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Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 20, 2010, at 6:04:28
In reply to Lou's defense of Crazy meds- Dymphna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 20, 2010, at 5:42:07
I under what you're saying but the tone of the post was unpleasant.
>There has been a continual body of reports concerning the combining of psychotropic drugs. The moderator, Dymphna, has listed the class of chemical structure to the different chemicals and I think that indicates a depth of knowlege that could give credibility to his/her statements about the combining of the drugs in question. I also have a strong background in the chemical structure of these mind-altering drugs and have a respect for that moderator's understanding of the combining effects of those chemicals.
> When particular chemicals are combined, they can depress the central nervous system to the point that the person could die. Many celebs are in the news that have died and there were the combinations of drugs that could have caused their deaths.
> Now I think that the moderator of any mental-health forum has not only the duty to point out potentially lethal combinations of drugs, but also if they do not do so that they could be held liable for negligence if they do not point that out if a member dies from a combination of drugs that have been shown to be contraindicated.
> Now the moderator there is IMHO very concientious to point out that one could question the prescribing of the drugs due to the potential to cause death. By doing so, other members could be warned that taking those combinations are listed in the liturature as the moderator posted. The moderator could then be saving lives to post the warning and IMO is in the public's interest.
> Lou
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Posted by SLS on September 20, 2010, at 6:47:35
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
The strength of the moderator you interacted with might be an ability to read text books and the PDR.
You know better than this, Maxime.
Was the posture and tone taken by the moderator helpful or hurtful to you? If I were to receive such a message, I would feel belittled, attacked, and shunned.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 20, 2010, at 7:39:39
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » Maxime, posted by SLS on September 20, 2010, at 6:47:35
>I would feel belittled, attacked and shunned.
Exactly. The tone was very hurtful. Definitely not civil!
There was talk of the chemical structure of the drugs but not their pharmacological activity - which is more relevent. For example, desipramine is structurally very similar to clomipramine but its properties are not the same. There was an attempt to appear scientific (dibenzazepines etc) but it gave the impression of being cut and pasted from the PDR. Some of the PDR is out of date, self-serving (for the manufacturers - think litigation) and not consistent with current expert opinion.
I am not sure of the motive behind the post, but I do not think it was to help Maxime.
Posted by Maxime on September 20, 2010, at 8:14:35
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » Maxime, posted by SLS on September 20, 2010, at 6:47:35
Hi Scott, her post made me feel ashamed. I then posted to her all the abstracts of articles that indicate that MAOIs and stims and TCAs are often used to together. She then accused me of posting anecdotal evidence.
I don't know why I let it bug me so much. I did indeed feel belittled. I won't be going back there. Someone even posted that they were surprised that I was still alive!
Silly people.
Posted by Maxime on September 20, 2010, at 8:18:39
In reply to Lou's defense of Crazy meds- Dymphna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 20, 2010, at 5:42:07
Lou, there is a way to post and way not to post. Putting someone down because of the meds they take is the wrong way. It does not show that they care it just shows that they know fancy terms. She also accused me of ordering meds which I don't do. If she really cared, she would have been kinder. I guess that is we have the "please be civil" rule here on PB.
Posted by violette on September 20, 2010, at 12:31:17
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
Yeah i'd also be a bit sensitive to a response like that...
A patient doesn't necessarily need a dx of ADD to be prescribed a stimulant anyway. My doctor rx's stimulants for depression or to countereact side effects of depression. Is this woman a doctor?
Maybe if you just told her to f*ck off you'd feel better.
Posted by violette on September 20, 2010, at 12:33:16
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
oops meant to say rx'd to counteract side effects of ADs...
Posted by violette on September 20, 2010, at 12:35:30
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
Oh-the tiredness: if you just started the dexedrine, try taking just 5 mg for a few days..and see how that goes. You can get tired from taking too much.
Posted by maxime on September 20, 2010, at 14:28:50
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by violette on September 20, 2010, at 12:35:30
> Oh-the tiredness: if you just started the dexedrine, try taking just 5 mg for a few days..and see how that goes. You can get tired from taking too much.
Actually the tiredness is gone now. I increased my morning dose to 30 mg. Often I don't take an afternoon dose. I don't take unless I really need to do so. The reason my pdoc prescribed it was to get me going so that I didn't spend all in bed. Now that I am working, it's not a problem.
Posted by Roslynn on September 20, 2010, at 16:38:50
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
Forget her, Maxime, just hang out here with us!
Posted by weatherfreak on September 20, 2010, at 22:33:14
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » SLS, posted by Maxime on September 20, 2010, at 8:14:35
Hey Maxime, those forums are very erratic and always have been. Just stay away from them. People like that have no idea how distressing it is speaking to someone in that tone that is ill. I only use Crazy meds for info on freaky side effects and PI sheets. Those forums are toxic. Don't let it get to you. You're better than an ill informed moderator like that.
Posted by europerep on September 21, 2010, at 5:22:18
In reply to Lou's defense of Crazy meds- Dymphna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 20, 2010, at 5:42:07
> The moderator, Dymphna, has listed the class of chemical structure to the different chemicals and I think that indicates a depth of knowlege that could give credibility to his/her statements about the combining of the drugs in question.
>
in my eyes, this is a rather questionable definition of knowledge or credibility.besides, Maxime has pointed out multiple times how ill she is, and that there is a possible risk of her doing harm to herself if she continues to feel as bad, or even worse, i.e. if she did not take these drugs.
Posted by SLS on September 21, 2010, at 5:45:30
In reply to Re: Lou's defense of Crazy meds- Dymphna, posted by europerep on September 21, 2010, at 5:22:18
> > The moderator, Dymphna, has listed the class of chemical structure to the different chemicals and I think that indicates a depth of knowlege that could give credibility to his/her statements about the combining of the drugs in question.
Alternatively...
This moderator has only demonstrated, at best, a rote memory of old textbook and PDR entries. Of course, if it were important enough to this person, it wouldn't take long to look up a few facts to appear knowledgeable about an issue. There is no creative synthesis of ideas displayed. The moderator might be absolutely brilliant and well-informed, but I don't think this can be deduced from a listing of molecular structures. In my opinion, the other presumptions portrayed by the moderator are archaic and do not reflect the state of the art. They are especially impotent when treatment resistance is evident.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 6:09:26
In reply to Re: Lou's defense of Crazy meds- Dymphna, posted by SLS on September 21, 2010, at 5:45:30
Friends,
If anyone tells you that you could take a combination of drugs that are listed as contraindicated in the liturature, I am requesting that you read the following article.
Lou
You can see this article by:
A. pull up google
B. Type in:
[Heath Ledger's cause of death made official]
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 6:19:42
In reply to Lou's request-heath, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 6:09:26
Friends,
If anyone ells you anything that could lead to to think of taking a combination of drugs that the liturasture states has the potential to be lethal, I am requesting that you read the following article.
Lou
You can see this article by:
A. bring up google
B/ Type in:
[Officials:Smith's death caused by overdose]
Posted by 49er on September 21, 2010, at 6:33:49
In reply to Re: Lou's defense of Crazy meds- Dymphna » Lou Pilder, posted by Maxime on September 20, 2010, at 8:18:39
> Lou, there is a way to post and way not to post. Putting someone down because of the meds they take is the wrong way. It does not show that they care it just shows that they know fancy terms. She also accused me of ordering meds which I don't do. If she really cared, she would have been kinder. I guess that is we have the "please be civil" rule here on PB.
Maxime, I totally agree.
If she had expressed concern about the meds you were taking in a nice way, that is one thing. But to imply that you are the one who is at fault and a drug addict is simply mean and cruel.
I am sorry you had to deal with that.
49er
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 8:00:10
In reply to Lou's request-Anna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 6:19:42
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2537982/
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 9:06:52
In reply to Lou's request-compharm, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 8:00:10
Friends,
If you are conidering posting in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
http://www.cchrint.org/pdfs/Criminal_Negligence_White_Paper.pdf
Posted by europerep on September 21, 2010, at 12:46:21
In reply to Lou's request-Anna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 6:19:42
> Friends,
> If anyone ells you anything that could lead to to think of taking a combination of drugs that the liturasture states has the potential to be lethal, I am requesting that you read the following article.
> Lou
> You can see this article by:
> A. bring up google
> B/ Type in:
> [Officials:Smith's death caused by overdose]it is worth noting that both heath ledger's and anna nicole smith's death have been caused by drug cocktails not limited to, but including, opioids, drugs which are notorious for involuntary overdoses due to their potent respiratory depression.
one cannot put all drug combos that are listed as "dangerous" (and even dangerous is a continuum) into a single box and label it something. it is always a case-by-case issue, and any categorical ruling out of stuff that's "forbidden" according to (some) literature is counter-productive. it's like with illegal drugs: don't do it, unless you know exactly what you are doing! only that here, the aim is not supplemental pleasure, but finding a working treatment for a serious, life-threatenings disease.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 14:07:38
In reply to Lou's request-crimneg, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 9:06:52
Friends,
If anyone tries to lead you to believe that taking multiple drugs that are contraindicated could not kill you, I am requesting that you read thr following.
Lou
http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisdeath.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efL17ekQZ5k
Posted by europerep on September 21, 2010, at 14:47:54
In reply to Lou's request-hrtbraykhoetell, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 14:07:38
> Friends,
> If anyone tries to lead you to believe that taking multiple drugs that are contraindicated could not kill you, I am requesting that you read thr following.
> Lou
> http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisdeath.htm
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efL17ekQZ5ktwo things:
a)
"The painkillers Morphine and Demerol.
Chloropheniramine, an antihistamine.
The tranquilizers Placidyl and Vailum.
Finally, four drugs were found in "significant" quantities: Codeine, an opiate, Ethinamate, largely prescribed at the time as a "sleeping pill," Quaaludes, and a barbituate, or depressant, that has never been identified.It has also been rumored that Diazepam, Amytal, Nembutal, Carbrital, Sinutab, Elavil, Avental, and Valmid were found in his system at death."
this does not in any way compare to the drug combinations that are being discussed here.
b) noone says that contraindicated drugs "cannot kill you". but they won't do so necessarily. you make a sweeping generalization here.
also, why don't you respond to posts personally, instead of posting links over links to explain your point of view? I'd appreciate a real discussion, I don't like to argue with websites and youtube videos.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 16:25:54
In reply to Lou's request-hrtbraykhoetell, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 14:07:38
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you (redacted by respondent)
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzbzwPNgXA
Posted by Maxime on September 21, 2010, at 17:28:00
In reply to Lou's request-wishuponastar, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 16:25:54
Thanks, everyone! I am not going to let her get to me! I will post only here from now on. I didn't like the way she questioned if I was obtaining the meds legally or not.
It's in the past already! :)
Posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 6:21:14
In reply to Thank you!, posted by Maxime on September 21, 2010, at 17:28:00
I told D. to get her *ss out of her head and stop being a bitch. I told her she might feel better if she was nice.
I was banned. Like I give a f*ck. Seriously.
Posted by morgan miller on September 22, 2010, at 12:00:23
In reply to Banned!, posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 6:21:14
> I told D. to get her *ss out of her head and stop being a bitch. I told her she might feel better if she was nice.
>
> I was banned. Like I give a f*ck. Seriously.Good for you! Maybe I should get on there and give her a piece of my mind. I can't stand people like her. It's too bad she was allowed to be a moderator there.
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