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Posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:37:26
I always liked it.
There are posts from those who like it and a minority from those who wonder if it causes cancer and other weird things.
Over a few years I took it every day, 300 or 600 mg/d.
Much later I found my PSA had risen from the low 2s to around7.
I could see that the rise of PSA was over the period of taking gabapentin.
So when I saw the urologist I told him my theory and asked for another PSA before I had the biopsy. I had stopped taking gabapentin 2 months before.
Well guess what? The PSA was down to 2.9.
I will still have the biopsy just in case. This is the time to cooperate with the doctors. Given the envy of the war on drugs mindset it is foolish to count on palliative care later.
Dying will be so interesting :)
Posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:41:20
In reply to Gabapentin, posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:37:26
I said to my psych today 'The world is so beautiful, but I don't know about the people', and he said 'They ruin it', and I thought 'I love you'.
Posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:43:28
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:41:20
So many I's in one sentence.
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 5:51:52
In reply to Gabapentin, posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:37:26
> I always liked it.
>
> There are posts from those who like it and a minority from those who wonder if it causes cancer and other weird things.
>
> Over a few years I took it every day, 300 or 600 mg/d.
>
> Much later I found my PSA had risen from the low 2s to around7.
>
> I could see that the rise of PSA was over the period of taking gabapentin.
>
> So when I saw the urologist I told him my theory and asked for another PSA before I had the biopsy. I had stopped taking gabapentin 2 months before.
>
> Well guess what? The PSA was down to 2.9.
>
> I will still have the biopsy just in case. This is the time to cooperate with the doctors. Given the envy of the war on drugs mindset it is foolish to count on palliative care later.
>
> Dying will be so interesting :)^^^
Hey Sig,
I'm taking Lyrica which, as I understand, is the newer, or more refined, form of Gabapentin...???
^^^Not sure if I'm wording that right.?.?Correct me if I'm wrong. I ended up on it for neuropathic pain that I am experiencing from a recent broken leg.
What I have discovered, is that, it is managing some muscle spasms that I developed while taking psychiatric chemicals. I can't say, with certainty, that psychiatric drugs were the cause of my leg spasms.
I just know that breaking my leg to discover this wonderful relief, in the form of Lyrica, has been a godsend,,,,or Buddha,etc...whatever....lol.
I had been on an exhaustive search for relief from constant spasms in my legs for probably close to three years! I'm not kidding! I went to; several primary care physicians, three neurologists, and at least, one emergency room visit to find a tool to help me manage my leg spasms.
While in the emergency room, they discovered that my blood pressure was off the charts! They kept me in there for a couple of hours trying, in vain, to get it under control. They finally sent me home with some medicine to bring my blood pressure under control, as well as, advice to follow up with my primary care physician.
Three years prior to this, I was running five miles (however many kilometers that is, lol) a day. I was also lifting weights. My exercise regimen was my attempt to gain better health. My mental health was a factor in my drive to gain better physical health, if that makes sense.?.?
........anyways........my point is, I was in top physical health and I attribute psychiatric medications to my sudden decline in physical health......well.....I fell off the exercise regimen and wasn't taking very good care of myself sooooo, I hold part of that burden as well. I just think my problems were exasperated by psychitric chemicals.
I'm not sure if it is affecting my mood from a normal baseline, as the leg spasms have negatively affected my quality of life greatly! I haven't been on psychiatric chemicals (except low dose klonopin) since 2006. It is affecting my mood, in that, I can actually forget about the leg spasms now, that have been plaguing me for probably 7 years 24/7!!! This is huuuuuge in my present state of being!
I am aware of some of the possible ugly side effects that I may experience but, I don''t believe that I have experienced any yet, but I've only been taking it for the last 2-1/2 month's so, time will tell...???
I wasn't aware of the PSA side effect. I guess I will have to do some more investigation. I just have been experiencing the great relief and have been busy with other things that I couldn't while the leg spasms were bugging me. And some of those things include, taking a daily nap. That wasn't possible, or was very rare for me (to take a nap) when I am experiencing my leg spasms.
So, one positive vote from me regarding Gabapentin, or Lyrica, in my case. My situation is a little different, I know.
That's pretty much it except, I'm getting tired of typing so I'm checking out.
Here's to hoping we all can escape whatever terrible version of hell we all (may be) experiencing!
Posted by Phillipa on May 14, 2012, at 9:45:50
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 5:51:52
Two females I know take it for sleep. One lives next door. I wonder what it does for females?The neighbor takes it with xanax. Great for sleep she says. All I know is she's always in a good mood and going and doing things. Sigi where you been BTW? Phillipa
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 13:07:09
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by Phillipa on May 14, 2012, at 9:45:50
> Two females I know take it for sleep. One lives next door. I wonder what it does for females?The neighbor takes it with xanax. Great for sleep she says. All I know is she's always in a good mood and going and doing things. Sigi where you been BTW? Phillipa
^^^
It helps me to sleep. (Lyrica, that is) I guess it makes me a little dizzy too. I'm still withdrawing from the narcotics that were prescribed for me when I broke my leg so, my equilibrium may not be entirely intact at this point in time.I know that on med checker, benzos are contraindicated with Lyrica. I took 1 mg. of klonopin with the Lyrica, as my doctors did not advise me otherwise, and I was experiencing some anxiety. Whoowee! That was a mistake! Kicked my a**! I won't be mixing benzos with Lyrica anytime soon.
I would advise caution to those considering that ^^^ combination!
Regards........
Posted by rculater on May 14, 2012, at 14:12:13
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 5:51:52
Im glad you have relief from spasms. What dosage is your dosage ? I knpw its early but have you gained any weight ? Any other side effects you have noticed ?
Posted by herpills on May 14, 2012, at 15:54:43
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 5:51:52
Hi ToC- I don't know if/what kind of anxiety you might have, but you mentioned Klonopin, anyway my question is do you think Lyrica helps anxiety? herpills
Posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 18:28:45
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 5:51:52
>Here's to hoping we all can escape whatever terrible version of hell we all (may be) experiencing!
I have made an elementary effort to translate this into Spanish!...........
What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust
Posted by Phillipa on May 14, 2012, at 20:46:43
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 13:07:09
I've heard from others that lyrica depending on the dose does different things. Oh is lyrica gabepentin? I thought they were entirely different meds? Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 14, 2012, at 20:55:01
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 5:51:52
Hey have you seen a neurolist of spine as I did found out the spasms I have are called benign fasiculations but they don't hurt. Just get cramps in certain positions. I know don't want lyric as water gain and I've heard escalation of doses happen quite a lot. Saw a PT for consult on back today found out all the excercise running and situps and crunches are bad for my back. Seems all the old ways have changed. Was also told weights in gyms are terrible for the skeletin. Phillipa
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 22:54:11
In reply to Re: Gabapentin » TiredofChemicals, posted by rculater on May 14, 2012, at 14:12:13
> Im glad you have relief from spasms. What dosage is your dosage ? I knpw its early but have you gained any weight ? Any other side effects you have noticed ?
I am at 150 mg. twice daily. I am going to approach my primary care in the hopes that I will be prescribed Lyrica for the management of my spasms.
I don't think that I have gained any significant weight....not sure actually, as I have no scale. I guess I will have an idea when I see my primary care soon.
I don't think that I am experiencing any side effects. I guess I may be affected mentally, I've been kind of "down" as of late. Then again, I am coming off a glorious episode of pain killers after I broke my leg. (kidding)
Thanks for your concern.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 22:55:39
In reply to Re: Gabapentin » TiredofChemicals, posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 18:28:45
> >Here's to hoping we all can escape whatever terrible version of hell we all (may be) experiencing!
>
> I have made an elementary effort to translate this into Spanish!...........
>
> What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
> Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
> You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
> A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
> And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
> And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
> There is shadow under this red rock,
> (Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
> And I will show you something different from either
> Your shadow at morning striding behind you
> Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
> I will show you fear in a handful of dust
Thanks sig,It sometimes helps just to know somebody is listening.
Regards
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 22:58:48
In reply to Re: Gabapentin » TiredofChemicals, posted by Phillipa on May 14, 2012, at 20:46:43
> I've heard from others that lyrica depending on the dose does different things. Oh is lyrica gabepentin? I thought they were entirely different meds? Phillipa
They are different meds. My understanding, is that, Lyrica is the more potent form of Gabapentin. Somebody more knowledgeable may chime in if they know the more "correct" answer. I googled it a while ago and that is what comes to my memory.
Thanks, Phillipa.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 23:05:03
In reply to Re: Gabapentin » TiredofChemicals, posted by Phillipa on May 14, 2012, at 20:55:01
> Hey have you seen a neurolist of spine as I did found out the spasms I have are called benign fasiculations but they don't hurt. Just get cramps in certain positions. I know don't want lyric as water gain and I've heard escalation of doses happen quite a lot. Saw a PT for consult on back today found out all the excercise running and situps and crunches are bad for my back. Seems all the old ways have changed. Was also told weights in gyms are terrible for the skeletin. Phillipa
Yep, I too, have benign spasms. Well, they ain't so "benign" to me! lol They cause me great anxiety and discomfort. Strangely, I've learned recently that benign sapsms could be caused by over exertion in exercize. Damn! And I thought I was doing it right! lol....well, I'm all better now as I don't lift a finger anymore haha. Seriously, I gotta get out and take a walk or bike ride.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 23:18:03
In reply to Re: Gabapentin » TiredofChemicals, posted by herpills on May 14, 2012, at 15:54:43
> Hi ToC- I don't know if/what kind of anxiety you might have, but you mentioned Klonopin, anyway my question is do you think Lyrica helps anxiety? herpills
Sorry herpills, I answered out of order.You know? Sometimes I think that it is helping with my anxiety. Lately though, not so much. I am withdrawing from opiates presently so, my anxiety is probably heightened. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance.
I was reeealllyyy leary of taking Lyrica once it was prescribed. In fact, I didn't take it for probably a week or two after it was presribed due to some of the side effects. It, like Gabapentin, has side effects that can affect a person mentally.
I only took it when the pain I was experiencing got so bad, that I reached for it in desperation. Gabapentin and Lyrica both have some pretty wild side effects that can easily be found on google.
I'm kinda' burnt out right now so, you're on your own lol, kidding. I gotta go back and look at all the side effects.
Thank you for your concern.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 23:24:30
In reply to Re: Gabapentin » TiredofChemicals, posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 18:28:45
> >Here's to hoping we all can escape whatever terrible version of hell we all (may be) experiencing!
>
> I have made an elementary effort to translate this into Spanish!...........
>
> What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
> Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
> You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
> A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
> And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
> And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
> There is shadow under this red rock,
> (Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
> And I will show you something different from either
> Your shadow at morning striding behind you
> Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
> I will show you fear in a handful of dust
That's pretty cool. At least you are in a place that you can ponder and reflect. I have been to the point that it sometimes makes it more difficult for me, at times, nowadays. Where did the innocence of childhood go?
Posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 23:59:41
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 22:58:48
>My understanding, is that, Lyrica is the more potent form of Gabapentin.
My impression has been that gabapentin is milder and has fewer side effects than does Lyrica, although right now I'm not sure what to think about it.
Posted by zazenducke on May 15, 2012, at 8:53:11
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by sigismund on May 14, 2012, at 3:41:20
Especie humana? No es necesario si los arbolitos son sus amigos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNDNWh7NmnY
> I said to my psych today 'The world is so beautiful, but I don't know about the people', and he said 'They ruin it', and I thought 'I love you'.
Posted by Phillipa on May 15, 2012, at 21:09:06
In reply to Re: Gabapentin, posted by TiredofChemicals on May 14, 2012, at 23:05:03
Walking is good. Got to build up butt muscles and core abdominal muscles with isometric excercises. unbelieveably just the few I did with him the PT guy left me so sore in the butt that know they are working. But now have to squeeze butt to walk!!!. Thinking of stuffing a pillow into my shorts in butt for visit next week and say hey " Your excercise really work so now what do I do". Just kidding but seriously seems there is something to this isometric stuff. Phillipa
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