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Posted by Christ_empowered on January 29, 2012, at 10:28:45
Not big deal, I guess. Just 1 30 tab. That was yesterday. I won't take any today. Even if I end up needing 1 tab every week or 2, that's still a whole hell of a lot better than taking 30 daily. I think I'd grown to accustomed to the chemical strait jacket, too used to scanning my mind for signs of "madness." This as needed neuroleptic approach just might keep me from freaking out AND dulling out ("tranquilizer psychosis").
Posted by Phillipa on January 29, 2012, at 12:25:52
In reply to Had to take an Abilify..., posted by Christ_empowered on January 29, 2012, at 10:28:45
CE didn't you once accept the fact that you really do need the abilify? Look at the opportunities opening up for you with Vocational rehab. Please take the abilify? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on January 29, 2012, at 12:33:53
In reply to Had to take an Abilify..., posted by Christ_empowered on January 29, 2012, at 10:28:45
> Not big deal, I guess.
How can it not be a big deal?
You continue to go around in the same circle. It is not a happy thing to witness.
It amazes me that some people here continue to encourage you to discontinue taking effective medications.
> Just 1 30 tab. That was yesterday. I won't take any today.
You make it sound like taking Abilify is a personal failing.
> Even if I end up needing 1 tab every week or 2, that's still a whole hell of a lot better than taking 30 daily.
And yet, you have not tried taking lower daily dosages.
> I think I'd grown to accustomed to the chemical strait jacket, too used to scanning my mind for signs of "madness." This as needed neuroleptic approach just might keep me from freaking out AND dulling out ("tranquilizer psychosis").
It might be the smart thing to do to bring in a professional medical doctor to evaluate your strategies and results.
Remember Einstein...
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 13:51:08
In reply to Re: Had to take an Abilify... » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on January 29, 2012, at 12:33:53
> > Not big deal, I guess.
>
> How can it not be a big deal?
>
> You continue to go around in the same circle. It is not a happy thing to witness.
>
> It amazes me that some people here continue to encourage you to discontinue taking effective medications.
>
> > Just 1 30 tab. That was yesterday. I won't take any today.
>
> You make it sound like taking Abilify is a personal failing.
>
> > Even if I end up needing 1 tab every week or 2, that's still a whole hell of a lot better than taking 30 daily.
>
> And yet, you have not tried taking lower daily dosages.
>
> > I think I'd grown to accustomed to the chemical strait jacket, too used to scanning my mind for signs of "madness." This as needed neuroleptic approach just might keep me from freaking out AND dulling out ("tranquilizer psychosis").
>
> It might be the smart thing to do to bring in a professional medical doctor to evaluate your strategies and results.
>
> Remember Einstein...
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote the above.
Maybe CE has in his mind a future without mind-altering drugs. People do not always quit and never return to the drug. Some quit and then take a pill like he writes here for reasons that I could explaine here if needed.
I know many people that tried to quit tobacco use and relapsed several times before quitting. They did quit and some went back several times before they quit. Same with alcohol.
Now if CE wants to be drug free from abilify for his own reasons, then I support his will to do so and understand that it may take several attempts to do so. He may think that the drug could kill him and so getting off of it is his wishes and might have peace with that end. I support that.
You see, this drug Abilify has the potential to induce a mind-alterd state to make the taker of the drug want to kill themselves. There are hundreds of suicide attempts that are recorded to the FDA which means there could be 100 times that many of attempts or 10 times that many because all are not reported to the FDA.'
I think that CE might be seeking peace and that he wants to rid himself of this drug in an attempt to give peace a chance.
Here is a link of FDA stats concerning suicide and abilify. Remember Walden Pond...
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/suicide+attempt
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 14:14:21
In reply to Lou's response-ghvpeezahchanz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 13:51:08
> > > Not big deal, I guess.
> >
> > How can it not be a big deal?
> >
> > You continue to go around in the same circle. It is not a happy thing to witness.
> >
> > It amazes me that some people here continue to encourage you to discontinue taking effective medications.
> >
> > > Just 1 30 tab. That was yesterday. I won't take any today.
> >
> > You make it sound like taking Abilify is a personal failing.
> >
> > > Even if I end up needing 1 tab every week or 2, that's still a whole hell of a lot better than taking 30 daily.
> >
> > And yet, you have not tried taking lower daily dosages.
> >
> > > I think I'd grown to accustomed to the chemical strait jacket, too used to scanning my mind for signs of "madness." This as needed neuroleptic approach just might keep me from freaking out AND dulling out ("tranquilizer psychosis").
> >
> > It might be the smart thing to do to bring in a professional medical doctor to evaluate your strategies and results.
> >
> > Remember Einstein...
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote the above.
> Maybe CE has in his mind a future without mind-altering drugs. People do not always quit and never return to the drug. Some quit and then take a pill like he writes here for reasons that I could explaine here if needed.
> I know many people that tried to quit tobacco use and relapsed several times before quitting. They did quit and some went back several times before they quit. Same with alcohol.
> Now if CE wants to be drug free from abilify for his own reasons, then I support his will to do so and understand that it may take several attempts to do so. He may think that the drug could kill him and so getting off of it is his wishes and might have peace with that end. I support that.
> You see, this drug Abilify has the potential to induce a mind-alterd state to make the taker of the drug want to kill themselves. There are hundreds of suicide attempts that are recorded to the FDA which means there could be 100 times that many of attempts or 10 times that many because all are not reported to the FDA.'
> I think that CE might be seeking peace and that he wants to rid himself of this drug in an attempt to give peace a chance.
> Here is a link of FDA stats concerning suicide and abilify. Remember Walden Pond...
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/suicide+attemptFriends,
When one knows the facts about these drugs, I think that they could have enlightenment to want to live. You see, this drug Abilify, could kill you. There are over 350 reported deaths to the FDA in relation to Abilify. That means that there could be many more unreported deaths.
You see, when one is confronted to choose between life or potential death, I support to choose life. What good would it do if one gained some reliefe of some of their symptoms , some of the time, and lost their own soul?
Lou
Here is a link to FDA reports concerning deaths and abilify
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/death
Posted by SLS on January 29, 2012, at 14:15:13
In reply to Lou's response-ghvpeezahchanz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 13:51:08
> Now if CE wants to be drug free from abilify for his own reasons,
I have a bunch of my own reasons for why I would like to be free of psychiatric drugs.
> then I support his will to do so and understand that it may take several attempts to do so.
I will not support people or their behaviors unconditionally, especially if I think they are injurious to themselves or others.
I love unconditionally - even you, Lou.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 29, 2012, at 14:28:37
In reply to Lou's response-anluzthairohnpsoul, posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 14:14:21
Conspicuously absent from consideration in your citations are the rates of suicidality in the conditions described if these conditions are left untreated. The numbers offered as statistics are, by themselves, meaningless.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 16:31:17
In reply to Re: Had to take an Abilify... » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on January 29, 2012, at 14:28:37
> Conspicuously absent from consideration in your citations are the rates of suicidality in the conditions described if these conditions are left untreated. The numbers offered as statistics are, by themselves, meaningless.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following. This research has in it facts. Facts that could mark the difference between your life and your death.
Lou
To see this:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[psychiatric drugs, suicide, Jenne Larsson]
Posted by Phillipa on January 29, 2012, at 19:04:10
In reply to Lou's reply-yaghttruhbl » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2012, at 16:31:17
Sorry Lou no I am here to support on this thread Christ Empowered. His parents as he has posted understand as he also does that he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way. Socialize and get into work. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 30, 2012, at 21:20:16
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-yaghttruhbl » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on January 29, 2012, at 19:04:10
> Sorry Lou no I am here to support on this thread Christ Empowered. His parents as he has posted understand as he also does that he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way. Socialize and get into work. Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote,
[...he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way...].
There could be people that think that they need abilify to live {a normal way}, whatever that could be. But there could also be facts that could be unbeknownst to those people that if they were known to them, then they could have more information to make a more informed decision as to if they really need the drug or if the drug could kill them or give them a life-ruining condition or trhe drug could cause them to be compelled to kill someone else.
I want to give people this inflrmation that are facts that come from the FDA as in the citations here by me. These facts could give rise to a clearer picture of what could happen to people that take these drugs. They then could see what is down the road as that there are littered on the side of the road corpses of those that died from the drug, people on the side of the road unable to walk straight with their arms flailling and their toungs darting out with tardive dyskinesia, people with amputations from diabetes, blind people from stevens johnson syndrome, dead children from these drugs, the corpses of young girls with ropes around their necks from them hanging themselves, women struggling to walk because someone shot her in the head that was taking these drugs and then see the great magnatude of prople crying out saying ,"what must I do to find a way out?", and then see the addicts in torment from withdrawing from these drugs in rags because they can not work, they can not live a normal life, they can not communicate with others because they can only think of the horror that they are in from the drug that they are addicted to.
If they are told to not listen to the FDA, why would they listen to someone that came out from the dead?
Many will come to the end of that road and find death. I want them to find life, and life more abundantly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 30, 2012, at 21:52:50
In reply to Lou's reply-turhoadz » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on January 30, 2012, at 21:20:16
> > Sorry Lou no I am here to support on this thread Christ Empowered. His parents as he has posted understand as he also does that he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way. Socialize and get into work. Phillipa
>
> Phillipa,
> You wrote,
> [...he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way...].
> There could be people that think that they need abilify to live {a normal way}, whatever that could be. But there could also be facts that could be unbeknownst to those people that if they were known to them, then they could have more information to make a more informed decision as to if they really need the drug or if the drug could kill them or give them a life-ruining condition or trhe drug could cause them to be compelled to kill someone else.
> I want to give people this inflrmation that are facts that come from the FDA as in the citations here by me. These facts could give rise to a clearer picture of what could happen to people that take these drugs. They then could see what is down the road as that there are littered on the side of the road corpses of those that died from the drug, people on the side of the road unable to walk straight with their arms flailling and their toungs darting out with tardive dyskinesia, people with amputations from diabetes, blind people from stevens johnson syndrome, dead children from these drugs, the corpses of young girls with ropes around their necks from them hanging themselves, women struggling to walk because someone shot her in the head that was taking these drugs and then see the great magnatude of prople crying out saying ,"what must I do to find a way out?", and then see the addicts in torment from withdrawing from these drugs in rags because they can not work, they can not live a normal life, they can not communicate with others because they can only think of the horror that they are in from the drug that they are addicted to.
> If they are told to not listen to the FDA, why would they listen to someone that came out from the dead?
> Many will come to the end of that road and find death. I want them to find life, and life more abundantly.
> LouFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following citation. If you could, then I think that your could have more information as to taking abilify or not.
You see, many of these drugs can cause a life-ruining condition such as {tardive dyskinesia}.
So there are those that say you need a drug to live a normal life. There are people that say that a lot of things, but that does not mean that they are all true. But facts are facts.
Now while you are reading my citations here, if you are, you could get n idea of what the chances are of your life being ruined from these drugs or the chances of the drug killing you or you killing yourself or others. You might see in this citation around 3 1/2 %. You might see in the others such as (1 1/2 %) or( 2 1/2 %).
But the math is more complicated than that which could be unbeknownst to you. You see, if it is 3% that you get tardive dyskinesia, and 2 % that you kill yourself, and 1 1/2 % that you die from the drug, ans so much % for other life-ruing conditions, could you see that the sum of the chances is the total chance that you will either be killed by the drug, or kill yourself, or get a life-ruining condition.
It is like rolling the dice. The odds of you getting snake-eyes may be small, but if you combimene the odds of getting snake-eyes, an 11, OR a 3 OR a 9, then the odds are much greater that you will get ONE of those.
Now that is only on ONE roll. But taking these drugs do you not roll the dice twice a day, or more for day after day? I can compute what is called {gambler's ruin} and see how long it could take before the drug you are taking kills you or gives you a life-ruining condition.
Here is a link to the chances of getting TD from Abilify
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/tardive+dyskinesia
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 31, 2012, at 10:56:58
In reply to Re: Had to take an Abilify... » Christ_empowered, posted by SLS on January 29, 2012, at 12:33:53
> You continue to go around in the same circle. It is not a happy thing to witness.
Good point. This is my take... CE knows that Abilify helps to prevent him getting ill again, but he also knows that high doses cause adverse effects and make some aspects of his illness worse. Please correct me if I'm wrong CE, I apologise if I am.
So, isn't the most logical solution to this taking a lower dose? Why not take 10mg per day, which the option of increasing the dose temporarily during periods of stress or symptom worsening?
I suspect that taking 30mg PRN (with no regular medication) may lead to instability. Mood and symptoms fluctuating dramatically up and down from day to day. It makes more sense to me to take a low maintenance dose + occasional PRN doses or a temporarily increase when necessary.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2012, at 4:24:35
In reply to Lou's request-ghmblerzruin, posted by Lou Pilder on January 30, 2012, at 21:52:50
> > > Sorry Lou no I am here to support on this thread Christ Empowered. His parents as he has posted understand as he also does that he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way. Socialize and get into work. Phillipa
> >
> > Phillipa,
> > You wrote,
> > [...he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way...].
> > There could be people that think that they need abilify to live {a normal way}, whatever that could be. But there could also be facts that could be unbeknownst to those people that if they were known to them, then they could have more information to make a more informed decision as to if they really need the drug or if the drug could kill them or give them a life-ruining condition or trhe drug could cause them to be compelled to kill someone else.
> > I want to give people this inflrmation that are facts that come from the FDA as in the citations here by me. These facts could give rise to a clearer picture of what could happen to people that take these drugs. They then could see what is down the road as that there are littered on the side of the road corpses of those that died from the drug, people on the side of the road unable to walk straight with their arms flailling and their toungs darting out with tardive dyskinesia, people with amputations from diabetes, blind people from stevens johnson syndrome, dead children from these drugs, the corpses of young girls with ropes around their necks from them hanging themselves, women struggling to walk because someone shot her in the head that was taking these drugs and then see the great magnatude of prople crying out saying ,"what must I do to find a way out?", and then see the addicts in torment from withdrawing from these drugs in rags because they can not work, they can not live a normal life, they can not communicate with others because they can only think of the horror that they are in from the drug that they are addicted to.
> > If they are told to not listen to the FDA, why would they listen to someone that came out from the dead?
> > Many will come to the end of that road and find death. I want them to find life, and life more abundantly.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following citation. If you could, then I think that your could have more information as to taking abilify or not.
> You see, many of these drugs can cause a life-ruining condition such as {tardive dyskinesia}.
> So there are those that say you need a drug to live a normal life. There are people that say that a lot of things, but that does not mean that they are all true. But facts are facts.
> Now while you are reading my citations here, if you are, you could get n idea of what the chances are of your life being ruined from these drugs or the chances of the drug killing you or you killing yourself or others. You might see in this citation around 3 1/2 %. You might see in the others such as (1 1/2 %) or( 2 1/2 %).
> But the math is more complicated than that which could be unbeknownst to you. You see, if it is 3% that you get tardive dyskinesia, and 2 % that you kill yourself, and 1 1/2 % that you die from the drug, ans so much % for other life-ruing conditions, could you see that the sum of the chances is the total chance that you will either be killed by the drug, or kill yourself, or get a life-ruining condition.
> It is like rolling the dice. The odds of you getting snake-eyes may be small, but if you combimene the odds of getting snake-eyes, an 11, OR a 3 OR a 9, then the odds are much greater that you will get ONE of those.
> Now that is only on ONE roll. But taking these drugs do you not roll the dice twice a day, or more for day after day? I can compute what is called {gambler's ruin} and see how long it could take before the drug you are taking kills you or gives you a life-ruining condition.
> Here is a link to the chances of getting TD from Abilify
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/tardive+dyskinesiaFriends,
Now are you thinking about taking Abilify or ontimnuing to take it? Do you know the odds of you killing yourself while you are on this drug?
Let's see. The government stats have a little more than 1% of the people taking abilify kill themselves. Now those are the ones that are reported to the FDA. But how many deaths are not reported at all to the FDA? Some say 10 to 1. Some say 100 to 1.
The point here is that there is a risk of you killing yourself while taking this drug. Does your prescriber tell you that? Does he/she say that one of the "side" effects of abilify is completed suicide? And then does yoyr prescriber expolain to you that the odds of you killing yourself or that the drug will kill you or that you could get a life-ruining condition from this drug is the SUM of the probabilities of the individual events?
Now I could compute your chances of your death from this drug or your chances of getting a life-ruining condition or the chances that you will kill someone else while on this drug. I use what is called {gambler's ruin} which you could look up and do it yourselves if you like.
You could also use the link here to a post here thathas another link to a site that catalogs the deaths and murders and other crimes that people on Abilify have done. To use that site when it is up, click on the red drug and the drugs will come up in order and all the Abilify deaths are listed ther.
Here is a link to a site that has the FDA stats on Abilify as to completed suicides. Then the link to the post here.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/suicide+completed
Then the link to the post here with the link to the site.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2012, at 4:34:49
In reply to Lou's request-ghmblerzdheth, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2012, at 4:24:35
> > > > Sorry Lou no I am here to support on this thread Christ Empowered. His parents as he has posted understand as he also does that he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way. Socialize and get into work. Phillipa
> > >
> > > Phillipa,
> > > You wrote,
> > > [...he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way...].
> > > There could be people that think that they need abilify to live {a normal way}, whatever that could be. But there could also be facts that could be unbeknownst to those people that if they were known to them, then they could have more information to make a more informed decision as to if they really need the drug or if the drug could kill them or give them a life-ruining condition or trhe drug could cause them to be compelled to kill someone else.
> > > I want to give people this inflrmation that are facts that come from the FDA as in the citations here by me. These facts could give rise to a clearer picture of what could happen to people that take these drugs. They then could see what is down the road as that there are littered on the side of the road corpses of those that died from the drug, people on the side of the road unable to walk straight with their arms flailling and their toungs darting out with tardive dyskinesia, people with amputations from diabetes, blind people from stevens johnson syndrome, dead children from these drugs, the corpses of young girls with ropes around their necks from them hanging themselves, women struggling to walk because someone shot her in the head that was taking these drugs and then see the great magnatude of prople crying out saying ,"what must I do to find a way out?", and then see the addicts in torment from withdrawing from these drugs in rags because they can not work, they can not live a normal life, they can not communicate with others because they can only think of the horror that they are in from the drug that they are addicted to.
> > > If they are told to not listen to the FDA, why would they listen to someone that came out from the dead?
> > > Many will come to the end of that road and find death. I want them to find life, and life more abundantly.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following citation. If you could, then I think that your could have more information as to taking abilify or not.
> > You see, many of these drugs can cause a life-ruining condition such as {tardive dyskinesia}.
> > So there are those that say you need a drug to live a normal life. There are people that say that a lot of things, but that does not mean that they are all true. But facts are facts.
> > Now while you are reading my citations here, if you are, you could get n idea of what the chances are of your life being ruined from these drugs or the chances of the drug killing you or you killing yourself or others. You might see in this citation around 3 1/2 %. You might see in the others such as (1 1/2 %) or( 2 1/2 %).
> > But the math is more complicated than that which could be unbeknownst to you. You see, if it is 3% that you get tardive dyskinesia, and 2 % that you kill yourself, and 1 1/2 % that you die from the drug, ans so much % for other life-ruing conditions, could you see that the sum of the chances is the total chance that you will either be killed by the drug, or kill yourself, or get a life-ruining condition.
> > It is like rolling the dice. The odds of you getting snake-eyes may be small, but if you combimene the odds of getting snake-eyes, an 11, OR a 3 OR a 9, then the odds are much greater that you will get ONE of those.
> > Now that is only on ONE roll. But taking these drugs do you not roll the dice twice a day, or more for day after day? I can compute what is called {gambler's ruin} and see how long it could take before the drug you are taking kills you or gives you a life-ruining condition.
> > Here is a link to the chances of getting TD from Abilify
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/tardive+dyskinesia
>
> Friends,
> Now are you thinking about taking Abilify or ontimnuing to take it? Do you know the odds of you killing yourself while you are on this drug?
> Let's see. The government stats have a little more than 1% of the people taking abilify kill themselves. Now those are the ones that are reported to the FDA. But how many deaths are not reported at all to the FDA? Some say 10 to 1. Some say 100 to 1.
> The point here is that there is a risk of you killing yourself while taking this drug. Does your prescriber tell you that? Does he/she say that one of the "side" effects of abilify is completed suicide? And then does yoyr prescriber expolain to you that the odds of you killing yourself or that the drug will kill you or that you could get a life-ruining condition from this drug is the SUM of the probabilities of the individual events?
> Now I could compute your chances of your death from this drug or your chances of getting a life-ruining condition or the chances that you will kill someone else while on this drug. I use what is called {gambler's ruin} which you could look up and do it yourselves if you like.
> You could also use the link here to a post here thathas another link to a site that catalogs the deaths and murders and other crimes that people on Abilify have done. To use that site when it is up, click on the red drug and the drugs will come up in order and all the Abilify deaths are listed ther.
> Here is a link to a site that has the FDA stats on Abilify as to completed suicides. Then the link to the post here.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/suicide+completed
> Then the link to the post here with the link to the site.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>Friends,
The site called ehealthme may be updating since it is the first of the month and show "0".
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2012, at 5:01:44
In reply to note: Lou's request-ghmblerzdheth, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2012, at 4:34:49
> > > > > Sorry Lou no I am here to support on this thread Christ Empowered. His parents as he has posted understand as he also does that he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way. Socialize and get into work. Phillipa
> > > >
> > > > Phillipa,
> > > > You wrote,
> > > > [...he needs abilify in order to live a life in a normal way...].
> > > > There could be people that think that they need abilify to live {a normal way}, whatever that could be. But there could also be facts that could be unbeknownst to those people that if they were known to them, then they could have more information to make a more informed decision as to if they really need the drug or if the drug could kill them or give them a life-ruining condition or trhe drug could cause them to be compelled to kill someone else.
> > > > I want to give people this inflrmation that are facts that come from the FDA as in the citations here by me. These facts could give rise to a clearer picture of what could happen to people that take these drugs. They then could see what is down the road as that there are littered on the side of the road corpses of those that died from the drug, people on the side of the road unable to walk straight with their arms flailling and their toungs darting out with tardive dyskinesia, people with amputations from diabetes, blind people from stevens johnson syndrome, dead children from these drugs, the corpses of young girls with ropes around their necks from them hanging themselves, women struggling to walk because someone shot her in the head that was taking these drugs and then see the great magnatude of prople crying out saying ,"what must I do to find a way out?", and then see the addicts in torment from withdrawing from these drugs in rags because they can not work, they can not live a normal life, they can not communicate with others because they can only think of the horror that they are in from the drug that they are addicted to.
> > > > If they are told to not listen to the FDA, why would they listen to someone that came out from the dead?
> > > > Many will come to the end of that road and find death. I want them to find life, and life more abundantly.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following citation. If you could, then I think that your could have more information as to taking abilify or not.
> > > You see, many of these drugs can cause a life-ruining condition such as {tardive dyskinesia}.
> > > So there are those that say you need a drug to live a normal life. There are people that say that a lot of things, but that does not mean that they are all true. But facts are facts.
> > > Now while you are reading my citations here, if you are, you could get n idea of what the chances are of your life being ruined from these drugs or the chances of the drug killing you or you killing yourself or others. You might see in this citation around 3 1/2 %. You might see in the others such as (1 1/2 %) or( 2 1/2 %).
> > > But the math is more complicated than that which could be unbeknownst to you. You see, if it is 3% that you get tardive dyskinesia, and 2 % that you kill yourself, and 1 1/2 % that you die from the drug, ans so much % for other life-ruing conditions, could you see that the sum of the chances is the total chance that you will either be killed by the drug, or kill yourself, or get a life-ruining condition.
> > > It is like rolling the dice. The odds of you getting snake-eyes may be small, but if you combimene the odds of getting snake-eyes, an 11, OR a 3 OR a 9, then the odds are much greater that you will get ONE of those.
> > > Now that is only on ONE roll. But taking these drugs do you not roll the dice twice a day, or more for day after day? I can compute what is called {gambler's ruin} and see how long it could take before the drug you are taking kills you or gives you a life-ruining condition.
> > > Here is a link to the chances of getting TD from Abilify
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/tardive+dyskinesia
> >
> > Friends,
> > Now are you thinking about taking Abilify or ontimnuing to take it? Do you know the odds of you killing yourself while you are on this drug?
> > Let's see. The government stats have a little more than 1% of the people taking abilify kill themselves. Now those are the ones that are reported to the FDA. But how many deaths are not reported at all to the FDA? Some say 10 to 1. Some say 100 to 1.
> > The point here is that there is a risk of you killing yourself while taking this drug. Does your prescriber tell you that? Does he/she say that one of the "side" effects of abilify is completed suicide? And then does yoyr prescriber expolain to you that the odds of you killing yourself or that the drug will kill you or that you could get a life-ruining condition from this drug is the SUM of the probabilities of the individual events?
> > Now I could compute your chances of your death from this drug or your chances of getting a life-ruining condition or the chances that you will kill someone else while on this drug. I use what is called {gambler's ruin} which you could look up and do it yourselves if you like.
> > You could also use the link here to a post here thathas another link to a site that catalogs the deaths and murders and other crimes that people on Abilify have done. To use that site when it is up, click on the red drug and the drugs will come up in order and all the Abilify deaths are listed ther.
> > Here is a link to a site that has the FDA stats on Abilify as to completed suicides. Then the link to the post here.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/suicide+completed
> > Then the link to the post here with the link to the site.
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> >
>
> Friends,
> The site called ehealthme may be updating since it is the first of the month and show "0".
> LouFriends,
To use the ehealthme site to see the completed suicides, use the following:
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/abilify/completed+suicide
Posted by SLS on February 1, 2012, at 6:55:49
In reply to correction: Lou's request-ghmblerzdheth, posted by Lou Pilder on February 1, 2012, at 5:01:44
Please see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20120120/msgs/1008747.html
- Scott
This is the end of the thread.
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