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Posted by Tepi on November 15, 2011, at 23:37:34
After 8 weeks on Lyrica I decided its time to try for other things . I was hoping to get a good benefit for my social phobia but I had only temporal response . These Anticonvulsants Lyrica and Neurontin were different drugs for me , they made "chages" some timesI have no idea what to do next. I have beside my bed one box of Cymbalta and one box of Pristiq
For me , they are all the same so Im not excited about using theCan you suggest me something please?
Thank you
Tepi
Posted by SLS on November 16, 2011, at 6:18:05
In reply to Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by Tepi on November 15, 2011, at 23:37:34
Hi Tepi.
Did you ever try Paxil (paroxetine)?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 16, 2011, at 7:13:43
In reply to Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by Tepi on November 15, 2011, at 23:37:34
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> After 8 weeks on Lyrica I decided its time to try for other things . I was hoping to get a good benefit for my social phobia but I had only temporal response . These Anticonvulsants Lyrica and Neurontin were different drugs for me , they made "chages" some times
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> I have no idea what to do next. I have beside my bed one box of Cymbalta and one box of Pristiq
> For me , they are all the same so Im not excited about using the
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> Can you suggest me something please?
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> Thank you
> Tepi
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> Tepi,
You wrote,[...I have no...not excited...Can you suggest...?].
I have often read in this site before, the hopes that members have to find a drug that's more.
Here is a link to a post here that has a link to a link that catalogs mind-altering drugs as to the people taking them killing themselves and/or others and other crimes that they did and other related information concerning psychotropic drugs. You could click on the red words on the top and the events will be in order or the drugs will be in order so that you could see what the drug that you may take could do to you.
Now my ongoing concern here is that members are prohibited from hearing my perspective because it involves the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. And IMHHO, if you could be permitted to hear from me how you could be free from addictive drugs and depression, then I think that there is the potential for that your life could be saved and be prevented from getting a life-ruining condition from taking psychotropic drugs.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111027/msgs/1001411.html
Posted by Phillipa on November 16, 2011, at 9:50:21
In reply to Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by Tepi on November 15, 2011, at 23:37:34
Tepi I don't know. I just wish we all felt better. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 16, 2011, at 13:07:42
In reply to Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by Tepi on November 15, 2011, at 23:37:34
Hi Tepi,
>I have beside my bed one box of Cymbalta and one box of Pristiq
> For me , they are all the same so Im not excitedYou mean because you've tried them before or because you've tried similar meds?
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on November 16, 2011, at 18:16:38
In reply to Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by Tepi on November 15, 2011, at 23:37:34
What antidepresants have you tried?
It might be that Cymbalta or Pristiqe plus the Lyrica would tip the scales your way?
Posted by Tepi on November 16, 2011, at 20:35:23
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » Tepi, posted by SLS on November 16, 2011, at 6:18:05
> Hi Tepi.
>
> Did you ever try Paxil (paroxetine)?
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>
> - Scott
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>Yes Scott , in the beggining of my disease , almost 15 years ago and then I tried and extended release version some 5 years ago .
Why , Do you have faith on it?
Posted by Tepi on November 16, 2011, at 20:40:34
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » Tepi, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 16, 2011, at 13:07:42
> Hi Tepi,
>
> >I have beside my bed one box of Cymbalta and one box of Pristiq
> > For me , they are all the same so Im not excited
>
> You mean because you've tried them before or because you've tried similar meds?
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>Hi ed , I mean because I have tried similar meds in the past... Effexor could be an example
There has to be something out there , Im even decided to try stronger things like marihuana if that give me a normal life
Posted by Tepi on November 16, 2011, at 20:43:47
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on November 16, 2011, at 18:16:38
> What antidepresants have you tried?
>
> It might be that Cymbalta or Pristiqe plus the Lyrica would tip the scales your way?
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>So you mean that Lyrica could work better with Pristiq or Cimbalta?
All kind of meds , all triciclycs , all SRRIs, SRNIs, All Atipical AP, many conventional AP, Nardil , Mood stabilizers , Benzos and I dont remember what else
Posted by Phillipa on November 16, 2011, at 20:55:57
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » jono_in_adelaide, posted by Tepi on November 16, 2011, at 20:43:47
Tepi remember we are all different. Different chemistries. Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on November 16, 2011, at 23:29:48
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » SLS, posted by Tepi on November 16, 2011, at 20:35:23
> > Hi Tepi.
> >
> > Did you ever try Paxil (paroxetine)?
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> >
> > - Scott
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> >
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> Yes Scott , in the beggining of my disease , almost 15 years ago and then I tried and extended release version some 5 years ago .
> Why , Do you have faith on it?Paxil has the reputation of being the best SSRI for generalized anxiety disorder. It doesn't work for everyone, of course.
How did you react to Paxil when you took it?
- Scott
Posted by sigismund on November 17, 2011, at 0:55:59
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » Tepi, posted by SLS on November 16, 2011, at 23:29:48
As I recall, Tep, you stopped Nardil because you were not really depressed but suffered instead from social anxiety.
How do you feel about that now?
People say so often that Nardil is the best treatment for SA.
Were the side effects too much?
Or it didn't work well?
Posted by Christ_empowered on November 17, 2011, at 6:41:09
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by sigismund on November 17, 2011, at 0:55:59
Do they have xanax xr (or the generic) in your country? You could take however many pills in the AM and be done with it, although some doctors add in a small tablet of old-school (instant release) xanax at night to keep you from waking up with anxiety from drug withdrawal. Xanax has mild antidepressant qualities and is probably the most pleasant benzo around.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 11:54:19
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » ed_uk2010, posted by Tepi on November 16, 2011, at 20:40:34
Hi Tepi,
>There has to be something out there , Im even decided to try stronger things like marihuana if that give me a normal life
Hmm well cannabis is completely different. Some people find it relaxing but others get paranoid.
Do you have anyone to talk to Tepi? I know you've tried a lot of pills but have you ever seen a psychologist about your problems?
Posted by Tepi on November 17, 2011, at 21:29:02
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » Tepi, posted by SLS on November 16, 2011, at 23:29:48
> > > Hi Tepi.
> > >
> > > Did you ever try Paxil (paroxetine)?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
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> > Yes Scott , in the beggining of my disease , almost 15 years ago and then I tried and extended release version some 5 years ago .
> > Why , Do you have faith on it?
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> Paxil has the reputation of being the best SSRI for generalized anxiety disorder. It doesn't work for everyone, of course.
>
> How did you react to Paxil when you took it?
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> - ScottThe first time I was 16 years old and It was like if I was taking candies , I didnt feel anything , no positive effects , also no side effects . It was like if I were taking air.
I remember Zoloft helped me a little bit some years ago . It has been the only SRRIs with "little positive" effect on me
Posted by Tepi on November 17, 2011, at 21:34:59
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by sigismund on November 17, 2011, at 0:55:59
> As I recall, Tep, you stopped Nardil because you were not really depressed but suffered instead from social anxiety.
>Yes sigis ,kind of that ...
> How do you feel about that now?
Same fear and If Im an depressed wich Im not sure Im the same like if I was on Nardil...
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> People say so often that Nardil is the best treatment for SA.
>
Yes , heard a lot of it , but definitively I dont want to live my life the way I was on Nardil , I just can take it , I need something more
> Were the side effects too much?Just a little weigth gain , and insomnia wich I controled with benzos or other drugs
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> Or it didn't work well?It worked "well" just that,but that was not the way I wanted to feel for the rest of my life so I decided to keep figthing and try to find something that really give me a real life. And here I am with my mind in troubles thinking what else to do with my life
Posted by Tepi on November 17, 2011, at 21:36:40
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next?, posted by Christ_empowered on November 17, 2011, at 6:41:09
> Do they have xanax xr (or the generic) in your country? You could take however many pills in the AM and be done with it, although some doctors add in a small tablet of old-school (instant release) xanax at night to keep you from waking up with anxiety from drug withdrawal. Xanax has mild antidepressant qualities and is probably the most pleasant benzo around.
Xanax in Mexico is called Tafil and we have both versions normal and XR.
Yes I have been on Xanax for a long time , I take 1.5mg dailly
Thanks
Posted by Tepi on November 17, 2011, at 21:42:52
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » Tepi, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 11:54:19
> Hi Tepi,
>
> >There has to be something out there , Im even decided to try stronger things like marihuana if that give me a normal life
>
> Hmm well cannabis is completely different. Some people find it relaxing but others get paranoid.
>Paranoid? mmm then what can I take? I need to feel druged because I wanna forget Im in troubles... maybe there is something outthere , OPIODs? would tha work?
> Do you have anyone to talk to Tepi? I know you've tried a lot of pills but have you ever seen a psychologist about your problems?
>
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No I have nothing to talk to , no friends , just go work and then I go back home but I really have no real friends . It is sad , life is passing and sometimes I ask myself , how much time are you gonna bear? Do you think is fair this? Im in rush to recover my lifeNo , I haven seen some psychologists but honestly I didnt feel any improvement either . I havent tried CBT . Not sure that we have it here maybe I should
Thanks Ed
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 18, 2011, at 12:09:04
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » ed_uk2010, posted by Tepi on November 17, 2011, at 21:42:52
>I need to feel drugged because I wanna forget Im in trouble...
You can only forget for so long Tepi. As soon as the drugs wear off you will feel the same (or worse) than before.
>OPIODs? would tha work?
Quite possibly, for about 3 hours. Of course, opioids can lead to psychological and physical dependence very quickly. During withdrawal, you would feel much worse than you do now.
>No I have nothing to talk to , no friends , just go work and then I go back home but I really have no real friends .
That's part of the problem Tepi. If you are isolated, you will feel worse. You need some friends with similar interests perhaps. What are you interested in Tepi?
>I havent tried CBT. Not sure that we have it here maybe I should.
Maybe you should. You haven't had a great deal of luck with medications so it makes sense to try something different.
Posted by Phidippus on November 18, 2011, at 19:26:24
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » Tepi, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 18, 2011, at 12:09:04
You are sorely in need of effective therapy. CBT might provide you with some cognitive techniques to handle your anxiety, however I'm betting DBT might provide more of the answers you are seeking and solutions to your anxiety.
It sounds like you've been on a great many SSRIs and its a shame none have provided you enough relief from your anxiety. I think what you need to understand is medication is only going to get you so far with conquering your social phobia.
If I were to recommend medications, I would recommend Valium in a higher dose. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.5 mg of Xanax is not a lot to deal with your level of anxiety. Besides that, it has a short half life and one can become tolerant to it very quickly. Valium has a longer half life and has some characteristics which may prove more beneficial for you.
Another medication I would recommend would be Topamax. Some studies have shown it to be helpful for social anxiety.
When dealing with anxiety disorders, one has to keep in my mind that low seratonin levels in the brain play a huge part in causing GAD, OCD, SA and other anxiety disorders. It behooves you to find an AD that works for you, even if not completely. Then you can augment that treatment.
Eric
Posted by sigismund on November 22, 2011, at 0:50:44
In reply to Re: Enough with Lyrica , whats next? » ed_uk2010, posted by Phidippus on November 18, 2011, at 19:26:24
> however I'm betting DBT might provide more of the answers you are seeking and solutions to your anxiety.
That might be right. I recall you saying, Tep, that your problems go way back.
DBT is dialectical behaviour therapy. You could google Marsha Lineham (sp?). I haven't done DBT. There is an emphasis on deep acceptance, from the little I know. Although it is more for borderline personality disorder (suicide, self harm, mad distress, acting out) rather than fear/avoidance perhaps.
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