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Posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 10:08:48
What causes OCD rumination. Something that started years ago as panic? No panic just always imagine the worst. But it seems to happen? So is it ocd or me? Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on January 30, 2012, at 14:48:46
In reply to Causes of OCD Rumination?, posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 10:08:48
OCD rumination is also known as 'worry'. Its a state the mind adopts when it feels it is in a low level of danger. Areas of the brain that seem to be involved are the prefrontal cortex and the nucleus accumbens. ALso the hypothalamus.
Eric
Posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:06:00
In reply to Re: Causes of OCD Rumination? » Phillipa, posted by phidippus on January 30, 2012, at 14:48:46
phillipa-
we have so much in common; not being able to smell, constant rumination, and i'm sure a lot more...
i'm sure it's in the archives, but i am curious as to how people attack ruminating thoughts.
thanks for any responses.
john
Posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 20:21:16
In reply to best med or therapy for rumination?, posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:06:00
John we are like two peas in a pod. Phillipa
Posted by papillon2 on January 30, 2012, at 20:50:24
In reply to best med or therapy for rumination?, posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:06:00
> i'm sure it's in the archives, but i am curious as to how people attack ruminating thoughts.
Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.
Posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:54:26
In reply to Re: best med or therapy for rumination? » JohnLA, posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 20:21:16
ha! :)
i like it phillipa.
i can't remember, but i think i already mentioned vosges chocolate bars to you?
check-out there site. they mix chocolate (dif types) w/all sorts of unique and tasty combos. especially for us ansomnics. my fave is the the barcelona bar. all you really need is one or two bites to satisfy. quite pricey, but worth it in my book.
what are the truffles you eat each night?
Posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 21:13:46
In reply to Re: best med or therapy for rumination?, posted by papillon2 on January 30, 2012, at 20:50:24
> > i'm sure it's in the archives, but i am curious as to how people attack ruminating thoughts.
>
> Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.thanks papillon2.
Posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 23:20:56
In reply to 2 peas in a pod...yes indeed! :), posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:54:26
Travel to only Lindtt store in NC in Raleigh when supply gets low. Boy I eat at least l0 a night but eat so little else that don't gain weight. Now I see about the archieves as remember this discussion. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on January 31, 2012, at 6:51:04
In reply to best med or therapy for rumination?, posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:06:00
Clomipramine (Anafranil)
How do you know that your ruminations are a symptom of OCD rather than depression?
- Scott
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http://www.anxietycare.org.uk/docs/ocdcarers.asp
What is the difference between obsession and rumination?These two descriptions of thought are often used as if they mean the same thing, technically they do not. Ruminations (or morbid preoccupations) are usually experienced by people who are depressed. They are thoughts that seem to stick in the head and go round and round with no solution. They are usually about activity in the past that the depressed person views as having a profound meaning in terms of his or her current value as a person. The depression makes poor interpretations of these facts and their meaning a real problem to the sufferer. These ruminations will almost invariably be about real happenings and mistakes in the past, albeit with a severe discolouration caused by the depression. So they will make sense to the ruminator even as they cause unhappiness. An outsider too might see such thoughts as having a rational if seriously over valued basis.
Obsessional thought, on the other hand, is mostly about current or future activity or activity in the immediate past and usually involves unrealistic fears. These might be of having inadvertently run somebody over or accidentally poisoning someone; or committing some grossly antisocial or illegal offence while out of control or distracted in some way. They too might take up a great deal of thinking time.
Anxiety Care has encountered people with both OCD and depression where the difference is hard, or impossible, to see. For example, endlessly thinking about cheating on ones income taxes ten years ago might be viewed as depressive rumination on the subject of being a dishonest person; but when this slips over into fears that the Inland Revenue and the police will come knocking on the door, does this make it an irrational belief and therefore an obsession? And if obsessional thinking requires a compulsion to neutralise it, does reassurance-seeking by endlessly talking to ones partner about the income tax problem constitute obsessive behaviour or the relief of excessive worry, and therefore make the problem more in the Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) area?
Posted by creepy on January 31, 2012, at 9:17:59
In reply to Causes of OCD Rumination?, posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 10:08:48
Childhood trauma
Posted by JohnLA on January 31, 2012, at 16:57:39
In reply to Re: best med or therapy for rumination? » JohnLA, posted by SLS on January 31, 2012, at 6:51:04
> Clomipramine (Anafranil)
>
> How do you know that your ruminations are a symptom of OCD rather than depression?
>
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> - Scottthanks scott. i believe my rumination is mostly, if not completely, due to my depression. reading the excerpt you provided provided me with that conclusion.
i was always a 'thinker/worrier' and would ruminate on things. also, as a teacher, it goes with the territory a bit. meaning i was always trained and conditioned to be analytical and precise.
thanks again scott.
also, sorry to hear your last drug trial didn't work out.
john
Posted by JohnLA on January 31, 2012, at 17:12:37
In reply to Re: 2 peas in a pod...yes indeed! :) » JohnLA, posted by Phillipa on January 30, 2012, at 23:20:56
> Travel to only Lindtt store in NC in Raleigh when supply gets low. Boy I eat at least l0 a night but eat so little else that don't gain weight. Now I see about the archieves as remember this discussion. Phillipa
dear phillipa;
you can order the chocolates online! i really recommend the following bar;
http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/product/barcelona_exotic_candy_bar/exotic_candy_bars
pricey as i said. but, you only need a bite or two as i also mentioned.
you also might like some of her other bars too.
john
Posted by Phillipa on January 31, 2012, at 18:42:00
In reply to for phillipa, posted by JohnLA on January 31, 2012, at 17:12:37
John thanks for the link just got in on the computer. As for rumination in my case I just worry and then finally find a solution. To ignore the issues would be not responsible as they are real concerns like where to get money to pay for needed items or writing letters to a homeowners association that is planning to try and slip on over on the homeowners causing their dues to be raised, contacting the homeowners, drafting letters sending to proper autorities involved. A sick animal etc. Concerns might be a better word as they are real issues that need addresses with careful thought and wording. Also was taught in RN school that ocd is a good thing. As if not through serious mistakes can occurr. Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on January 31, 2012, at 19:06:39
In reply to best med or therapy for rumination?, posted by JohnLA on January 30, 2012, at 20:06:00
Antidepressants. Opiates. CBT/DBT.
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on January 31, 2012, at 20:20:57
In reply to Re: best med or therapy for rumination? » JohnLA, posted by SLS on January 31, 2012, at 6:51:04
Scott interesting article as if the things mentioned happened like a Mother's death at a young age, losing ones health, and job, job that you loved due to real medical conditions. That makes it real and when involved with distracting things such as school work, and raising kids they go away. Doesn't look to me like anything but a response that is normal and needs time to be delt with. Phillipa
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