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Posted by Jeroen on April 5, 2011, at 8:35:45
i do not find any relief at all - veryyyyy tired
everybody just been sticking a knives in my back
i am just very tired of fightingi dont have any friends anymore, life is so boring and been 24/7 inside a psychiatry hospital.
no ways to get better, cant even try the damn Glycine, if they catch me they put me to a closed ward... this situation is so hopeless
Posted by SLS on April 5, 2011, at 8:48:40
In reply to i do not find any relief at all - veryyyyy tired, posted by Jeroen on April 5, 2011, at 8:35:45
> i do not find any relief at all - veryyyyy tired
>
> everybody just been sticking a knives in my back
> i am just very tired of fighting
>
> i dont have any friends anymore, life is so boring and been 24/7 inside a psychiatry hospital.
>
> no ways to get better, cant even try the damn Glycine, if they catch me they put me to a closed ward... this situation is so hopeless
>
Navane (thiothixene)?- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 5, 2011, at 8:53:59
In reply to Re: i do not find any relief at all - veryyyyy tired » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 5, 2011, at 8:48:40
im not taking a typical anti psychotic for more brain damage and more problems, the A typicals have done that, so the typicals will more likely to cause TD and ugly side effects
Posted by Phillipa on April 5, 2011, at 23:09:20
In reply to to SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 5, 2011, at 8:53:59
So jeroen are you saying you bring meds back from your weekends out and they are confiscated? No way to show the doc they work for you? When you tried the glycine notice anything positive? Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 1:39:19
In reply to Re: to SLS » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on April 5, 2011, at 23:09:20
no, i havent tried Glycine yet due to forced psychiatry
Posted by bleauberry on April 6, 2011, at 4:26:26
In reply to i do not find any relief at all - veryyyyy tired, posted by Jeroen on April 5, 2011, at 8:35:45
Can't you get out? Gosh, after all this time and suffering it just seems to me you could likely do better on your own in the world than they can do with you locked up. I mean, a patient can't get better if they can't try stuff. It's hard to heal if a doctor won't listen or cooperate, especially if that doctor has been making lousy decisions one after another for the last 2 years.
Get out of that place. That would be my immediate goal anyway. You don't seem like you are a danger to yourself or anyone else. That's the primary purpose of locking people up....safety. Since you are not a danger, get out. There are lots of depressed and schizo people on the street who do better there than in a ward. At least then you have a fighting chance.
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 5:09:53
In reply to Re: i do not find any relief at all - veryyyyy tired, posted by bleauberry on April 6, 2011, at 4:26:26
i am to intern for 5 years, i am no danger at all to myself or anyone else.
i have learned from my mistakes.
but my lawyer gives sh*t and doctor tooi need to get back on the streets and not locked up
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 5:25:11
In reply to to SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 5, 2011, at 8:53:59
> im not taking a typical anti psychotic for more brain damage and more problems, the A typicals have done that, so the typicals will more likely to cause TD and ugly side effects
Low-dose Navane (4-6 mg) can work wonders with a much reduced risk of EPS. I understand your fears, though. However, if you want your freedom, your choices are dwindling. One woman I know feels the best that she can ever remember on Navane. She was on most of the atypicals. She takes a combination of Navane and Seroquel along with Wellbutrin. She suffered from schizoaffective disorder.
Which drug do you blame for TD? How long were you on it before the TD emerged?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 5:49:51
In reply to Re: to SLS » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 5:25:11
Geodon 20 mg 3 weeks, eye spasm TD
and Lamictal 1 week, TD psychosis
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 8:16:00
In reply to To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 5:49:51
> Geodon 20 mg 3 weeks, eye spasm TD
> and Lamictal 1 week, TD psychosis
Sorry, Jeroen, but neither of these sound right to me. Right now, I don't believe that you have TD or psychosis.This is, of course, only a layman's opinion with limited information to work with.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 9:23:03
In reply to Re: To SLS » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 8:16:00
sorry but its true if you dont believe me read the definition of TD
short or long term exposiure of anti psychotics or psychiatric poison medicines
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 9:51:53
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 9:23:03
> sorry but its true if you dont believe me read the definition of TD
I think you should do the same.
You have never described the nature of your psychosis. I am dubious. Can you describe what are the features of your psychosis? Which doctor diagnosed you as psychotic?
Thought disorder? I don't see it.
Paranoia? Possibly.Have you ever hurt someone?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 10:19:39
In reply to Re: To SLS » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 9:51:53
hallucinations, people insulting me
paranoia
depressionsounds good enough for you????
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 10:38:04
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 10:19:39
> hallucinations
Visual or auditory?
> people insulting me
What do they say? Are they really saying these things to you?
> paranoia
What are you most afraid of?
> depression
How do you know that you are depressed?
> sounds good enough for you????
Is it good enough for your doctors? What do they say?Did you ever hurt anyone?
I'm sorry if I am angering you, but I still have doubts about your diagnosis and treatment. That's all I'm saying.
Ignore me if you like, but I see you as being stuck, and I don't know why. Somebody is wrong about something. You come here for advice and to vent. My advice is to listen to your doctors and be honest with yourself and your health care providers. Are you honest with us?
Yes. I am challenging you. There is no need for you to reply to this message if you are looking for complicity in your mismanagement.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 11:16:01
In reply to Re: To SLS » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 10:38:04
both (hallucinations part)
auditory the most like insults that dont existi stalked someone for a short time and i now i pay the blues (5 year forced psychiatry) its been years ago so iam trying to find a good lawyer because its interfearing with my treatment
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 13:54:41
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 11:16:01
> both (hallucinations part)
> auditory the most like insults that dont exist
>
> i stalked someone for a short time and i now i pay the blues (5 year forced psychiatry) its been years ago so iam trying to find a good lawyer because its interfearing with my treatmentI wish you luck with that. It sounds stressful.
We are here to help you as much as possible. I hope you know how much people have come to care about you. Everyone is concerned for your welfare, and is trying to brainstorm your situation. I am concerned, too. However, I don't feel that we have enough detailed information to be able to offer suggestions. I know it seems as if I am always asking you the same questions. I am simply looking for the details that you often don't think to tell us.
If psychosis is a persistent problem, you might profit from psychotherapy to learn reality-testing techniques. These aren't going to take away all of the negative thoughts and feelings that are being generated by a biological illness. However, these techniques can help you navigate through your confusion as you learn to evaluate your thoughts logically. Not all people suffering from psychosis are able to do this, but I am pretty sure you can.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 14:11:42
In reply to Re: To SLS » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 13:54:41
ok here is when it started in details:
when i was 14 i had a good life before, well i started getting ok, but then all hell break loose, i became psychotic, mood changes, paranoia, no hallucinations, just a major change negative in my concentration,
all the bullies in school noticed something about me and started bullying me.
i find it very strange, it's like the strong are finding the weak to put a hard time on them. the bullying was severe, and my entire class did it against me, even my best friend Benjamin at that time started to ignore me, i was left alone..
1 year passed by and i had a strong taught convinced i had blood cancer, or brain cancer, thats how it felt, i felt ill, different....that never went away until 2004 when i took 2 month of seroquel, the illness was gone
low dose... i tried Zyprexa, geodon, abilify, risperidone, sipralexa, solian, sulpiride and they didnt work except the short seroquel wich worked miracle for me but then pooped out and cant increase the dosage, doesnt kick in anymore
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 14:36:20
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 14:11:42
> ok here is when it started in details...
Thanks, Jeroen. That helps a lot. It breaks my heart to know what you have been through. Perhaps you are schizoaffective. I don't know.
You are right about bullies. I was bullied when I was young.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 14:43:35
In reply to Re: To SLS » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 14:36:20
schizoffective is
schizophrenia + manic depression right????
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2011, at 17:31:15
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 14:43:35
> schizoffective is
>
> schizophrenia + manic depression right????Sort of, but not quite. It is considered to be a single illness by most. There are several subtypes, of which bipolar is one. I witnessed one woman who would first cycle into a hypomania. After a short period of time, this would be followed by psychosis with some thought disorder and visual hallucinations. However, her energy level would decrease during this time. Another woman I know has a condition that looks like an agitated, high-energy paranoid psychosis punctuated by brief epidodes of severe depression. She was first misdiagnosed as psychotic depression. She does extremely well now while taking a combination of Wellbutrin, Seroquel, and Navane.
One thing that occurs to me is that, for some people, Abilify interferes with the actions of other antipsychotics, particularly if these other antipsychotics have a low affinity for D2 receptors - Seroquel being a prime example. It may be that you will not respond well to Seroquel unless you discontinue Abilify.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2011, at 20:39:01
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 14:43:35
Jeroen congrats on telling your story. But didn't you leave something out? Would you mind also disclosing if so okay!!!! Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on April 11, 2011, at 5:41:12
In reply to Re: To SLS, posted by Jeroen on April 6, 2011, at 14:43:35
Are you still taking Abilify?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 11, 2011, at 5:43:18
In reply to Re: To SLS - So, what's the story? » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 11, 2011, at 5:41:12
yes for 4 years now :(
Posted by SLS on April 11, 2011, at 7:17:13
In reply to Re: To SLS - So, what's the story?, posted by Jeroen on April 11, 2011, at 5:43:18
> yes for 4 years now :(
Tell your doctor that some idiot suggested that Abilify might be interfering with the therapeutic effects of Seroquel.
Abilify is a partial D2 agonist with a higher affinity for these receptors than is Seroquel.
I am serious. Abilify will stimulate many of those dopamine receptors that need to be blocked. Abilify out-competes Seroquel for these dopamine D2 receptors.
Will you do it?
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on April 11, 2011, at 7:35:01
In reply to Re: To SLS - So, what's the story? » Jeroen, posted by SLS on April 11, 2011, at 7:17:13
i am simply screwed , they will not change it i asked
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