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Posted by tepi on January 15, 2010, at 23:55:42
HI !
I have been 2 months off Nardil . This is the longest time in the last years that I have been off meds without having a big down and perform without an AD .
I have only been taking Xanax 2 mg/dayI dont think my depression is bad , I just cant talk to people without fear , I dont like to be with people , Im always alone . I need something prosocial , ITs been a long time in this way
Do you have any thougths?
Posted by Sigismund on January 16, 2010, at 2:20:46
In reply to Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by tepi on January 15, 2010, at 23:55:42
Tep, I forget....why did you stop Nardil?
I don't recall you complaining about the side effects, though I do remember you saying it wasn't working well.
>I dont think my depression is bad , I just cant talk to people without fear , I dont like to be with people , Im always alone . I need something prosocial , ITs been a long time in this way
Look, I don't have anything nearly so bad a what you have, but I know what you are talking about. I don't like to say there is no hope, but if there is something that helps with fear, I never found it, not really. Some things change, some things remain the same. Change the things you can, accept the things you cannot change. Fear can make you feel outside life, then you might envy it, and cause yourself suffering. Hard to stop though.
I doubt Parnate would be as good as Nardil.
What about Marplan?
What about Lyrica?
Posted by Maxime on January 16, 2010, at 8:41:14
In reply to Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by tepi on January 15, 2010, at 23:55:42
I'm surprised and happy that you are doing so well off your meds. Maybe you don't need something as strong as Parnate. Maybe an SSRI or SNRI would do the trick for you. Have you ever tried any?
Posted by Phillipa on January 16, 2010, at 10:44:02
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » tepi, posted by Maxime on January 16, 2010, at 8:41:14
Tepi what Maxime says is true. What other meds have you tried? Love Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on January 16, 2010, at 11:06:06
In reply to Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by tepi on January 15, 2010, at 23:55:42
Some swear by cbt type therapies-- I'm sure you know that.
I tried some ssri's, snri's. And cbt. A stimulant of all things helps--.
Social anxiety is painful--incredibly so--I'm sorry you deal with it.
Wow, though, to be off meds. That is quite an accomplishment. Xanax alone
didn't work for me.Good luck to you! Are you in therapy?
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Posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:27:15
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by Sigismund on January 16, 2010, at 2:20:46
Hi Sigs
> Tep, I forget....why did you stop Nardil?
>I ran out of meds , I waited for 3 weeks for my new bottle to come and then I was doing kind of ok and losing some weigth gained so since Nov 09 I havent take a pill
> I don't recall you complaining about the side effects, though I do remember you saying it wasn't working well.
>Only a little bit of gain weigth and anorgasmia. Yeah It didnot work like I want , althougth it is the best of all
> >I dont think my depression is bad , I just cant talk to people without fear , I dont like to be with people , Im always alone . I need something prosocial , ITs been a long time in this way
>
> Look, I don't have anything nearly so bad a what you have, but I know what you are talking about. I don't like to say there is no hope, but if there is something that helps with fear, I never found it, not really. Some things change, some things remain the same. Change the things you can, accept the things you cannot change. Fear can make you feel outside life, then you might envy it, and cause yourself suffering. Hard to stop though.
>
15 years on this , Im kind of convenced that is not gonna dissapear , I have hope some med can help me perform better for he rest of my life> I doubt Parnate would be as good as Nardil.
>
> What about Marplan?
> What about Lyrica?Marplan , thats another MAO rigth? Lyrica is a GABA enhancer ? . I havent tried neither of them
Posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:32:32
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » tepi, posted by Maxime on January 16, 2010, at 8:41:14
> I'm surprised and happy that you are doing so well off your meds. Maybe you don't need something as strong as Parnate. Maybe an SSRI or SNRI would do the trick for you. Have you ever tried any?
Thanks Maxime , it is kind of rare rigth? It sounds a little logical about parnate being strong
Thats why I wonder why should I return to Nardil and or try ParnateI tried all SRRI`and SNRI , none helped me. Fear fear fear surrounds me . Depression just a little in this moment
Tepi
Posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:41:51
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by Phillipa on January 16, 2010, at 10:44:02
> Tepi what Maxime says is true. What other meds have you tried? Love Phillipa
I think most of them ,all SSRi`s SRNIs all tryciclycs, all benzos , all Atyipical APs but geodon , some conventional AP`s , 1 stimulant with Nardil, I dont remember what else, list is very longdo u notice how you r always asking me how I am but I never do the same fo you? Im sorry . Thats happen in real life , people dont look for me because I never talk back to them . I dont like it
Tepi
Posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:49:07
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » tepi, posted by floatingbridge on January 16, 2010, at 11:06:06
> Some swear by cbt type therapies-- I'm sure you know that.
>
> I tried some ssri's, snri's. And cbt. A stimulant of all things helps--.
>
do you have social fear too ? . Did the stimulant and cbt help you?> Social anxiety is painful--incredibly so--I'm sorry you deal with it.
>
> Wow, though, to be off meds. That is quite an accomplishment. Xanax alone
> didn't work for me.
>what happend if you leave your meds? I wasnt able to do this in the past , I dont know why I can now
> Good luck to you! Are you in therapy?
>
> fbThank you ! I was in therapy last year but I left it , it was not cbt , it was regular , talking alone with a psychologist (bad spelling sorry, english not my 1st language)
Posted by Sigismund on January 17, 2010, at 16:02:20
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » Maxime, posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:32:32
Tep, some people used Lyrica for social anxiety. The effect may be a little like alcohol. I have not taken it.
Marplan (MAO Inhibitor) is sometimes described as Nardil lite. I haven't tried it either.
Posted by floatingbridge on January 17, 2010, at 17:01:56
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » floatingbridge, posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:49:07
Tepi,
Yes, terrible SA -- for awhile dx'd as social phobia. For awhile, low dose Xanax made life bearable.
Dexadrine is the only med to date that helps. Sometimes the anxiety is completely gone. Then I can practice some cbt/dbt skills and build new habits.
W/o meds, at least so far, I haven't been able to do what I want--too clenched and fearful. And that's a real shame because I really like people--and need them, too.
I used to deny this need w/ lots of pushing away, solitary pursuits (which I still enjoy in moderation), feigned indifference. However, I was so lonely,
and my defenses stopped working (insert long story here).Sorry, I'm really going on. I'm contemplating parnate. I haven't heard of lyrics for SA as Sigi posted. Hmmmm.
Good luck--please post more--.
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Posted by bulldog2 on January 17, 2010, at 18:00:18
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » tepi, posted by floatingbridge on January 17, 2010, at 17:01:56
> Tepi,
>
> Yes, terrible SA -- for awhile dx'd as social phobia. For awhile, low dose Xanax made life bearable.
>
> Dexadrine is the only med to date that helps. Sometimes the anxiety is completely gone. Then I can practice some cbt/dbt skills and build new habits.
>
> W/o meds, at least so far, I haven't been able to do what I want--too clenched and fearful. And that's a real shame because I really like people--and need them, too.
> I used to deny this need w/ lots of pushing away, solitary pursuits (which I still enjoy in moderation), feigned indifference. However, I was so lonely,
> and my defenses stopped working (insert long story here).
>
> Sorry, I'm really going on. I'm contemplating parnate. I haven't heard of lyrics for SA as Sigi posted. Hmmmm.
>
> Good luck--please post more--.
>
> fb
>
>Yes lyrica and neurontin can be helpful. But have a reputation for pooping out. Perhaps more so than ads.
Posted by Phillipa on January 17, 2010, at 20:16:48
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by tepi on January 17, 2010, at 14:41:51
Tepi that's okay it's your thread not mine. Love Phillipa
Posted by tepi on January 18, 2010, at 21:20:12
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by Sigismund on January 17, 2010, at 16:02:20
> Tep, some people used Lyrica for social anxiety. The effect may be a little like alcohol. I have not taken it.
> Marplan (MAO Inhibitor) is sometimes described as Nardil lite. I haven't tried it either.
A Little like alcohol ?? wow , thats what I want!
Posted by Sigismund on January 18, 2010, at 23:59:35
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » Sigismund, posted by tepi on January 18, 2010, at 21:20:12
>thats what I want!
That's what I thought. That's why I mentioned it :)
Posted by Sigismund on January 19, 2010, at 0:04:31
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » tepi, posted by Sigismund on January 18, 2010, at 23:59:35
There are some side effects. (Here we go)
But I haven't taken it.
Weight gain, hunger, ummm, feeling loopy, being uncoordinated. I forgot....euphoria(!).
Maybe all that can be controlled by being careful with the dose and using it wisely?
Should be available OTC in your country, but could be expensive. I'm not sure.
Posted by tepi on January 19, 2010, at 23:08:47
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now?, posted by Sigismund on January 19, 2010, at 0:04:31
> There are some side effects. (Here we go)
>
> But I haven't taken it.
>
> Weight gain, hunger, ummm, feeling loopy, being uncoordinated. I forgot....euphoria(!).
>
> Maybe all that can be controlled by being careful with the dose and using it wisely?
>
> Should be available OTC in your country, but could be expensive. I'm not sure.>
Yeaah alcohol similar effect , that is good !
Hope can give me a similar effect
Thats what I want . Some family members told me to drink a lite bit daily , I told them is not the way out , but they answer me that that they prefer like this , than the way Iam now.
I havent dont thisSig , Do you know if can be taken together with Xanax ?
Posted by Sigismund on January 20, 2010, at 1:57:24
In reply to Re: Should I try Parnate or other med now? » Sigismund, posted by tepi on January 19, 2010, at 23:08:47
>Sig, do you know if can be taken together with Xanax ?
Yes, Tep, I think you can.
It might even be possible to use it so as to take less Xanax.
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