will know what to do for this case.
rj
Posted by Phillipa on August 9, 2012, at 19:37:26
In reply to Re: P and Z, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 9, 2012, at 3:20:59
Two years could it have pooped out? Phillipa
Posted by Novelagent on August 12, 2012, at 11:13:01
In reply to Experts here on babble...situation solution needed, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on August 8, 2012, at 17:44:18
Rj,
As everyone knows, psych meds don't actually work. You're not saying what "works" means for you. I think I recall you said amphetamines work for you still. Well, the only psychotropic that works is amphetamine, so there you go.
You have a classic case of a failure of expectations. It's not the drugs not working so much as you having too much of an expectation for what "works" means. Over time, you will come to accept that medications are not cures for mental illness, and have their limits, and meds only work when you combine them with therapy, surrounding yourself with a positive support system of people, and engaging yourself in exercise and throwing yourself into work and volunteering 24/7 so much that you cease to have the free time required to worry about whether a med is "working" or not.
You have too much free time, and that's compiusing your problems.
If you have psychosis, and experience positive symptoms despite taking an antipsychotic, you can try Clozaril, but again, I can't help you if you don't define what "works" means to you, so i don't know your symptoms.
> i've asked this before and you know I could just go back to the post where I first posted this. But like I have said the resistance to medications, there's got to be a awnser why these medication take little or no effect at all. I take them every night and everyday and its like my body doesnt at all respond to them, sometimes it may have a small effect but it doesnt last and I think its a placebo effect.
>
> its hard to understand because there are some babblers here that may have an effect from a medication but they don't do well with it. It's not working at all in this case.
>
> Does anyone know like someone who specializes maybe in this. Like the body system, where they could like do some tests? bloodwork...salvia test, anything that would detect that these absorbed, then after that's been figured out, i've gotta find more reasons.
>
> Just anything...SLS, Jedi, Dr-Bob?? Phillipa? anyone here that knows maybe some aspects of why this is happening.
>
> Much Apprication to all babblers who have posted to my posts. Thank you, and much reguards.
>
> rj
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 12, 2012, at 21:35:08
In reply to Re: Experts here on babble...situation solution needed, posted by Novelagent on August 12, 2012, at 11:13:01
Agree - you need to accept that pills cant fix every problem in your life.
You need therapy, a job and some interests outside of your own unhappiness
Posted by Zyprexa on August 12, 2012, at 22:34:53
In reply to Re: P and Z, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 9, 2012, at 3:20:59
It could be your diabetic from one of your mediations. Stoping that med could make it go away. Thats what happened with geodon for me. How much do you weigh? If your weight is rising that could be anouther reason the meds are less effective.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 14, 2012, at 15:40:21
In reply to Re: Experts here on babble...situation solution needed, posted by Novelagent on August 12, 2012, at 11:13:01
Yea...i guess, its just a couple years ago...they did actually have an effect. People here are confused and tell me to stop taking meds and stop depending on them, and they go out and talk about similar things that I talk about, and freak out if there dose is not correct....i mean really look at all these boards...that all they talk about and then when I mention something about this...they oh no you depend too much on medications, go the therpy...im already in f*ck*ng therpy, and getting tests done. I mean like these people have no idea that've already done the things they've told me to do, i had figured it out before the feedback was given. I was in psych hospital and they totally ripped my meds off and put me on high dose of Geodon which totally made me miserable....its like someone giving someone thorazine and when there miserable and can't even function..they say looks likes its work. Sterotype situation....so I'm satisfied with who I am, I apologize to no one. My mistakes are my mistakes...if people want to bring it up, that's what they represnt is accusation.
But anyways....most of my questions are simple...asking what is wrong and what do I get return? feedback that totally is not on the topic and accusation games. It's really... i mean one f*ck*ng feedback after another when they don't understand the goddanm point of the post. It's like "free licks", and then if I get mad they say I have an anger problem. It's lovely...anways, thanks
rj
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 14, 2012, at 16:03:48
In reply to Re: N, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 14, 2012, at 15:40:21
i mean really whats all this accusations your making....how would your react if larry hoover, sls started making judgements counteracting your opinion. Serously you really have pissed me off....and im not going to back down either, so you want to argue some more, make up some more accusation, ill be ready for it. You don't know me at all, the only thing you do is read my posts and make an opinion about it. You don't know how I live, you don't know how I think, the only thing you know is my med situation and what do you do? you make accusations....
ill be ready for you when decided to argue some more...
rj
Posted by ihatedrugs on August 18, 2012, at 0:50:19
In reply to Re: N, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 14, 2012, at 16:03:48
> i mean really whats all this accusations your making....how would your react if larry hoover, sls started making judgements counteracting your opinion. Serously you really have pissed me off....and im not going to back down either, so you want to argue some more, make up some more accusation, ill be ready for it. You don't know me at all, the only thing you do is read my posts and make an opinion about it. You don't know how I live, you don't know how I think, the only thing you know is my med situation and what do you do? you make accusations....
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> ill be ready for you when decided to argue some more...
>
> rjRJ
I empathize with you. The worst thing any of us need is to have someone tell us that meds don't work or that we just have to work harder at being happy. Like this suffering is a choice. I like you, have suffered from trd. Early on, when I began treatment, meds worked, but later they began to lose their effectiveness sending me into a unending labyrinth of meds. I have tried so many only to find partial relief if lucky. Don't let people get the best of you. We are all different and our mental illness manifests in different forms and degrees.
As of tests, I think there is some sort of genetic testing that could reveal which meds are more likely to work. I don't know if it is available now, but if you are close to a teaching hospital you may look into it. New research is continously coming up with new theories and possible treatments. The three links below are some of the new ways scientists are looking for novel and more effective treatments. Good luck and may you find relief soon.http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-06-link-neuritin-gene-stress-depression.html
Posted by Novelagent on August 18, 2012, at 23:57:41
In reply to Re: N, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 14, 2012, at 16:03:48
I'm not here to make any accusation or judgment. I thought I was providing encouraging words that might make you feel better. Apparently I failed, and I'm suppose to feel bad about how you interpret the world. I don't.
> i mean really whats all this accusations your making....how would your react if larry hoover, sls started making judgements counteracting your opinion. Serously you really have pissed me off....and im not going to back down either, so you want to argue some more, make up some more accusation, ill be ready for it. You don't know me at all, the only thing you do is read my posts and make an opinion about it. You don't know how I live, you don't know how I think, the only thing you know is my med situation and what do you do? you make accusations....
>
> ill be ready for you when decided to argue some more...
>
> rj
Posted by Chris O on August 19, 2012, at 3:33:35
In reply to Experts here on babble...situation solution needed, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on August 8, 2012, at 17:44:18
Rich:
I don't have any answers for you. But God knows I can relate to the "no medications working for you" feeling. Over the last eight years, I took most of the SSRIs, in "high" doses, and I almost feel like...I'm not taking anything at all. Contrast this to the one year that I had success with SSRIs (1999), I took 20mg of Celexa for half a year, and 20mg of Prozac for half a year. I had all the side effects (twitchy hands, anorgasmia, dry mouth, etc.), but I definitely felt a benefit. They helped me keep my teaching job. Fast forward four years later, I'm taking 40mg/day of Lexago (that's supposed 80mg of Celexa/day from what I was told), nothing. 80mg Prozac/day, nothing. 75-100mg Paxil/day, nothing. 1200mg Serzone/day, nothing. And when I say nothing, I mean no side effects either. So, I don't know what's going with me, but like you, the SSRI-profile drugs are pretty much like placebo to me. Hope you find a solution that works long-term. I'm still looking.
Chris
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 28, 2012, at 19:53:08
In reply to Re: N » rjlockhart37, posted by Novelagent on August 18, 2012, at 23:57:41
happy to disappoint you...because you have to always prove a point your right, i don't give a fly f*ck what you think or how you feel. good day sir...
Posted by Chris O on August 28, 2012, at 23:09:00
In reply to Re: N, posted by rjlockhart37 on August 28, 2012, at 19:53:08
Rich:
"You have too much free time, and that's compiusing your problems."
What a terribly unhelpful and insensitive thing to say. It feeds into the idea that if we just keep busy, we don't have to deal with our feelings or our problems. I could not disagree more.
You just keep trying, man. Know that there are others out there (on this board and everywhere) who can empathize with your struggles. Not everyone has the ability to be empathic to what we are going through. Not everyone is able to understand that even if they found a solution that works for them, it might not work for others. I've read your posts and I support you in this unique psycho-cyber space way. I am sorry for your suffering. It is unjust and incomprehensible.
Chris
Posted by Novelagent on August 28, 2012, at 23:13:57
In reply to Re: N » rjlockhart37, posted by Chris O on August 28, 2012, at 23:09:00
You're suggesting someone with mental illness should not have engaging activites and be constructive members of society, and then making -me- out to be the insensitive one?
Sorry for thinking rj had potential. You're bascally telling him he's a lost cause and that he should do nothing with his life.
> Rich:
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> "You have too much free time, and that's compiusing your problems."
>
> What a terribly unhelpful and insensitive thing to say. It feeds into the idea that if we just keep busy, we don't have to deal with our feelings or our problems. I could not disagree more.
>
> You just keep trying, man. Know that there are others out there (on this board and everywhere) who can empathize with your struggles. Not everyone has the ability to be empathic to what we are going through. Not everyone is able to understand that even if they found a solution that works for them, it might not work for others. I've read your posts and I support you in this unique psycho-cyber space way. I am sorry for your suffering. It is unjust and incomprehensible.
>
> Chris
Posted by Chris O on August 29, 2012, at 6:31:57
In reply to Re: N » Chris O, posted by Novelagent on August 28, 2012, at 23:13:57
Novelagent:
I never said Rich was a "lost cause." I never said he shouldn't be engaging in activities, either. I just tried to give him empathy for what he was going through at the moment. In fact, I think everyone on these boards has great potential. I feel that supporting them where they are in their journey helps reach that potential. I respect that engaging in activity helps you (or others) deal with whatever you are going through. It just might not be the answer for everyone. And it might even be hurtful to some. That was my point.
Chris
Posted by Novelagent on August 29, 2012, at 9:33:58
In reply to Re: N » Novelagent, posted by Chris O on August 29, 2012, at 6:31:57
When life sucks, you can use a distraction. My lab mate committed suicide in 7th grade. For the next two weeks, I woke up at 4AM to do homework until the bus came. I would read the textbook in chapters we weren' even assigned yet, did projects not due for weeks in the quiet of a silent house. I was more productive than I'd ever been, and I had no idea it was in response to the suicide. But it worked. I was at peace with his death, and my brain worked things out in the background while I worked on school. That's how the brain works-- it needs to grapple with stuff by being thrown into work.
And honestly, it's clear, and this is not a dis to rj (it deeply saddens me he thinks I'm out to get him)-- it's clear rj is here because he isn't throwing himself into some project, and it's also clear that hasn't been working out for him so far.
I don't use this site much except while on my iPhone between doing other things, but it's clear people think using this site 24/7 is going to help their cause, and it's also clear that hasn't worked out for most here.
> Novelagent:
>
> I never said Rich was a "lost cause." I never said he shouldn't be engaging in activities, either. I just tried to give him empathy for what he was going through at the moment. In fact, I think everyone on these boards has great potential. I feel that supporting them where they are in their journey helps reach that potential. I respect that engaging in activity helps you (or others) deal with whatever you are going through. It just might not be the answer for everyone. And it might even be hurtful to some. That was my point.
>
> Chris
Posted by Chris O on August 29, 2012, at 10:54:35
In reply to Re: N, posted by Novelagent on August 29, 2012, at 9:33:58
Novelagent:
Hey, if "distraction" works for you, that's great. It sounds like it's something you should keep doing to maintain your mental health. Personally, it doesn't work for me. It makes things worse. And I don't think your conclusion that "...it's clear people using this site 24/7 is going to help their cause, and it's also clear that it hasn't worked out for most here" is valid at all. I think it's quite judgmental and insensitive. You simply cannot know whether or not this site helps people just because they keep coming here to vent, share, get empathy, etc. In fact, I would draw the opposite conclusion: People come here again and again because it does help them. I have come here sporadically over a twelve year period and the people here have always helped me, been supportive, and been empathic. I also think that many of us here are not able to function in the high stress "normal" world and that is comforting for us just to share and get empathy for those feelings of frustration.
Hey, I sincerely wish you luck with your strategy.
Chris
Posted by Novelagent on August 29, 2012, at 11:46:32
In reply to Re: N » Novelagent, posted by Chris O on August 29, 2012, at 10:54:35
Same to you, I hope this site does help people... Maybe there venting is less representative of where they actually are, I don't know. I do know this site was, in 2004, where I got the tip to import selegiline (this was before emsam came to the US) and combine it with DLPA. I only needed to take it for like 6 months, and it worked from day one because of the synergistic effect of that combo... It was for atypical depression. I stopped craving sleep everyday. It was great.
> Novelagent:
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> Hey, if "distraction" works for you, that's great. It sounds like it's something you should keep doing to maintain your mental health. Personally, it doesn't work for me. It makes things worse. And I don't think your conclusion that "...it's clear people using this site 24/7 is going to help their cause, and it's also clear that it hasn't worked out for most here" is valid at all. I think it's quite judgmental and insensitive. You simply cannot know whether or not this site helps people just because they keep coming here to vent, share, get empathy, etc. In fact, I would draw the opposite conclusion: People come here again and again because it does help them. I have come here sporadically over a twelve year period and the people here have always helped me, been supportive, and been empathic. I also think that many of us here are not able to function in the high stress "normal" world and that is comforting for us just to share and get empathy for those feelings of frustration.
>
> Hey, I sincerely wish you luck with your strategy.
>
> Chris
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