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Posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 8:39:45
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 10:04:27
In reply to Article By Bruce E. Levine, posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 8:39:45
How do you view it. The one thing that struck me was the like between hypothyroidism and depression. Also stress to depression as I've always known that stress exists and can lead to depression. Also when diagnosed with hypothroidism was when I also was prescribed first ad. But nothing has changed but time gone by. Phillipa
Posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 13:16:37
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » ron1953, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 10:04:27
If you're interested, I suggest you read the book "Commonsense Rebellion". Levine poses well-researched, intelligent questions about the current state of institutionalized mental health. I think you'll find the book fascinating.
Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2012, at 15:02:02
In reply to Article By Bruce E. Levine, posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 8:39:45
These days we are taking baby steps from 'I did not inhale' to 'That was the point'.
It's the best we can do.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on April 14, 2012, at 16:03:22
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2012, at 15:02:02
I admit it......
I inhaled
a lot
Posted by Beckett on April 14, 2012, at 16:35:58
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » Phillipa, posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 13:16:37
> If you're interested, I suggest you read the book "Commonsense Rebellion". Levine poses well-researched, intelligent questions about the current state of institutionalized mental health. I think you'll find the book fascinating.
His books look interesting. Thank you for suggesting him. Right now I am satisfied with my mental health care which includes therapy that makes sense and medicine. That said, the shape of this care does not resemble what I have been getting for years and falling further behind, much of it based on the serotonin deficit theory and also the denial of pain and social injustice. (Yes, that bothers me.) What Levine wrote somewhere that our Happy Meals obviously weren't doing it for many of us in the States.
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 19:46:52
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » Phillipa, posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 13:16:37
Ron checked the link on the book. Does sound interesting as it is the fast pace of society and the stress in workplace. And the collapse of economy and medical care which in turn creates stress but does stress lower serotonin? That is a good googable question. Sorry for late reply been gone all afternoon. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 20:01:03
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » ron1953, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 19:46:52
Interesting on google on raising serotonin without meds. Phillipa
Posted by ron1953 on April 15, 2012, at 12:49:00
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2012, at 20:01:03
But the whole seratonin theory is just that - a theory, nothing more. Levine invites us to take a much broader look at the entire mental health care paradigm.
Posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2012, at 20:43:38
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » Phillipa, posted by ron1953 on April 15, 2012, at 12:49:00
What are your personal thoughts on this? Phillipa
Posted by ron1953 on April 15, 2012, at 21:59:10
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » ron1953, posted by Phillipa on April 15, 2012, at 20:43:38
Levine's writings are the first I've seen that gave voice to my thoughts and feelings. He hasn't said anything that I hadn't already thought or felt before - he just made sense of it. So again, all I can say is read the book and see what it says to YOU. Cheers!
Posted by Chris O on April 19, 2012, at 23:13:56
In reply to Article By Bruce E. Levine, posted by ron1953 on April 14, 2012, at 8:39:45
You know, I'm reading the summary of Levin's 2007 book in Wikipedia, in which he says depression's societal sources need to be confronted, and I find myself nodding my head in agreement. Many times I have thought if there were only a more compassionate job market, a more compassionate healthcare system, a way for me to navigate a world that does not seem like a Social Darwinist nightmare everyday, things might be better for me. But then I go out into the world and I see most people functioning relatively okay-ly, or at least non-clinical-anxiety-disorderly (my forte), and I think, "Well, I guess I've just got to find the right med to shake off this brain damage from my family'/s multigenerational codependence, depression, anxiety, and inability to function in the world."
But then I read that artIcle in alternet and I have to say that despite all the societal forces that contribute to my inability to function, I don't think Bruce Levin has ever experienced the kind of life-ruining 24-hour-a-day-365-days-a-year-panic/anxiety that I do. My anxiety disorder, though environmentally aggravated by societal forces, has a deep biological (or unconscious) component that demands some type of treatment if I want to do anything before I die. I wish that this were not the case, but it is.
Posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2012, at 19:58:37
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » ron1953, posted by Chris O on April 19, 2012, at 23:13:56
Chris I relate to this. Phillipa
Posted by Chris O on April 22, 2012, at 6:35:34
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » Chris O, posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2012, at 19:58:37
Thanks, Phillipa. I imagine a lot of people on this board do, too, especially those with more anxious depression.
Posted by ron1953 on April 29, 2012, at 17:50:20
In reply to Re: Article By Bruce E. Levine » ron1953, posted by Chris O on April 19, 2012, at 23:13:56
> You know, I'm reading the summary of Levin's 2007 book in Wikipedia, in which he says depression's societal sources need to be confronted, and I find myself nodding my head in agreement. Many times I have thought if there were only a more compassionate job market, a more compassionate healthcare system, a way for me to navigate a world that does not seem like a Social Darwinist nightmare everyday, things might be better for me. But then I go out into the world and I see most people functioning relatively okay-ly, or at least non-clinical-anxiety-disorderly (my forte), and I think, "Well, I guess I've just got to find the right med to shake off this brain damage from my family'/s multigenerational codependence, depression, anxiety, and inability to function in the world."
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> But then I read that artIcle in alternet and I have to say that despite all the societal forces that contribute to my inability to function, I don't think Bruce Levin has ever experienced the kind of life-ruining 24-hour-a-day-365-days-a-year-panic/anxiety that I do. My anxiety disorder, though environmentally aggravated by societal forces, has a deep biological (or unconscious) component that demands some type of treatment if I want to do anything before I die. I wish that this were not the case, but it is.
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Levine, like anyone, does not have all the answers, but I'd tend to think that in his practice, he's known more than a few people clients with (seemingly) intractable conditions such as yours that have responded to treatments other than drugs, as well as some that haven't. And yes, his lah-di-dah better world stuff may be as much a fantasy as the desire for perfect medications. But he provides well-researched, well thought-out opinions as to the state of institutionalized mental health care that are worth thinking about, and useful for those navigating the labyrinth.
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