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Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 13:57:53
You're in the NYT link, too! See the tune in turn on post above--click pedr' s post.
:-D
Posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 15:04:39
In reply to Re: Congrats on the NY Times Article » terrym2442, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 12:51:47
The article I'm referring to is at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18fob-Medium-t.html
Lou, Dr. Bob is a pioneer in the field of offering online mental health resources. He and I are active in the International Society for Mental Health Online; that's where I heard about the NYT article.
Terry
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 17, 2010, at 15:44:33
In reply to Re: Congrats on the NY Times Article, posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 15:04:39
> The article I'm referring to is at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/magazine/18fob-Medium-t.html
>
> Lou, Dr. Bob is a pioneer in the field of offering online mental health resources. He and I are active in the International Society for Mental Health Online; that's where I heard about the NYT article.
>
> TerryTerry,
You wrote,[...a pioneer...He and I..I heard...]
I am unsure as to if your reply to me here is what you are wanting to post as an answer or anserws to my questions to you in my previous post. If they are:
A. How do they answer my questions to you?
B. If they aer not, could you post here what your intentions are in posting what you posted to me as a reply to my questions to you? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 18:55:37
In reply to frustratedmama, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 18:53:34
FM--my phone double-posted, not me! Apologies,
fb
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 19:10:51
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » linkadge, posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
Conundrum, that was very bad journalism--insensitive AND inaccurate--someone's ignorant opinion. I'm sorry your experience was given that thoughtless spin.
:(
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 19:27:46
In reply to frustratedmama, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 13:57:53
FB she's famous. There was an Amy Harmon that posted an article in the NYT also a few years ago wonder if in the archieves? That is the name she posted under. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 19:30:43
In reply to darn my smart phone! » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 18:55:37
FB how did your phone do that? Love Phillipa
Posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 19:31:34
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » Glydin 2010, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 13:01:44
> I just found that. Is that the extent of the article?
~~~ As far as I know yes.
Very short and sweet.~~~ Well, it was thankfully short.
I have a twisted gut reaction to anything in the mass media that addresses what goes on here. Irrational I know, as this IS a public board. I know there are voyeurs and critiquers but I think I'm more comfortable when the window peekers don't write articles for mass media.....stangely, even if they appear S O M E W H A T positive. I feel a bit protective of the deep intimate feelings, opinions and concerns, however anonymously, voiced here. I don't like to see that digested and spit out for public consumption in magazine articles.Again, I know my feelings are irrational. This place is about as public as it gets... but those feelings are the ones I own about this type of thing.
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 19:32:19
In reply to Re: darn my smart phone! » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 19:30:43
I'm not smart enough to figure that out
:-D
Posted by Economist on April 17, 2010, at 19:34:54
In reply to Re: Congrats on the NY Times Article, posted by terrym2442 on April 17, 2010, at 15:04:39
"Despite Hsiungs caution and control, weird threads pop up all the time, including, not long ago, one about how to love your family more through a pill. After voicing a traditional complaint Why am I not sad when I should be sad? "
What the. This isn't a weird thread. This is a serious concern and source of frustration for people with anhedonia.
Posted by Economist on April 17, 2010, at 19:38:28
In reply to In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 6:54:38
"Despite Hsiungs caution and control, weird threads pop up all the time, including, not long ago, one about how to love your family more through a pill. After voicing a traditional complaint Why am I not sad when I should be sad?"
Not being able to feel love and emotion towards friends and family is a serious concern and source of frustration for people with anhedonia. I'm a bit annoyed at the journalist finding it "weird". But I suppose this experience is difficult for people without anhedonia to comprehend.
Posted by Economist on April 17, 2010, at 19:41:33
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » linkadge, posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
Conundrum,
I was resentful too after reading that part where the author said it was "weird" to want to treat lack of emotion with medication. They have no idea what kind of purgatory we anhedonics are stuck in.
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 20:32:50
In reply to Re: darn my smart phone! » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 19:32:19
Ha Ha as I can't even get my cell to unlock to make a phonecall so never make them. I like my old cell phone an original. Oh a smartphone would definitely be dangerous in my hands!!!!! Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 20:38:42
In reply to Re: darn my smart phone! » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 20:32:50
LOL!
Posted by Phillipa on April 17, 2010, at 22:09:29
In reply to Re: darn my smart phone! » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on April 17, 2010, at 20:38:42
But true. Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 17, 2010, at 23:54:14
In reply to In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 6:54:38
Posted by 10derHeart on April 18, 2010, at 1:46:26
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article, posted by Glydin 2010 on April 17, 2010, at 19:31:34
If it means anything, I have **precisely** the same feelings.
Posted by 10derHeart on April 18, 2010, at 1:47:32
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » Glydin 2010, posted by 10derHeart on April 18, 2010, at 1:46:26
Posted by conundrum on April 18, 2010, at 6:58:09
In reply to so we can be irrational together ;-) (nm), posted by 10derHeart on April 18, 2010, at 1:47:32
I was thinking of buying it since I'll probably never make the NY times again, but then i realized it was a POS article and don't care. Its not like its something I can share with people I know anyway.
Posted by europerep on April 18, 2010, at 9:17:43
In reply to Re: so we can be irrational together ;-) » 10derHeart, posted by conundrum on April 18, 2010, at 6:58:09
> I was thinking of buying it since I'll probably never make the NY times again, but then i realized it was a POS article and don't care. Its not like its something I can share with people I know anyway.
haha, after re-reading this seven times now I get it.. at first I thought you meant you were gonna buy the NYT and then fire the dude who wrote the piece ;)...
Posted by Glydin 2010 on April 18, 2010, at 9:34:32
In reply to Re: so we can be irrational together ;-) » conundrum, posted by europerep on April 18, 2010, at 9:17:43
I don't think I could find better company to be irrational with.
I draw a difference between a focus of what folks are up AGAINST as opposed to what they are up TO.
I believe the focus of this article was a bit to the horn trumpting side because there is such a site created and maintained. However, the site is what it is because of the participants and some wrenching difficulties and confoundings. I would really dislike thinking of the words: intrusive and exploitive to serve the purpose of horn blowing.
Posted by kaylabear on April 18, 2010, at 10:11:36
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » linkadge, posted by conundrum on April 17, 2010, at 8:25:52
Conundrum, there is a place to post a comment in response to the article if you wish to clarify - to tell the author what you told us.
I was curious about the article. Being its in the magazine section, I can see the incentive to add a "twist" to the conversations. That's the media, and probably why I don't like to see a forum such as this marketed.
I do get that voyeristic feeling that was already mentioned. Taking people's posts from a place intended for support, and spreading them around the internet to "talk about the people" in ways that do not align with supporting people doesn't sit well with me.
There are plenty of mental health forums out there that do not publicize, tweet, and facebook, but have high traffic. Those are places I have moved to for support because those are places whose management matches the goals and intent of the forums--support and education.
The members here are great, so its not a place I want to avoid altogether....But this is why I don't post much here anymore, and what I do write now is nothing in depth or very personal. I usually just lurk here now.
Sorry to hear you were taken out of context.
Posted by Dinah on April 18, 2010, at 10:17:25
In reply to Re: let's consolidate this discussion here, thanks (nm), posted by Dr. Bob on April 17, 2010, at 23:54:14
I do see why you'd like the article.
But I wonder if there is anything you'd like to say to those who express feeling hurt at having their thoughts referred to as "weird". People take a risk sharing their most intimate thoughts here. I know I'd be very distressed, were I quoted, to see them taken out of context and judged in the national media.
Posted by Dinah on April 18, 2010, at 10:28:22
In reply to Re: let's consolidate this discussion here, thanks » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on April 18, 2010, at 10:17:25
Posted by conundrum on April 18, 2010, at 15:15:43
In reply to Re: In reading the recent NY Times article » conundrum, posted by kaylabear on April 18, 2010, at 10:11:36
Yeh she skipped about 7 paragraphs to string that sentence together. They actually took my response to sigismund, (where it says @sigismund), which was seperate from my description of how I was feeling and put that into the sentence. Take a look:
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My problem is that i don't get these feelings for my family and loved ones whether I'm on a drug or not. Its been like this since stopping prozac about 7 years ago. Anhedonia and lack of feelings is my only mood problem. I can be off meds and not feel sad or anxious, its the anhedonia thats terrible.Right now my grandmom is in the intensive care unit of the hospital, recovering from a big surgery, where they removed a tumor. Whenever she starts coughing or the nurses have to do something unpleasant the rest of my family gets teary eyed and sometimes needs to leave the room, with the exception of my mom. My mom said she cried in private when she found out my grandmom had the tumor and when we found out she might have an infection. I don't think I've shed one tear since finding out about the tumor. I love my grandmom, she practically raised me. yet I don't feel the need to cry. I know I would have cried if we had lost her, but it takes something that extreme to make me feel something. Maybe this is normal for me, i've been anhedonic for so long I don't know how I would normally act. Luckily she is getting better now.
Anehdonia can almost make one suicidal in a way. Not that you are in so much pain that you want to die, but you are so apathetic, uninterested in the world around you, not trying to progress in your career and life that you just don't care. Death wouldn't seem too much different than how I already feel.
I'm not sure whether I need SSRIs or not. 2.5 mgs of prozac was the only SSRI recently that helped me and made me more motivated, but didn't really help with emotions. I felt more motivated to do things but didn't really know why i was lol. I know that sounds weird. Higher doses just made me unmotivated again.
Actually reading all the responses has made me feel more hopeful that something will help. So thank you to everyone who replied.
I guess I'm just not a patient person and sometimes I'm scared of making the wrong drug decisions and being stuck on something that doesn't work for months.
My doc will probably increase my pristiq dosage next week. We'll see what that does.
@sigimund
I am interested in hyderzine and deprenyl. I have never tried any nootropic drugs except for supplements, which didn't do much, like CDP Choline, acetyl L carnitine, etc. Maybe deprenyl being selective for MAO B could clear up if I need a dopamine boost or not?I seem to respond well to norepinephrine so if pristiq doesn't work out so well I will try to get a secondary amine tricyclic like nortriptyline, desipramine, or protriptyline. Maybe add low dose prozac to that. I'm also curious about adrafinil the prodrug of provigil. Wish Tianeptine was available in the US. I think that could be something that might help.. Sometimes I think I have permanently elevated serotonin levels from taking prozac.
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