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Posted by linkadge on July 1, 2009, at 16:12:03
There seems to be a brain connection between pleasure and guilt. It is hard for me to experience pleasure without the guilt switch turning on too.
Linkadge
Posted by Maxime on July 1, 2009, at 16:29:50
In reply to Guilt free pleasure, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2009, at 16:12:03
I have the same problem. I don't feel like I deserve any pleasure in life so when it does happen I feel guilty and angry at myself.
Posted by Phillipa on July 1, 2009, at 18:35:24
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure » linkadge, posted by Maxime on July 1, 2009, at 16:29:50
Same here as not working and can not. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on July 1, 2009, at 20:31:26
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by Phillipa on July 1, 2009, at 18:35:24
I just assumed it's because I was raised Catholic....
FB
Posted by morganpmiller on July 1, 2009, at 23:50:44
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by floatingbridge on July 1, 2009, at 20:31:26
You guys might not take this theory well but I will say it anyway. I think it has something to do with not loving ourselves the way we need. It may also be that if we allowed our selves to totally experience the pleasure without guilt, then we would be making ourselves vulnerable. And if we are vulnerable, we can be hurt.
I wish I could experience pleasure period right now.
Posted by Maxime on July 2, 2009, at 13:22:38
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by morganpmiller on July 1, 2009, at 23:50:44
> You guys might not take this theory well but I will say it anyway. I think it has something to do with not loving ourselves the way we need. It may also be that if we allowed our selves to totally experience the pleasure without guilt, then we would be making ourselves vulnerable. And if we are vulnerable, we can be hurt.
>
> I wish I could experience pleasure period right now.I think you are right. Because I want OTHER people to experience pleasure, but not myself. In some ways it makes me scared.
Posted by bulldog2 on July 2, 2009, at 14:41:39
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by Phillipa on July 1, 2009, at 18:35:24
> Same here as not working and can not. Phillipa
I thought you go into a state of ecstasy when you grow tomotoes..
Posted by bulldog2 on July 2, 2009, at 14:42:46
In reply to Guilt free pleasure, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2009, at 16:12:03
> There seems to be a brain connection between pleasure and guilt. It is hard for me to experience pleasure without the guilt switch turning on too.
>
> LinkadgeWhen I grow tomatoes I feel this surge of ecstasy as I am doing God's work.
Posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2009, at 20:25:44
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by bulldog2 on July 2, 2009, at 14:42:46
Changing your name to tomatoe man. Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on July 3, 2009, at 0:51:55
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2009, at 20:25:44
Hmm... not sure about a biochemical wiring.... I think it is more psychological and psychodynamic issues and societal pressures.
I can give you one of the most obvious examples -- masturbating. Oh, don't shy from the statistics, I'd say about 99% of people have done it in their lives.For reasons I'm not going to go into all of them at the moment (they're not religious), it is simple pleasure, relieves anxiety, and yet there's guilt attached to it for me on some level.
I will say it is my self-image, where I am with major psychiatric problems, and my weight problems from medication which makes it hard to get into a fantasy when the image of my body now pops into the picture.
Yes, I'm sure as long as we've been humans, there's been hedonism.
Some hedonism should have conscience and restraint -- Schadenfreude (the sheer
pleasure of other people's misery -- it can't really be translated from the German).......humour and jokes are funny, but some will inevitably hurt someone. Of course there's the saying you can't please everyone all the time...
...but I believe pleasure that involves as close as one can get to "victim free" (what we all do impacts the earth and people around us, socially, politically, morally -- again, societal views) should be an important part of our lives.
-- Jay
Posted by Zana on July 3, 2009, at 16:10:57
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by yxibow on July 3, 2009, at 0:51:55
I agree with you Jay. I think there are a lot of reasons, including being raised Catholic (very funny Floatingbridge) that people can't experience pleasure without guilt. My shrink thinks that I can't experience pleasure because it comes with separation from people I am "supposed" to be taking care of like everyone in my family. I dunno. I too would just like to be happy. Just for a little while...
Zana
Posted by linkadge on July 3, 2009, at 17:40:14
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by Zana on July 3, 2009, at 16:10:57
I think there are some social factors.
I have always thought that true pleasure is never something you can seek out to find, it is something that comes unexpectedly to you.
It seems lately that all I am interested in is controlling pleasure. How can I control feeling good. This may be part of depression, I don't know. The more I *want* to achieve pleasure the more impossible it is to have. Nevertheless, I never remember being like this.
Subtle things have been changing in me over the years. In the past, I was more able to just do stuff and not care - and in the process I recieved happiness.
This just seems impossible now. It is this chronic wanting. It is like I am too focused on the goal that I can't enjoy the journey. I am trying to let go of stuff but its hard.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on July 3, 2009, at 17:43:27
In reply to Re: Guilt free pleasure, posted by Zana on July 3, 2009, at 16:10:57
I think there is a pleasure guilt axis. It mood problems it goes too far in the wrong direction. Even so much that people feel guilt when there is nothing to be guilty for. They start to blame it in pleasures that were way in the past.
This is punishment for the time I......
In bipolar mania its the opposite. You feel too much pleasure or drive and no guilt. You don't care about stepping on whomever or whatever to do or get what you want. Like an amphetamine binge I guess.
Linkadge
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