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Posted by bleauberry on June 23, 2009, at 19:10:02
Lyme and depression.
Depression cured with antibiotics.
Parasites and schizophrenia.
Undercooked meat and full blown psychosis.
Schizophrenia cured with antibiotics.
Strep throat and lots of stuff.
Shooting blind purely on gut instinct and intuition, I believe this article is directly and profoundly applicable to at least 30% of us here. I think I might be wrong though. The number is probably higher. Psychosis, OCD, depression, or anxiety.People gotta know this stuff. People can't say, "That happens to other people, I'm not one of them". People can't say, "My Lyme test was negative so I don't have Lyme". People can't say, "Since me and my doctor don't know anything about germs, then I don't have germs". Sadly though, if one's doctor only deals with pscyhiatric meds, he/she may not be the one to restore one's sanity.
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23 June 2009http://www.msnbc.com/news/997153.asp?cp1=1
Diseases of the Mind
Bacteria, viruses and parasites may cause mental illnesses like depression and perhaps even autism and anorexia
By Janet Ginsburg
NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONALDec. 1 issue - Olga Skipko has had the good fortune to live most of her adult life in the Polish village of Gruszki, in the heart of the Puszcza Bialowieska, one of Europe's most beautiful forests and home to wolves, lynxes and the endangered European bison. Unfortunately, the forest is also a breeding ground for disease-carrying ticks. Skipko, 49, thinks she was bitten about 10 years ago, when she began having the classic symptoms of Lyme borreliosis, a tickborne nervous-system disease: headaches and aching joints. She didn't get treatment until 1998. "I was treated with antibiotics and felt a bit better," she says.
THAT WAS only the beginning of her troubles. A few years later, she began to forget things and her speaking grew labored. It got so bad that she had to quit her job in a nursery forest and check herself in to a psychiatric clinic. "I hope they will help me," she says. "I promised my children that when I come back home, I will be able to do my favorite crosswords again." Doctors ran a battery of tests and concluded that her mental problems were the advanced stage of the Lyme disease she had contracted years ago.
Scientists have long known that some diseases can cause behavioral problems. When penicillin was first used to treat syphilis, thousands of cured schizophrenics were released from mental asylums. Now, however, scientists have evidence that infections may play a far bigger role in mental illness than previously thought. They've linked cases of obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia to a variety of infectious agents, and they're investigating autism, Tourette's and anorexia as well. They're beginning to suspect that bad bugs may cause a great many other mental disorders, too. "The irony is that people talked about syphilis as the 'great imitator'," says University of Louisville biologist Paul Ewald, "but it may be the 'great illustrator'-a model for understanding the causes of chronic diseases."
Mental illnesses constitute a large and growing portion of the world's health problems. According to the World Health Organization, depression is one of the most debilitating of diseases, on a par with paraplegia. Psychiatric illnesses make up more than 10 percent of the world's "disease burden" (a measure of how debilitating a disease is), and are expected to increase to 15 percent by 2020. Much of this may be the work of viruses, bacteria and parasites. Psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, of the Stanley Medical Research Institute in Maryland, has found from studying historical asylum records that hot spots-higher-than normal incidences-of mental illness can shift, much like infectious-disease outbreaks, which lends credence to the notion that infectious agents play a big role. "Mental disorders are the major chronic recurrent disorders of youth in all developed countries," says Harvard policy expert Ronald Kessler, who directs the WHO's mental-health surveys.
Perhaps the most well known disease that's been linked to mental disorders is Lyme disease, which is caused by the Borrelia burgdorferi germ. First identified in the mid-1970s among children near Lyme, Connecticut, the disease has long been known to cause nervous-system problems and achy joints if left untreated. Now scientists are finding that Lyme disease can also trigger a whole smorgasbord of psychiatric symptoms, including depression. One New York man (we'll call him Joe) found out firsthand how debilitating the disease can be. When he began having bouts of major depression back in 1992, he had forgotten all about the tick bite he had gotten four years earlier. He spent two years in a blur of antipsychotic drugs, mental institutions, jails and suicide attempts. On a hunch, a doctor at a psychiatric hospital in New Jersey had Joe tested for Lyme disease. After an intensive course of antibiotics, Joe's improvement was dramatic and immediate. "I started to have this fog lift," he recalls. Still, he will probably have to be on psychotropic drugs for the rest of his life.
Some psychiatrists fret that there may be thousands of people suffering from Lyme- induced depression without knowing why. Not only is Lyme disease tricky to diagnose-not everybody gets the circular rash, and lab tests still aren't wholly reliable-it can take a decade or more for mental disorders to set in. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says that nine out of 10 cases of Lyme diseases remain unreported. There are 15 species of borellias-making them the most common tickborne disease-producing bacteria in the world.
For its part, the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which can be found in undercooked meat and cat feces, can lead to full-blown psychotic episodes. Some studies suggest that the parasite stimulates the production of a chemical similar to LSD, producing hallucinations and psychosis. Even when the parasite lies dormant in muscle and brain tissue, it can affect attention span and reaction time in otherwise healthy people. Researchers at Charles University in Prague have discovered that people who test positive have slightly slower-than-average reaction times and-possibly as a result-are almost three times as likely to have car accidents. That's a disturbing prospect, considering that the disease is so widespread: billions of people are thought to be infected.
Even a simple sore throat can lead to psychiatric problems. Few children avoid coming down with a streptococcus infection, also known as strep. Scientists now think that one in 1,000 strep sufferers also develops abrupt-onset obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in a matter of weeks. Strep bacteria trigger OCD by igniting an overzealous response from the immune system, which attacks certain types of brain cells, causing inflammation. Symptoms generally die down after a few months but can flare up again, especially if there's another bout of strep, says Susan Swedo, a childhood-disease expert at the National Institutes of Health. The most effective treatment, still experimental, is to filter out the misbehaving antibodies from the blood. Best is to treat strep early on.
The specter of a depression germ or contagious obsessive-compulsive disorder is unnerving, but it also opens up many more treatment options-antibiotics, vaccines, checking for ticks. Geneticists believe that diseases may trigger the onset of inherited mental illnesses by activating key genes. Avoiding and treating infection may be just as important as the genes you inherit, and a whole lot easier to do something about.
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With Joanna Kowalska In Warsaw© 2003 Newsweek, Inc.
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 23, 2009, at 21:08:57
In reply to Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 23, 2009, at 19:10:02
> Lyme and depression.
> Depression cured with antibiotics.
> Parasites and schizophrenia.
> Undercooked meat and full blown psychosis.
> Schizophrenia cured with antibiotics.
> Strep throat and lots of stuff.
> Shooting blind purely on gut instinct and intuition, I believe this article is directly and profoundly applicable to at least 30% of us here. I think I might be wrong though. The number is probably higher. Psychosis, OCD, depression, or anxiety.
>
> People gotta know this stuff. People can't say, "That happens to other people, I'm not one of them". People can't say, "My Lyme test was negative so I don't have Lyme". People can't say, "Since me and my doctor don't know anything about germs, then I don't have germs". Sadly though, if one's doctor only deals with pscyhiatric meds, he/she may not be the one to restore one's sanity.
>
> documents may be copied (to distribute) but edit only for alignment.
> 23 June 2009
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/997153.asp?cp1=1
>
> Diseases of the Mind
>
> Bacteria, viruses and parasites may cause mental illnesses like depression and perhaps even autism and anorexia
>
> By Janet Ginsburg
> NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONAL
>
> Dec. 1 issue - Olga Skipko has had the good fortune to live most of her adult life in the Polish village of Gruszki, in the heart of the Puszcza Bialowieska, one of Europe's most beautiful forests and home to wolves, lynxes and the endangered European bison. Unfortunately, the forest is also a breeding ground for disease-carrying ticks. Skipko, 49, thinks she was bitten about 10 years ago, when she began having the classic symptoms of Lyme borreliosis, a tickborne nervous-system disease: headaches and aching joints. She didn't get treatment until 1998. "I was treated with antibiotics and felt a bit better," she says.
>
> THAT WAS only the beginning of her troubles. A few years later, she began to forget things and her speaking grew labored. It got so bad that she had to quit her job in a nursery forest and check herself in to a psychiatric clinic. "I hope they will help me," she says. "I promised my children that when I come back home, I will be able to do my favorite crosswords again." Doctors ran a battery of tests and concluded that her mental problems were the advanced stage of the Lyme disease she had contracted years ago.
>
> Scientists have long known that some diseases can cause behavioral problems. When penicillin was first used to treat syphilis, thousands of cured schizophrenics were released from mental asylums. Now, however, scientists have evidence that infections may play a far bigger role in mental illness than previously thought. They've linked cases of obsessive-compulsive disorder, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia to a variety of infectious agents, and they're investigating autism, Tourette's and anorexia as well. They're beginning to suspect that bad bugs may cause a great many other mental disorders, too. "The irony is that people talked about syphilis as the 'great imitator'," says University of Louisville biologist Paul Ewald, "but it may be the 'great illustrator'-a model for understanding the causes of chronic diseases."
>
> Mental illnesses constitute a large and growing portion of the world's health problems. According to the World Health Organization, depression is one of the most debilitating of diseases, on a par with paraplegia. Psychiatric illnesses make up more than 10 percent of the world's "disease burden" (a measure of how debilitating a disease is), and are expected to increase to 15 percent by 2020. Much of this may be the work of viruses, bacteria and parasites. Psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, of the Stanley Medical Research Institute in Maryland, has found from studying historical asylum records that hot spots-higher-than normal incidences-of mental illness can shift, much like infectious-disease outbreaks, which lends credence to the notion that infectious agents play a big role. "Mental disorders are the major chronic recurrent disorders of youth in all developed countries," says Harvard policy expert Ronald Kessler, who directs the WHO's mental-health surveys.
>
> Perhaps the most well known disease that's been linked to mental disorders is Lyme disease, which is caused by the Borrelia burgdorferi germ. First identified in the mid-1970s among children near Lyme, Connecticut, the disease has long been known to cause nervous-system problems and achy joints if left untreated. Now scientists are finding that Lyme disease can also trigger a whole smorgasbord of psychiatric symptoms, including depression. One New York man (we'll call him Joe) found out firsthand how debilitating the disease can be. When he began having bouts of major depression back in 1992, he had forgotten all about the tick bite he had gotten four years earlier. He spent two years in a blur of antipsychotic drugs, mental institutions, jails and suicide attempts. On a hunch, a doctor at a psychiatric hospital in New Jersey had Joe tested for Lyme disease. After an intensive course of antibiotics, Joe's improvement was dramatic and immediate. "I started to have this fog lift," he recalls. Still, he will probably have to be on psychotropic drugs for the rest of his life.
>
> Some psychiatrists fret that there may be thousands of people suffering from Lyme- induced depression without knowing why. Not only is Lyme disease tricky to diagnose-not everybody gets the circular rash, and lab tests still aren't wholly reliable-it can take a decade or more for mental disorders to set in. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control says that nine out of 10 cases of Lyme diseases remain unreported. There are 15 species of borellias-making them the most common tickborne disease-producing bacteria in the world.
>
> For its part, the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which can be found in undercooked meat and cat feces, can lead to full-blown psychotic episodes. Some studies suggest that the parasite stimulates the production of a chemical similar to LSD, producing hallucinations and psychosis. Even when the parasite lies dormant in muscle and brain tissue, it can affect attention span and reaction time in otherwise healthy people. Researchers at Charles University in Prague have discovered that people who test positive have slightly slower-than-average reaction times and-possibly as a result-are almost three times as likely to have car accidents. That's a disturbing prospect, considering that the disease is so widespread: billions of people are thought to be infected.
>
> Even a simple sore throat can lead to psychiatric problems. Few children avoid coming down with a streptococcus infection, also known as strep. Scientists now think that one in 1,000 strep sufferers also develops abrupt-onset obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in a matter of weeks. Strep bacteria trigger OCD by igniting an overzealous response from the immune system, which attacks certain types of brain cells, causing inflammation. Symptoms generally die down after a few months but can flare up again, especially if there's another bout of strep, says Susan Swedo, a childhood-disease expert at the National Institutes of Health. The most effective treatment, still experimental, is to filter out the misbehaving antibodies from the blood. Best is to treat strep early on.
>
> The specter of a depression germ or contagious obsessive-compulsive disorder is unnerving, but it also opens up many more treatment options-antibiotics, vaccines, checking for ticks. Geneticists believe that diseases may trigger the onset of inherited mental illnesses by activating key genes. Avoiding and treating infection may be just as important as the genes you inherit, and a whole lot easier to do something about.
>
> -----------------------------------
> With Joanna Kowalska In Warsaw
>
> © 2003 Newsweek, Inc.
>Problem is bleauberry, I havn't met any doctor willing to test for the whole shebang of lyme, parasites, candida etc. Most doctors don't know about it and the rest don't give sh*t about it.
Posted by Phillipa on June 23, 2009, at 22:52:38
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 23, 2009, at 21:08:57
Being a native of CT I did have lyme's but contracted it in NC. Treated for two years with antibiotics and now ANA from 1:2800 to 1:60 and sometimes 1:30. Think it's gone. Swine flu will get us first if it mutates I think could be wrong. Well no one knows we will have to wait and see. Phillipa
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 24, 2009, at 2:34:07
In reply to Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 23, 2009, at 19:10:02
hey bleauberry - sorry to be a nag - was still just curious because you said you had a DIY way of testing whether yeast/candida might be an issue? i'm seeing my GP next week, and would like to know beforehand whether i should propose the idea to him, so i can be adamant if the idea seems to hold some valency.
Posted by bleauberry on June 24, 2009, at 5:15:33
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 23, 2009, at 21:08:57
>
> Problem is bleauberry, I havn't met any doctor willing to test for the whole shebang of lyme, parasites, candida etc. Most doctors don't know about it and the rest don't give sh*t about it.You are correct. Very sad to say. A small minority are on top of this. Even for them, it is a challenge.
Tests are useless for the most part, except to add to the overall clinical picture. Diagnosis is primarily a clinical one, based on symptoms and history, performed by an experienced practitioner who knows what he sees when he sees it.
Example. Someone might take the Western Blot test for Lyme and show none of the many genetic bands of Lyme, and thus be declared negative. Yet, that same person improves dramatically when given an antibiotic. Then, after the antibiotic, the Western Blot now is showing genetic bands and the test is positive. The person was sick the whole time with Lyme. What the unskilled doctor didn't know was the Lyme is a master at hiding. But when some of it is killed, it can no longer hide. As the pieces of corpses are floating around, NOW the immune system and tests can see them.
It is tricky stuff.
The easiest test is to challenge oneself for a Herxheimer reaction.
Posted by bleauberry on June 24, 2009, at 5:23:15
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 24, 2009, at 2:34:07
> hey bleauberry - sorry to be a nag - was still just curious because you said you had a DIY way of testing whether yeast/candida might be an issue? i'm seeing my GP next week, and would like to know beforehand whether i should propose the idea to him, so i can be adamant if the idea seems to hold some valency.
The Herxheimer reaction is aweful. It is the sickly effects that occur when infectious organisms are dying in massive numbers. Existing symtpoms get worse. New symptoms might show up. It is usually bad headaches, joint and muscle aches, extreme fatigue and weakness, deeper depression.
But the Herx is also our friend. It tells us we are on the right track. If nothing is dying, there is no Herx. Take an antibiotic and no Herx, well, either you aren't infected or it is the wrong antibiotic for that infection.
Leading Lyme doctors in the country, when they suspect Lyme but don't have conclusive proof (there never is so don't expect it), they will start the patient on an antibiotic to see what happens. The antibiotic trial itself is the diagnostic tool. The one favored by good LLMDs is Tetracycline 500mg TID. It only takes a few days to see a severe Herx begin if there is going to be one.
Parasites. The challenge is with Black Walnut Hull, Wormwood, Cloves tincture...such as the tincture made by Dr. Clarkia.
Candida or yeast. Nystatin and/or Diflucan. As with any diagnostic challenge test, it is only taken for a short time to judge the response. The response is the diagnostic tool.
People can waste lots of time and money on tests that lead them down the wrong path. They are helpful, but not conclusive. A Herx is conclusive, and is fast, easy, and cheap.
Posted by odon on June 24, 2009, at 8:22:12
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 24, 2009, at 5:23:15
Question,if the Herx reaction is so bad,how can anyone expect to continue on the antibiotic.--In my case I took doxycycline for a few days,1st day was good,afterwards I felt terrible.I stopped taking it.--I don't know if this was a herx reaction or just me not tolerating the medication.--Yet I can take cipro with no problems.--I should say I do not even know if I have an infection.------On a seperate note I heard any full spectrum antibiotic is good for these types of infections,I was wondering if this is true.
Posted by bleauberry on June 24, 2009, at 15:24:26
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by odon on June 24, 2009, at 8:22:12
> Question,if the Herx reaction is so bad,how can anyone expect to continue on the antibiotic.--In my case I took doxycycline for a few days,1st day was good,afterwards I felt terrible.I stopped taking it.--I don't know if this was a herx reaction or just me not tolerating the medication.--Yet I can take cipro with no problems.--I should say I do not even know if I have an infection.------On a seperate note I heard any full spectrum antibiotic is good for these types of infections,I was wondering if this is true.
Those are excellent questions and I think we would need an experienced LLMD to answer them. What I do know is that the premiere infectious disease doctors in the country use Tetracycline and Doxycycline. I know someone in town with Lyme who is on Cipro and it has done absolutely nothing for them. No Herx and no improvement.
Your initial reaction to Doxy was actually picture perfect. In a positive diagnosis, that is what is expected to happen. The first day is really good, then it goes downhill real fast and real hard. The first day has something to do with Doxy preventing the organisms from manufacturing their toxins, and thus you feel great. From that point on, you are overwhelmed by the toxins of their dying selves.
While things like Activated Charcoal can help a little bit by absorbing some of this gunk before it gets recirculated, the only real way to manage the Herx is to lower the dose to a tolerable level. Then stay there until ready to go higher. It took me 2 weeks on 50mg Doxy before I could realistically go up to 100mg. On Tetracycline it took me 6 weeks at 500mg once every two days before I could even think about doing it every day. I did a lot of killing in that time though. Certainly not as much as a full dose, but better than no killing at all.
The controversial Marshall protocol is similar, in that it calls for dosing Minocycline at a mere 50mg once every two days for several months. That small dose weakens the organisms allowing your own immune system to gather strength against them. Without the Mino, the organisms are too strong for the immune system, or are hidden from it.
Certain antibiotics are specific to certain organisms. As my LLMD has shown me, the one with the broadest effect over a wide range of possible organisms is Tetracycline. Doxy is also good, but its longterm effects do not seem to be as complete or longlasting as Tetra.
Most of the above info on Tetra is from nationally acclaimed professor of infectious disease at Boston General, Dr Sam Donta. As well as my own doctor. And my own experience.
Posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2009, at 20:18:21
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 24, 2009, at 15:24:26
Marshall protocol according to my google search was for hormones got a link for lymes and this info? Phillipa
Posted by johnj1 on June 24, 2009, at 20:57:16
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 24, 2009, at 15:24:26
I started getting worse after pneumonia which they figured I got on the plane coming home from asia.
I have been better OFF of drugs so now I am making cultured vegetables, making my own yogurt, and other natural fermented stuff. I feel probiotics and other foods will help me, but it will take time.
Posted by manic666 on June 29, 2009, at 12:28:17
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses » bleauberry, posted by johnj1 on June 24, 2009, at 20:57:16
i no a guy who thought he had cancer an every illness after a holiday in dominican r,he saw every doc going an lost all body weight near on, he was suicidal.he was sent to the top nuro hospital for tropical disiese, an they found a blood coulored mycrobe the size of a pinhead,he was given it in a meds tube as a reminder, an it still haunts him but he wont trash the tube.he said the little baststard means the ultimate evil to him
Posted by Fred23 on October 18, 2009, at 18:18:46
In reply to Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 23, 2009, at 19:10:02
The Paul Ewald quoted has a 2000 book out titled "Plague Time: How Stealth Infections Cause Cancer, Heart Disease, and Other Deadly Ailments" that goes into all this in great detail.
Book link:
http://www.amazon.com/Plague-Time-Stealth-Infections-Ailments/dp/0684869004
Posted by hopefullynow on October 24, 2009, at 1:11:21
In reply to Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by bleauberry on June 23, 2009, at 19:10:02
> Lyme and depression.
> Depression cured with antibiotics.
He spent two years in a blur of antipsychotic drugs, mental institutions, jails and suicide attempts. On a hunch, a doctor at a psychiatric hospital in New Jersey had Joe tested for Lyme disease. After an intensive course of antibiotics, Joe's improvement was dramatic and immediate. "I started to have this fog lift," he recalls. Still, he will probably have to be on psychotropic drugs for the rest of his life.That's what happening to me right now, i think.I'm in a course of antibiotics and to my surprise and thanks to Bleauberry that opened my eyes i'm experiencing an brutal Herxheimer reaction.No matter how hard will be, i'm decided to endure.Mild psychosis, bouts of deep depression, panic attacks, rage, fear, anhedonia all symptoms of my strange psychiatric condition labeled as TRD but 100% a lot worse.And i'm under treatment, Anafranil, Lithium, Carbamazepine and Klonopin.It's not some simple intolerance to antibiotics.Not to mention the nausea, i feel like i'm throwing up every second.Besides antibiotics, i'm following an yeast, candida, fungus and others bacteries hollistic tratment, awfull.Benign plants i'd say.For me, powerful reactions.The single positive reaction for now it's the brain fog lifting.Subtle, day by day better.
What's intriguing me and don't understand is if all bacteras and fungus, yeast, etc will be killed eventually for good and my problem resolved from this angle, like Joe's, the guy from the the study and assuming that my condition was caused from fungs, yeasts or Lyme (bitten 3 times 5-6 years ago), will i have to remain on AD's, moodstabilizers and so for the rest of my life?Those little bastards inside my body caused irreversible damages to my brain and neural system?Wondering...
Posted by Sigismund on October 28, 2009, at 17:07:08
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by hopefullynow on October 24, 2009, at 1:11:21
>bitten 3 times 5-6 years ago
I wonder if our ticks are like yours.
This is the tick season and I've already had 2.
They live in trees.
Posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2009, at 22:21:36
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by Sigismund on October 28, 2009, at 17:07:08
Sigi seriously this is true they all around the world carry infectious agents different ones differentt parts of the world. If you get a tic put in alchohol and bring it to the health dept for the tic to be tested for disease and you will be spared illness. True. Love PJ
Posted by hopefullynow on October 29, 2009, at 3:33:41
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses, posted by Sigismund on October 28, 2009, at 17:07:08
> I wonder if our ticks are like yours.Borellia is wide spead in Eastern and Central Europe, too.
> This is the tick season and I've already had 2.
> They live in trees.Are you planning to make some blood tests for Borellia and Babesia ?
Posted by floatingbridge on November 1, 2009, at 19:13:19
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesses » Sigismund, posted by hopefullynow on October 29, 2009, at 3:33:41
My western blot test came back negative. Tested for boretellai, too.
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Posted by hopefullynow on November 2, 2009, at 9:41:49
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesse » hopefullynow, posted by floatingbridge on November 1, 2009, at 19:13:19
> My western blot test came back negative. Tested for boretellai, too.
> fbI spoke witha doctor who gave me a set of these tests to make, to have a complete picture:
-ELISA Igg Borrelia
-ELISA Igm Borrelia
-Western Blot Igg Borelia
-Western Blot Igm Borrelia
Anybody knows about these tests?Is there another one for Lyme and/or Borelliosis ?Maybe Bleauberry could help?
Posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2009, at 18:42:58
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesse » floatingbridge, posted by hopefullynow on November 2, 2009, at 9:41:49
As far as I know that's it. The Western was all that was needed to confirm my chronic lymes hopefully gone now. Phillipa
Posted by hopefullynow on November 4, 2009, at 0:04:53
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesse » hopefullynow, posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2009, at 18:42:58
> As far as I know that's it. The Western was all that was needed
Thanks Phil, I'll check this one only for now.
> my chronic lymes hopefully gone now.
Hopefully about you, too :).Be Well.
I read about neuroboreliosis and it scared me to hell.What was the exact treatment did you follow? (antibiotics, antifungals, etc)And how many months, years did you follow?
regards
Posted by Phillipa on November 4, 2009, at 18:19:34
In reply to Re: Infectious Invaders Underlying Mental Illnesse » Phillipa, posted by hopefullynow on November 4, 2009, at 0:04:53
First short l0 day trial of doxycyclline. Thought gone. Then found and only 5 days rocephine IV in hospital then switched to biaxin long acting took for three months then off for three I think and done in two years. Although still test positive but titer can stay for a few years. What impressed me was the ANA went from 1:2800 and something down to 1:20. Phillipa
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