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Posted by alchemy on May 21, 2012, at 11:28:43
I'm just a sort-of bipolar II, just vary in the severity of depression. I don't stay up late, and will use ambien if I can't sleep. But I often have these ideas while I am laying in bed, or I get up after laying in bed. And then I wake up in the morning - what the heck was I thinking?.
Posted by Phillipa on May 21, 2012, at 12:21:33
In reply to Does mania usually happen in the PM?, posted by alchemy on May 21, 2012, at 11:28:43
That sounds more like catastrophic thinking which to me is anxiety based. Why you feel mania? Phillipa
Posted by papillon2 on May 21, 2012, at 17:14:05
In reply to Re: Does mania usually happen in the PM? » alchemy, posted by Phillipa on May 21, 2012, at 12:21:33
Yeah, I was thinking anxiety. My doc says lots of people get more anxious in the evenings. I've seen it in hospital, too.
Posted by alchemy on May 21, 2012, at 19:12:25
In reply to Re: Does mania usually happen in the PM?, posted by papillon2 on May 21, 2012, at 17:14:05
> Yeah, I was thinking anxiety. My doc says lots of people get more anxious in the evenings. I've seen it in hospital, too.
Interesting. Anxiety is worse for me in the mornings. When i had severe anxiety problems i would wake up at 5:30 every morning screaming with anxiety.
I guess out body clocks can all get messed up individually.
Posted by papillon2 on May 21, 2012, at 22:44:34
In reply to Re: Does mania usually happen in the PM?, posted by alchemy on May 21, 2012, at 19:12:25
> Interesting. Anxiety is worse for me in the mornings. When i had severe anxiety problems i would wake up at 5:30 every morning screaming with anxiety.
> I guess out body clocks can all get messed up individually.Yep, meanwhile my depression is worse in the morning. They call it 'diurnal mood variation'.
Posted by lawgrindmeintoground on May 23, 2012, at 18:29:35
In reply to Does mania usually happen in the PM?, posted by alchemy on May 21, 2012, at 11:28:43
> I'm just a sort-of bipolar II, just vary in the severity of depression. I don't stay up late, and will use ambien if I can't sleep. But I often have these ideas while I am laying in bed, or I get up after laying in bed. And then I wake up in the morning - what the heck was I thinking?.
Being bipolar II, I've noticed that almost all of my moods don't even show up until after lunch. I'll have a fine morning, then a manic/irritable/impulsive afternoon and evening. In me they've said it's cause I rapid-cycle, but I can't help but think the next day "wow what was going on with me last night!" so you're not alone in that.
Posted by alchemy on May 24, 2012, at 0:13:43
In reply to Re: Does mania usually happen in the PM? » alchemy, posted by lawgrindmeintoground on May 23, 2012, at 18:29:35
Ya, this rapid cycling/ cyclothymia thing is crazy. Years ago my depression was worse in the morning. It at least helped to know that the day would get better as I had to get up, get dressed, etc.
Now it's the afternoon. And maybe around 8pm eases up. But I had a thought...maybe it's the ambien that lifts me up and I get creative ideas. But I do think in the past I have had times like this without ambien. Who knows, bodies are weird, and the differences are weird.
Posted by SLS on May 24, 2012, at 6:42:51
In reply to Does mania usually happen in the PM?, posted by alchemy on May 21, 2012, at 11:28:43
> I'm just a sort-of bipolar II, just vary in the severity of depression. I don't stay up late, and will use ambien if I can't sleep. But I often have these ideas while I am laying in bed, or I get up after laying in bed. And then I wake up in the morning - what the heck was I thinking?.
As I believe someone already mentioned, the course of depression throughout the day can display a regular pattern. This diurnal variation should not be confused with a mood switch from depression to mania. True diurnal bipolar mood switches are rare and are labelled ultradian rapid cycling.
The differences you experience in thought content from evening to morning can be explained by biological mood drift. It could, on the other hand, be explained by a change in the operation of you psyche as you allow your thoughts to wander while laying in bed. Do you record the thoughts you have at night? It would be interesting to see if there is a common theme between them.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on May 24, 2012, at 20:55:07
In reply to Re: Does mania usually happen in the PM? » alchemy, posted by SLS on May 24, 2012, at 6:42:51
Scott never heard of this does it include nightmares early in am sweating and rapid pulse? Phillipa
Posted by alchemy on May 28, 2012, at 13:02:24
In reply to Re: Does mania usually happen in the PM? » alchemy, posted by SLS on May 24, 2012, at 6:42:51
> The differences you experience in thought content from evening to morning can be explained by biological mood drift. It could, on the other hand, be explained by a change in the operation of you psyche as you allow your thoughts to wander while laying in bed. Do you record the thoughts you have at night? It would be interesting to see if there is a common theme between them.
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I just feel more creative and motivated. Like the other night I was going to write a book. I wake up in the morning thinking that was a stupid idea and didn't make sense. Sometimes I have gotten up because I want to take advantage of some of the slight increase in motivation, but then staying up late would probably not be good for my "fragile" system. I want to explore if it's only when I take ambien.
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> - Scott
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