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Posted by ricker on August 23, 2009, at 18:45:38
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2009, at 17:02:40
Extending one's lifespan is only part of the treatment goal. Quality of life throughout the lifespan is most important.
For, me, no question, psychiatric medicine has been a godsend... not all the time.... but a large portion of my extended life!!!!!
Regards, Rick
Posted by morganator on August 23, 2009, at 22:28:52
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2009, at 17:02:40
Any time an antidepressant was working for me I felt much less stressed. I was able to deal with stressful events much easier. I slept much better. I worked more efficiently. I got better workouts and the benefit from the workout lasted much longer.
And the only reason why I am in bad shape at the moment is because I stopped taking my medication and did some other things to hurt myself around the same time. If I were more aware of my illness(I am bipolar), I may have not stopped medication.
If you feel good on medication, you feel less stress. It's as simple as that
Posted by yxibow on August 23, 2009, at 23:40:29
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2009, at 17:02:40
> Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?
>
> No.
>
> Longterm followup studies show it.Which?
And if the semantics are misconstrued in this, I don't believe that antidepressants are "life extension" supplements that some people believe will make them live to 200 years old or whatever.
> Stress is not reduced.
> Suicides are not reduced.
> Underlying diseases progress while misdiagnosed as depression.
> New diseases/syndromes are created.
> Remissions are a minority and commonly relapse within 3 years.
>
> Actually unmedicated depression patients who just try to live as healthy as they can the remainder of their miserable lives live longer than the medicated ones.I also can't believe what borders on complete lack of concern for people with depression
> Stress is not reduced.
No, depression has been commpletely unstressful to me... I feel perfectly at ease with primary and second depression. I've loved having problems, bleauberry.
"> Suicides are not reduced."
WTF ?? Of course they are in people who are suicidal who respond to medication. I've never thought about that at all.
> Underlying diseases progress while misdiagnosed as depression.
Yes, we know, Lyme, Lyme, Lyme.
In all fairness though, comorbid diseases are always going to be there. I'm quite sure I've had the common cold.
> New diseases/syndromes are created.
Side effects occur. Yes, I've had neurological consequences which are RARE to most other people and I'm not happy about that. But I'd be a lot worse without something on board.
> Remissions are a minority and commonly relapse within 3 years.
And where did this scientific paper quote come from?
There are plenty of success stories, antidepressant or therapy or both otherwise.
There's no such thing as 100% remission of anything, there's no "perfect" person.
But if you're successful with medication and continue to take it, you will likely to continue to experience this for some time to come, and that's more than 3 years.
Sorry, I'm trying to be civil, but this is really unfair to people who are fighting for their life and livelihood with depression on this board.-- Jay
Posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 5:43:30
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » bleauberry, posted by yxibow on August 23, 2009, at 23:40:29
> there's no "perfect" person.
I beg to differ.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by yxibow on August 24, 2009, at 6:41:26
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 5:43:30
> > there's no "perfect" person.
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> I beg to differ.
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> :-)
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>
> - Scott
>Well of course we should have people love each other and call each other/us perfect! :)
I was responding to the intrinsic nature that down to the last genome, nobody is flawless.
And I don't know quite how the first sentence I wrote so perfectly fits into the movie I just watched, Sleeping Dogs Lie.(Warning, some people may not find the irony in my sentence or the movie their taste. That is, the one by 'Bobcat' Goldthwait)
-- Jay
Posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 7:16:30
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » SLS, posted by yxibow on August 24, 2009, at 6:41:26
> > > there's no "perfect" person.
> > I beg to differ.
> >
> > :-)
> Well of course we should have people love each other and call each other/us perfect! :)
Perfect love is to love the imperfect.I had a real problem with that when I was younger. I was always looking for the perfect woman. It wasn't until I stopped doing this that I found someone who, at the time, was perfect for me.
- Scott
Posted by yxibow on August 24, 2009, at 7:35:10
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 7:16:30
> > > > there's no "perfect" person.
>
>
> > > I beg to differ.
> > >
> > > :-)
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> > Well of course we should have people love each other and call each other/us perfect! :)
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> Perfect love is to love the imperfect.
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> I had a real problem with that when I was younger. I was always looking for the perfect woman. It wasn't until I stopped doing this that I found someone who, at the time, was perfect for me.
>
>
> - Scott
Exactly, it was a short way of summarizing it with an amusing and sad and potentially not someone's taste in a movie example.
Its what I meant. And I hope someone can find the reverse in myself, because there are so many things going on.... anyhow... I don't want to go down there, its been really a bad set of symptoms lately.-- Jay
Posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 7:49:14
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » SLS, posted by yxibow on August 24, 2009, at 7:35:10
> I don't want to go down there, its been really a bad set of symptoms lately.
>
> -- Jay
Sorry to hear that. I hope things resolve soon.
- Scott
Posted by Ron Hill on August 24, 2009, at 17:15:52
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 5:43:30
> > there's no "perfect" person.
>
> I beg to differ.
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> :-)
>
>
> - Scott
>And humble too!
(-:
-- Ron
Posted by yxibow on August 24, 2009, at 17:18:52
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » yxibow, posted by SLS on August 24, 2009, at 7:49:14
> > I don't want to go down there, its been really a bad set of symptoms lately.
> >
> > -- Jay
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>
> Sorry to hear that. I hope things resolve soon.
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>
> - ScottThanks Scott, you're kind... well, this particularly strange and distressing set of the same 24/7 phenomenon that has been going on for almost 8 years, has been going on for 2 1/2 years, but I guess there's always chances....
-- Jay
Posted by bleauberry on August 25, 2009, at 18:09:42
In reply to Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by trainspotter on August 20, 2009, at 11:03:06
My previous response provoked a surprising uprising of emotions. That was not intended. I am sorry that happened.
As Dr Bob's disclaimer says, don't believe everything you see here. Opinions are opinions, everyone has them. Mine were not meant to cause an uprising. Mine are formed from a combination of "big picture", "scientific evidence", "anecdotal evidence", and "both sides of the fence views" all combined. I believe it is important for everyone to become as informed as possible on both sides of any debate before taking one's own side, and to strictly set aside personal emotions, biases, and preheld beliefs while gathering information.
I'm sick like you. On a day with more energy and time I would hunt for studies I saw. Do I trust those studies? Somewhat, not completely. Anywhere humans are involved, errors are inevitable. But they do become part of the "big Picture" "both sides of the fence".
Do I trust anecdotal evidence? Same as above.
Not mentioning the poster's name, I took the comments, "Lyme, lyme, lyme" very personally. That was a punch between the legs and a rather immature heartless malignant stab. You are forgiven my friend and I ask blessings on your day.
There is scientific evidence that the antidepessant Mianserin extends the life of nematodes by 30%. No other drug in hundreds did that.
There was someone on this earth who was perfect and flawless. You may have heard of JESUS?
My overall opinion remains that antidepressants can extend the lifespan of individual people on individual cases, but that when a sample population of thousands is considered, lifespan is shorter overall as a group. The reasons are involved and lengthy.
Longterm antidepressant samples have equal suicide rates as non-antidepressant samples. Studies are flawed in one way or another, interpretations can be twisted by any viewer, and I take that into account.
In the shortrun there is no doubt that the correct antidepressant for the correct person can add some years to their life. I just think that somewhere later in the majority of people's lives, those years are taken back. Alas, they were only borrowed.
Posted by Sigismund on August 25, 2009, at 20:07:37
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants.....Response to All, posted by bleauberry on August 25, 2009, at 18:09:42
We're all different here and we all have to find our own way.
I am thankful that there is such a variety of approaches represented on the boards.
There are people who I don't agree with from whom I have learned a great deal.
It is sometimes personally challenging, but I think we should welcome this.
Posted by yxibow on August 25, 2009, at 23:15:20
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants.....Response to All, posted by bleauberry on August 25, 2009, at 18:09:42
> My previous response provoked a surprising uprising of emotions. That was not intended. I am sorry that happened.
I understand... but you're right, it was emotional.
> As Dr Bob's disclaimer says, don't believe everything you see here. Opinions are opinions, everyone has them. Mine were not meant to cause an uprising. Mine are formed from a combination of "big picture", "scientific evidence", "anecdotal evidence", and "both sides of the fence views" all combined. I believe it is important for everyone to become as informed as possible on both sides of any debate before taking one's own side, and to strictly set aside personal emotions, biases, and preheld beliefs while gathering information.
And you're entitled to your opinion, and its quite true I don't believe everything I see here -- this isn't aimed at anyone in particular but I see a lot of antipsychiatry and questionable information that doesn't examine cause and effect, and causation is not always causality.
I see surprising and unexplainable things that people believe cause them depression, which I question causation/causality.
But on the other hand I am incredibly sensitive to -certain- medications, not all, so I understand what a rare side effect and what medications can do. I am an example of that.
> I'm sick like you. On a day with more energy and time I would hunt for studies I saw. Do I trust those studies? Somewhat, not completely. Anywhere humans are involved, errors are inevitable. But they do become part of the "big Picture" "both sides of the fence".
I am rather poorly too. Its not a good state at the moment. I also have hunted for studies, although I base them on HonCode, and scientific journals that I happen to have access to or PubMed citations.> Do I trust anecdotal evidence? Same as above.
No comment there... although I can theorize from a real peer reviewed journal that there is perhaps promise from a case study (like 3 people) but that doesn't provide enough information base.
> Not mentioning the poster's name, I took the comments, "Lyme, lyme, lyme" very personally. That was a punch between the legs and a rather immature heartless malignant stab. You are forgiven my friend and I ask blessings on your day.I'm sorry about that, and I apologize. Its very hard sometimes on here where this is the MEDICINE board and not the alternative board and I see certain things stated over and over again....
....about alternative theories that include dangerous practices of things such as chelation which should only be done in medical emergencies
..... and contrary to standard psychiatric practice advice about how first one should always be checked for Lyme disease.
And I cracked. I'm sorry to offend you. I am strangled every time I post on here by civility rules. Admittedly it was coarse... I'm trying to figure a way I could have said it civilly and yet strangling what I really wanted to say which is that I think is..... well.... can't say it on here.
I don't pretend to be above anyone's views and I try not to "practice medicine without a license" but I guess without saying anything more, I believe in things that come from relative to strongly mainstream medical journals. That's just my view.
Again, I apologize, but we obviously greatly disagree.
(I admit... I had a lot of tests done because I have a disorder category and symptoms that besides two people very vaguely have mentioned, nobody else has such a condition and I still wonder about other tests... dont get me wrong.)
It has gripped me for 8 years and robbed me of what I think most people take for granted of average sensory properties in life (visual amplifications and distortions that I think the average person would find rather scary if they could see through my psychiatric eyes) so maybe I am also bitter.
> There is scientific evidence that the antidepessant Mianserin extends the life of nematodes by 30%. No other drug in hundreds did that.I don't know about that... I haven't seen that study, and I'm not a nematode... its hard to transfer things from other species to humans... sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
Mianserin also has some detractions, and it is why mirtazapine is used these days... and I also see the same Wikipedia study that you mentioned, in Nature.
Yes, Nature is relatively mainstream, but that doesn't mean its absolute. But, so, its interesting, thanks..
I hope some day that the... and I'm probably going to offend someone, I can't help it... mm... ugh... again strangled by "being civil"... anti-scientific religious circle will allow us to use stem cells and other contentious non-living entities to expand what is the forefront of what could help millions of people.> There was someone on this earth who was perfect and flawless. You may have heard of JESUS?
It is impossible to scientifically debate the existence of someones god.
If you believe Jesus was perfect and flawless, then so be it. I can't refute this.
But I am agnostic, and I am Jewish. I am basically not religious, my scientific background makes me agnostic, which means I may believe at times that e.g. perhaps a higher power was looking out for me when I almost went over a cliff. I am strongly culturally though.
Religion helps some people explain the things that cannot be explained otherwise scientifically.And that's fine... in my mind... and here comes the civility again... as long as it is a completely personal belief. This is the same belief I have that people should have basic human rights and be able to do things in life that as best as possible don't infringe on others. As is said, it is hard to please everyone all the time.
I have a strict view of separation of church and state and to an extent the view of the founding Deists of the US. So I cannot countenance proselytizing, infringing on others' human rights (e.g. domestic partnerships, marriage to all, the right for women to have abortions in just about all circumstances, civil liberties and rights to all [e.g. extreme unnamed religion practices of flogging women, not allowing them to drive, putting veils on them, and flying airplanes into buildings occupied by people]).
I could go on about how religion has become the chief ruler of democracy but I wont because again, I am strangled by "being civil".But, and this is going into the religious area, if I recall one is here, and I just can't get into such debates
> My overall opinion remains that antidepressants can extend the lifespan of individual people on individual cases, but that when a sample population of thousands is considered, lifespan is shorter overall as a group. The reasons are involved and lengthy.Actually I believe when a population of thousands are considered its just the same and more valid of a study than 10 people, just like the required amount of people to be in studies for FDA approved medication. But we can disagree.. that's fine.
> Longterm antidepressant samples have equal suicide rates as non-antidepressant samples. Studies are flawed in one way or another, interpretations can be twisted by any viewer, and I take that into account.I agree with the first part, because I believe that all the warnings placed on EVERY antidepressant available in the pharmacy back to the 1950s are put there for CYA (cover your tushy) purposes.
Sure, a sample of people could react in "rare" ways (as a prescribing information notes... 1/1000, 1/10000 or less typically) and have worsened problems that lead to suicide.
But people who are depressed (and the standard gamut of listings of signs, we don't have to describe it all, I'm sure we know this) have a potential to be suicidal in the first place and the medicine may have zero to do with it.
> In the shortrun there is no doubt that the correct antidepressant for the correct person can add some years to their life. I just think that somewhere later in the majority of people's lives, those years are taken back. Alas, they were only borrowed.
I am allowed to disagree with this. There is no guarantees in life, and I have sorely learned this in the past years with an intense disorder I cannot believe is even in the class or state of conditions I have had before and have conquered or gotten around them in a fairly functional manner.
So I can't see how borrowing or taking has validity. It doesn't make sense to me. If you stay on medication, however imperfect it is, and yes, even for me, especially right now, very imperfect, that allows you greater functionality than otherwise, use what you have.Unfortunately, I am really down about "using what I have".
Yes, I have talked alot about me and perhaps not addressed you enough, but its not often I really bare my chest and say what is bothering me not because I dont think people wouldnt be sympathetic and empathic but because they extremely complex things that vex me as much as they have vexed some people that have heard or evaluated my case. Considering for myself, that it happened literally overnight like a snap.
So I will try not to be uncivil and not to offend you. Perhaps it is just better not to debate how I feel strongly. Perhaps we just but heads. I don't know anyway other to put it.
Take my apology, this is not religious, or otherwise, it is just face value to someone who has felt offended and I am sorry for that.-- tidings
Jay
Posted by SLS on August 26, 2009, at 6:19:37
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2009, at 17:02:40
Hi Bleuberry.
You show a lot of courage to post your views, and even more courage to continue to post in the face of opposition. However, you made statements in a manner that would lead a reasonable person to believe they were fact. It is your privilege to post in any manner you wish. I don't doubt that you have a sense of duty to inform people of things you believe will harm them. In kind, I have the privilege, and perhaps the duty, to challenge your opinions, especially since they are stated as fact rather than being qualified as opinions.
The onus is really on you to provide supporting evidence for your statements. I don't know if I will continue posting along this thread about your contentions, but if I do, it is not up to me to disprove anything you have to say. However, I will want to evaluate any supporting evidence you have for your views, and then reevaluate my own belief system.
I believe that the consequences of people acting upon your statements as if they were fact can lead to deleterious behavior, and perhaps shorten their life. That major depressive disorder and bipolar disorder are associated with cardiovascular disease and a shortened life-span is but one fact that I feel you must take into consideration.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015131515.htmhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2976950
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> > Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Longterm followup studies show it.
> > Stress is not reduced.
> > Suicides are not reduced.
> > Underlying diseases progress while misdiagnosed as depression.
> > New diseases/syndromes are created.
> > Remissions are a minority and commonly relapse within 3 years.
> >
> > Actually unmedicated depression patients who just try to live as healthy as they can the remainder of their miserable lives live longer than the medicated ones.
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> I can't believe you wrote all of these things.
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> I disagree with everything.
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> However, I have a mind that is ready to take a look at any citations you would like to provide us with.
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> Those are some very weighty conclusions you have come to. I would recommend that anyone who is inclined to be influenced by your post do their own research.
>
> What turned you? Disappointment?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by trainspotter on August 26, 2009, at 10:34:14
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » bleauberry, posted by SLS on August 26, 2009, at 6:19:37
Once again it's turning into who can insult who! Hey buster no fighting, it increases stress and reduces life, I have other posts about anxiety and panic and many people take this as a supportive group.
Posted by swan600 on August 26, 2009, at 13:48:34
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » bleauberry, posted by SLS on August 26, 2009, at 6:19:37
I read a study that sais it shortens the life span just like a person who smokes.
Posted by Phillipa on August 26, 2009, at 20:18:09
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by swan600 on August 26, 2009, at 13:48:34
And I've read the opposite so who really knows? Phillipa. ps I do know that I no longer have lymes disease. Did once and documentation to prove. The infection control specialist files of my testing and treatments for over two years. Many false negatives but not positives when done over and over again add the MRI"s and spinal fluid taps. But it's gone so I no longer think of it. Whats there now Is basically hormonal no doubt in my mind. But sometimes other meds are needed.
Posted by Garnet71 on August 28, 2009, at 14:49:04
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » swan600, posted by Phillipa on August 26, 2009, at 20:18:09
"lyme,lyme,lyme"
This comment is not directed to anyone in particular, but for the sake of increasing understanding...
...when I discovered one of the top medical schools has a research center dedicated to Lyme disease, it convinced me of the potential impact, importance, and credibility of the disease.
Posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2009, at 20:22:34
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by Garnet71 on August 28, 2009, at 14:49:04
Garnet I subscribe to that newsletter as well. Very informative. Love Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on August 29, 2009, at 0:28:11
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by Garnet71 on August 28, 2009, at 14:49:04
> "lyme,lyme,lyme"
>
> This comment is not directed to anyone in particular, but for the sake of increasing understanding...
>
> ...when I discovered one of the top medical schools has a research center dedicated to Lyme disease, it convinced me of the potential impact, importance, and credibility of the disease.
>
> http://www.columbia-lyme.org/research/cr_research.html
>Well the good old U of Chicago has published the IDSA guidlines for Lyme
Unfortunately I think its one of those journals one can't access from everywhere, but the citation:
Clinical Infectious Diseases 2006;43:10891134
(c) 2006 by the Infectious Diseases Society of America. All rights reserved.
1058-4838/2006/4309-0001$15.00
DOI: 10.1086/508667and the article is quite extensive.
But a quick read of it still notes that Lyme disease is not a condition that warrants long term use of antibiotics.
Now, people may have different opinions, that it is under reported, possibly, but while the number of reported cases has risen [from the CDC] (due to population increase and possibly increased reporting, one might surmise) is less than traffic fatalities, influenza deaths, and other conditions one can think of.
And these are reports, not deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_UpClimbLymeDis.htm
The average cases is 9 per 100,000, with about 1/10,000 in the most probable areas, mainly New England states.
-- tidings
Posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2009, at 19:49:18
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan?, posted by Garnet71 on August 28, 2009, at 14:49:04
Holy Moly was born and raised in Norwalk Ct. Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on August 31, 2009, at 21:24:57
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » Garnet71, posted by yxibow on August 29, 2009, at 0:28:11
The CDC is a political beauracracy that is in the business of surveillance and monitoring.
They are not in the business of treating actual patients and thus have no direct experience or contact with them.
The clearly offer the disclaimer that their testing guidelines and treatments are for surveillance and monitoring purposes, not intended for clinical use.
Lyme is extremely complicated. We wish it would be so easy as to say take this ABX for 2 months and that's all we can do for you.
You think treating your depression is tricky? Lyme makes your depression look like child's play.
Anyone wishing to comment on the topic, one way or other, doesn't matter, should refrain from doing so until they know more than a cherry picked view of it.
> > "lyme,lyme,lyme"
> >
> > This comment is not directed to anyone in particular, but for the sake of increasing understanding...
> >
> > ...when I discovered one of the top medical schools has a research center dedicated to Lyme disease, it convinced me of the potential impact, importance, and credibility of the disease.
> >
> > http://www.columbia-lyme.org/research/cr_research.html
> >
>
> Well the good old U of Chicago has published the IDSA guidlines for Lyme
>
> Unfortunately I think its one of those journals one can't access from everywhere, but the citation:
>
> Clinical Infectious Diseases 2006;43:10891134
> (c) 2006 by the Infectious Diseases Society of America. All rights reserved.
> 1058-4838/2006/4309-0001$15.00
> DOI: 10.1086/508667
>
> and the article is quite extensive.
>
> But a quick read of it still notes that Lyme disease is not a condition that warrants long term use of antibiotics.
>
>
>
> Now, people may have different opinions, that it is under reported, possibly, but while the number of reported cases has risen [from the CDC] (due to population increase and possibly increased reporting, one might surmise) is less than traffic fatalities, influenza deaths, and other conditions one can think of.
>
> And these are reports, not deaths.
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_UpClimbLymeDis.htm
>
> The average cases is 9 per 100,000, with about 1/10,000 in the most probable areas, mainly New England states.
>
>
> -- tidings
Posted by yxibow on September 1, 2009, at 5:14:19
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » yxibow, posted by bleauberry on August 31, 2009, at 21:24:57
> The CDC is a political beauracracy that is in the business of surveillance and monitoring.
>
> They are not in the business of treating actual patients and thus have no direct experience or contact with them.
>
> The clearly offer the disclaimer that their testing guidelines and treatments are for surveillance and monitoring purposes, not intended for clinical use.
>
> Lyme is extremely complicated. We wish it would be so easy as to say take this ABX for 2 months and that's all we can do for you.
>
> You think treating your depression is tricky? Lyme makes your depression look like child's play.
>
> Anyone wishing to comment on the topic, one way or other, doesn't matter, should refrain from doing so until they know more than a cherry picked view of it.I thought I would just stop because its pointless to get into arguments that become uncivil but this is too provocative.
I'm sorry, I don't really believe in generalizations and conspiracy theories. The CDC is a research institution associated with the US government founded just after the war.
One of its first tasks was to control malaria which was still rampant. Yes, DDT was used and we now know that we can't use this and malathion is usually used today, but it was effective against something that was at the time potentially a debilitating disease in the US still.
It doesn't just pay lip service to diseases; monitoring is important to epidemiology and gathering information on existing and emerging diseases in the US.
They continue to provide valuable assistance to first responders and assess threats of potential activity.
They are involved in research as well as prevention of diseases.. that's where the "and Prevention" comes from.
And as for your comment on "cherry picking", people are welcome to post their views on any subject on here just as much as your generalization of an agency.Yes, the director of the agency is an appointment of the president and if one wants to make any political comments, that's where it can be generalized as "bureaucracy", but many agencies of the government also have some form of appointments as well for better or worse.
But I especially am taken aback that somehow my condition is "child's play" compared to Lyme Disease.
I've been sick for 8 years with a disorder that only parts of it are known, the etiology/onset and source of its continuation are not particularly known unlike Lyme disease which has a blatant and clear vector and organism responsible for what I'm not denying are some fairly nasty symptoms that may persist even after one no longer tests positive for anything.
So to be clear, I'm no happy camper either. Try standing at an intersection and perceive cars going by at 150% and more of their speed, knowing this isn't true, and not knowing any way of controlling this emergent symptom that has been with me for more than two years.And I could go on with primary and secondary depression, massive weight gain, somatic issues and iatrogenic neurological conditions and a half dozen catch-22 situations.
I hope you have resolution to what ails you but that doesn't require comparison of things, including myself, if I sound upset, I am, but just had to put it out there.So sorry for implying any above comparison. I just needed to get it out there. I rarely say anything much about myself.
Good day and let's just leave things here.
Posted by SLS on September 1, 2009, at 6:01:09
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » bleauberry, posted by yxibow on September 1, 2009, at 5:14:19
Yxibow, thanks for posting what I find to be a valid defense of the CDC. I also want to thank you for sharing some information about your own plight. It is FAR from being child's play. I am not sure I would have the positive and constructive attitude you display in the face of such an enigmatic illness.
Bleuberry, my doctor is one of the foremost experts in the area of the diagnosis and treatment of Lyme Disease. He is not afraid to evaluate a psychiatric presentation as Lyme. He even ran me through a course of doxycyline treatment. He was hoping it would make me feel worse in the beginning. I'm sure you understand why. The next time I speak to him, I'll try to remember to ask him what is the rate of infection.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on September 1, 2009, at 6:08:39
In reply to Re: Do Antidepressants extend lifespan? » bleauberry, posted by yxibow on September 1, 2009, at 5:14:19
Jay, something occurred to me. I am curious. Are anticonvulsants ever used for your condition?
I would TOTALLY understand were you to decide against commenting on this.
I know that your treatment is multimodal, and that you are working your butt off.
Anyway, I hope that you feel better soon.
- Scott
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