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Posted by Huxley on May 30, 2010, at 22:10:43
I have searched back through the archives and noticed that I am not the only one in the boat with extreme withdrawal symptoms of zyprexa.I have been on it for 2 years. I seem to be able to take as little as .3 grams without experiencing any withdrawal but anything less than that it is the same as going cold turkey off it.
What I want to know is has anyone actually successfully gotten off Zyprexa despite suffering extreme withdrawals?Anxiety, Depression, Confusion, Suicidal thoughts, almost psychadelic feelings.
It is horrible.
I was prescribed it for sleep and it has turned me into a wreck of a person creating a whole new range of problems.
How long did the withdrawals last? I can take 2 months of work. Would I expect to be past the withdrawal phase if I did that?
Any tips much appreciated because I am at a loss on how to get off it.I am feeling quite scared and trapped at the moment, please help.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2010, at 4:36:35
In reply to Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by Huxley on May 30, 2010, at 22:10:43
>
> I have searched back through the archives and noticed that I am not the only one in the boat with extreme withdrawal symptoms of zyprexa.
>
> I have been on it for 2 years. I seem to be able to take as little as .3 grams without experiencing any withdrawal but anything less than that it is the same as going cold turkey off it.
>
>
> What I want to know is has anyone actually successfully gotten off Zyprexa despite suffering extreme withdrawals?
>
> Anxiety, Depression, Confusion, Suicidal thoughts, almost psychadelic feelings.
>
> It is horrible.
>
> I was prescribed it for sleep and it has turned me into a wreck of a person creating a whole new range of problems.
>
> How long did the withdrawals last? I can take 2 months of work. Would I expect to be past the withdrawal phase if I did that?
>
>
> Any tips much appreciated because I am at a loss on how to get off it.
>
> I am feeling quite scared and trapped at the moment, please help.
>Huxley,
You wrote,[...It is horrible...Any tips appreciated...].
I am sorry to read of what you and many others here are going through. I could offer you a way out from what is horrible to you but I can not post that way here.
But you could maybe find it on your own, elseware..
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2010, at 5:16:07
In reply to Lou's response-taighkelzwair » Huxley, posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2010, at 4:36:35
> >
> > I have searched back through the archives and noticed that I am not the only one in the boat with extreme withdrawal symptoms of zyprexa.
> >
> > I have been on it for 2 years. I seem to be able to take as little as .3 grams without experiencing any withdrawal but anything less than that it is the same as going cold turkey off it.
> >
> >
> > What I want to know is has anyone actually successfully gotten off Zyprexa despite suffering extreme withdrawals?
> >
> > Anxiety, Depression, Confusion, Suicidal thoughts, almost psychadelic feelings.
> >
> > It is horrible.
> >
> > I was prescribed it for sleep and it has turned me into a wreck of a person creating a whole new range of problems.
> >
> > How long did the withdrawals last? I can take 2 months of work. Would I expect to be past the withdrawal phase if I did that?
> >
> >
> > Any tips much appreciated because I am at a loss on how to get off it.
> >
> > I am feeling quite scared and trapped at the moment, please help.
> >
>
> Huxley,
> You wrote,[...It is horrible...Any tips appreciated...].
> I am sorry to read of what you and many others here are going through. I could offer you a way out from what is horrible to you but I can not post that way here.
> But you could maybe find it on your own, elseware..
> LouHuxley,
Since it is not allowable for me here to tell you of a way to be free from the drug, there could be a place elsewhere
Here is the problem.
A. (redacted by respondent}
B. Mr. Hsiung has defined what is and is not supportive here.
C. Does Mr. Hsiung control the content here?
D. If so, and you may be facing a life-ruining situation, could you understand that what I would be posting to you comes from a Jewish perspective and there is a threat posted here to me by Mr. Hsiung to expel me from this forum if I was to post the foundation of Judaism in relation to what I experianced in overcoming addiction.
You see, I do not want to see people suffer and die here. And at the same time I can not post here what I experianced in overcoming addiction. This situation that I find myself in here is causing me great distress, but I want you to know that I want to help you to be free from addiction to this drug and there is a way to do so.
Lou
Posted by polarbear206 on May 31, 2010, at 7:17:24
In reply to Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by Huxley on May 30, 2010, at 22:10:43
>
> I have searched back through the archives and noticed that I am not the only one in the boat with extreme withdrawal symptoms of zyprexa.
>
> I have been on it for 2 years. I seem to be able to take as little as .3 grams without experiencing any withdrawal but anything less than that it is the same as going cold turkey off it.
>
>
> What I want to know is has anyone actually successfully gotten off Zyprexa despite suffering extreme withdrawals?
>
> Anxiety, Depression, Confusion, Suicidal thoughts, almost psychadelic feelings.
>
> It is horrible.
>
> I was prescribed it for sleep and it has turned me into a wreck of a person creating a whole new range of problems.
>
> How long did the withdrawals last? I can take 2 months of work. Would I expect to be past the withdrawal phase if I did that?
>
>
> Any tips much appreciated because I am at a loss on how to get off it.
>
> I am feeling quite scared and trapped at the moment, please help.
>Do you have any benzos on hand? Did you call you p-doc?
Posted by 49er on May 31, 2010, at 9:31:04
In reply to Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by Huxley on May 30, 2010, at 22:10:43
Hi Huxley,
I am so sorry.
My suggestion is to find a compound pharmacist:
http://www.findings.net/sucompounding.html
They will make the doses you can't get at your local CVS pharmacy.
When you find one, see if they can make a compound so you can reduce by around 1% of current dose every 4 to 6 weeks.
My fear is at this low of a dose, this might be hard to do but it is the only option I can think of if you're having these severe problems.
The other concern is if the compound pharmacy can pull this off, you might have trouble getting your insurance company to cover it.
I wish I knew other options.
Are you bleeping kidding me when you say it was prescribed for sleep? I thought I had heard everything.
49er
> I have searched back through the archives and noticed that I am not the only one in the boat with extreme withdrawal symptoms of zyprexa.
>
> I have been on it for 2 years. I seem to be able to take as little as .3 grams without experiencing any withdrawal but anything less than that it is the same as going cold turkey off it.
>
>
> What I want to know is has anyone actually successfully gotten off Zyprexa despite suffering extreme withdrawals?
>
> Anxiety, Depression, Confusion, Suicidal thoughts, almost psychadelic feelings.
>
> It is horrible.
>
> I was prescribed it for sleep and it has turned me into a wreck of a person creating a whole new range of problems.
>
> How long did the withdrawals last? I can take 2 months of work. Would I expect to be past the withdrawal phase if I did that?
>
>
> Any tips much appreciated because I am at a loss on how to get off it.
>
> I am feeling quite scared and trapped at the moment, please help.
>
Posted by Phillipa on May 31, 2010, at 12:46:28
In reply to Re: Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by 49er on May 31, 2010, at 9:31:04
I agree with 49er and wonder also why prescribed for sleep? But I don't know your psychiatric history or diagnosis. Phillipa ps I use a compounding pharmacy for hormones and I have to pay but it's not bad.
Posted by bleauberry on May 31, 2010, at 17:31:00
In reply to Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by Huxley on May 30, 2010, at 22:10:43
I can sure relate. Zyprexa for 8 years at 5mg. Have been off it now for 3 years.
Like you, the most traumatic times were when ditching the last little crumbs of it.
What I found helpful. Take another crumb or so every other day, every third day, every fourth day, whatever, or whenever needed. Don't mark on the calendar a day when you will be done with it. Just set your sights on seeing how far you can get without it. When the going gets too rough, take your .3mg or .2mg or whatever. Don't take it again until you reach the point you just can't make it any longer without it. What I found was that the time between those emergency doses got longer and longer. Eventually I got a point where it was once a week.
I also used herbals to help cut the edge. Lemon balm, passionflower, skullcap, and valerian were helpful. Either alone or in experimental combinations, they allowed me to get through rough moments and go yet another day without zyprexa.
The total time for me to get from 5mg to zero and be able to survive without it was about 3 months. The total time after the last dose until it felt like my nervous system had reached a new place of stability without zyprexa, to where I no longer needed it any more, was about 3 months (after the last dose). In other words, the brain changes that antipsychotics do are quite profound and take the body some time to rebalance when they are withdrawn.
Be patient and don't be shy to employ some common inexpensive cheap herbals on an as needed basis. If you just can't stand it, take another tiny dose of zyprexa. Eventually you won't need it any more. You are just buying time for the brain to readjust.
Keep in mind, there is an outside chance that if the zyprexa was helping you a lot, you just might not be able to go without it. If a mere .3mg is all it takes to keep you in a decent state of control, geez, there is practically zero risk and zero toxicity in that small of a dose.
Posted by Huxley on May 31, 2010, at 22:38:40
In reply to Re: Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by bleauberry on May 31, 2010, at 17:31:00
> I can sure relate. Zyprexa for 8 years at 5mg. Have been off it now for 3 years.
>
> Like you, the most traumatic times were when ditching the last little crumbs of it.
>
> What I found helpful. Take another crumb or so every other day, every third day, every fourth day, whatever, or whenever needed. Don't mark on the calendar a day when you will be done with it. Just set your sights on seeing how far you can get without it. When the going gets too rough, take your .3mg or .2mg or whatever. Don't take it again until you reach the point you just can't make it any longer without it. What I found was that the time between those emergency doses got longer and longer. Eventually I got a point where it was once a week.
>
> I also used herbals to help cut the edge. Lemon balm, passionflower, skullcap, and valerian were helpful. Either alone or in experimental combinations, they allowed me to get through rough moments and go yet another day without zyprexa.
>
> The total time for me to get from 5mg to zero and be able to survive without it was about 3 months. The total time after the last dose until it felt like my nervous system had reached a new place of stability without zyprexa, to where I no longer needed it any more, was about 3 months (after the last dose). In other words, the brain changes that antipsychotics do are quite profound and take the body some time to rebalance when they are withdrawn.
>
> Be patient and don't be shy to employ some common inexpensive cheap herbals on an as needed basis. If you just can't stand it, take another tiny dose of zyprexa. Eventually you won't need it any more. You are just buying time for the brain to readjust.
>
> Keep in mind, there is an outside chance that if the zyprexa was helping you a lot, you just might not be able to go without it. If a mere .3mg is all it takes to keep you in a decent state of control, geez, there is practically zero risk and zero toxicity in that small of a dose.
Lou,Thanks for the advice, I'm sure you mean well but I don't think Juadism is going to help me out here.
And yes my dr is a terrible person who has alot to answer for in my books. I have an appointment with a new doctor tomorrow.
IF the new doctor tells me there is no such thing as zyprexa withdrawal I think I am going to burst into tears.bleauberry, thank god I have found someone who has actually successfully stoped Zyprexa. I have searched the internet far and wide.
Everyone I find in forums talking about this have eventually given up and just started taking the Zyprexa again.Or then there are those who
just stopped taking it and didn't have any problems at all.I am pretty confident that I dont need the zyprexa. I was fine without it. Mildly depressed.. but I would take that over where I am now.
I have made it 4 days into withdrawal cold turkey. I could quite easily go through three months of that If I was sitting at home with the support of my family.
But going to work/ carrying on everyday life is out of the question.I have a few questions, hope you dont mind.
After you stopped taking the Zyprexa, during the three month withdrawal period did it slowly get better? Or were the withdrawals pretty consistant and
then one day they just stopped?4 days into the withdrawal I felt like the symptoms were staying pretty linear as in not getting worse or better. Is that as bad as it is going to get? in the first
few days? or does it get worse?Did you find that you completly recovered? As in reverted back to the state you were in before you started the zyprexa? Do you have any lingering long term side effects?
Would benzo's help? Arn't they addictive too?
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2010, at 16:09:45
In reply to Lou's response-elsewhere?, posted by Lou Pilder on May 31, 2010, at 5:16:07
> what I would be posting to you comes from a Jewish perspective
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding a Jewish perspective to Psycho-Babble Faith. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20100403/msgs/949711.html
That'll be considered a new thread, so if you'd like to be notified by email of follow-ups to it, you'll need to request that there. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Deneb on June 2, 2010, at 6:17:46
In reply to Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by Huxley on May 30, 2010, at 22:10:43
Hello Huxley
Welcome to Psycho-Babble. Sorry I don't have experience with Zyprexa, but I wish you luck in withdrawing. It sounds awful.
Deneb
Posted by Huxley on June 2, 2010, at 22:02:27
In reply to Re: Zyprexa: Withdrawal help » Huxley, posted by Deneb on June 2, 2010, at 6:17:46
> Hello Huxley
>
> Welcome to Psycho-Babble. Sorry I don't have experience with Zyprexa, but I wish you luck in withdrawing. It sounds awful.
>
> DenebThanks Deneb.
Does anyone know of any sort of specialist centers for psych med discontinuation/rehab.
Posted by Phillipa on June 3, 2010, at 18:44:23
In reply to Re: Zyprexa: Withdrawal help, posted by Huxley on June 2, 2010, at 22:02:27
I feel they need one legal or not. Phillipa
Posted by friday on June 25, 2011, at 12:30:26
In reply to Re: Zyprexa: Withdrawal help » Huxley, posted by Phillipa on June 3, 2010, at 18:44:23
There are some clinics which help people in getting off of presrcibed drugs. One of them is Shangri La BioSpa & Green Mental Health Care Center -check it out. They claim to help not only with withdrawal, but also with all mental health issuses (in natural way, no drugs).
At least you can get free info and counseling.
There's also The road back organization. They've made a program for withdrawal of different drugs and have the nutritional supplements that can help.good luck to anyone who is going through this!
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