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Posted by LongRoad on June 7, 2009, at 19:07:59
I've recently weaned off of Pristiq and I am trying to address depression and inattentive type ADD using 5HTP, inositol and L-tyrosine.
I've noticed some difference with the tyrosine at around 3 grams a day, but I've read the effective dose can be up to 12. I'm still figuring out what will work for me... the one I've been taking is the one with b6 and C added. Being that the price difference is huge when you are taking high doses (and buying in bulk), my question is, does the b6 and C really make that much of a difference in absorption of Tyrosine?
Posted by Long Road on June 8, 2009, at 12:49:18
In reply to Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by LongRoad on June 7, 2009, at 19:07:59
Seriously, though - no one has an inkling?
Posted by bleauberry on June 8, 2009, at 16:57:21
In reply to Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by LongRoad on June 7, 2009, at 19:07:59
>Being that the price difference is huge when you are taking high doses (and buying in bulk), my question is, does the b6 and C really make that much of a difference in absorption of Tyrosine?
Well, that is beside the point. What matters is that our genetically controlled enzymes have prerecorded instructions on how much tyrosine to convert to this and that. Any extra is discarded or converted to other substances.
You don't see many success stories of 5htp or tyrosine. Once in a while on the net, or in a book some doctor wrote claiming it works on their patients (but reading the fine print says if it is more than mild depression you should see a doctor for medication).
People get short-term blips of improvement, or deterioration, from these isolated substances. Probably the most reliable thing is that 5htp can usually be counted on for deep sleep with vivid dreams.
Both have not had good clinican testing. In the ones that were done, way back in 1980's, both substances failed to improve even a single patient.
But, in a couple of those 1980s studies, the one supplement that did show some surprising results was DL-Phenylalanine. Might want to consider that one instead of tyrosine. Regardless, keep in mind, your body will limit how much it uses for the desired goal you have in mind.
All this of course assumes that the theory of low brain chemicals is accurate. It doesn't even touch on other topics such as receptor sensitivity, receptor damage, receptor density, other hidden as-of-yet undiagnosed conditions.
Posted by shasling on June 9, 2009, at 17:02:28
In reply to Re: Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by bleauberry on June 8, 2009, at 16:57:21
Its called amino acid therapy,where you take a single amino acid and since each one has a job,i.e carthnine fat loss,etc you mega dose that one.
First thing is when you mega dose its no long a natural therapy.Your body doesent handle massive amounts of a single amino by itself.
Second you must take it on a empty stomach,apart from any protein or it will bind to that protien and will not be a singled out supplement as you aim for.
Last amino acid is complicated,you have to cycle,if you dont you can very easly cause an imbalance in you amino acids period which will make u feel horrable.
Amino acid therapy,or stacking is done a lot with body builders who seperate the ones for fat loss and muscle building and usualy do a 4 day on then off routine.
Posted by Long Road on June 15, 2009, at 11:20:46
In reply to Re: Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by shasling on June 9, 2009, at 17:02:28
> Its called amino acid therapy,where you take a single amino acid and since each one has a job,i.e carthnine fat loss,etc you mega dose that one.
>
> First thing is when you mega dose its no long a natural therapy.Your body doesent handle massive amounts of a single amino by itself.
>
> Second you must take it on a empty stomach,apart from any protein or it will bind to that protien and will not be a singled out supplement as you aim for.
>
> Last amino acid is complicated,you have to cycle,if you dont you can very easly cause an imbalance in you amino acids period which will make u feel horrable.
>
> Amino acid therapy,or stacking is done a lot with body builders who seperate the ones for fat loss and muscle building and usualy do a 4 day on then off routine.And this answers whether or not you need to take vitamins B6 and C along with L-Tyrosine in order for it to be effective?
Posted by StarryEyed on June 19, 2009, at 18:28:01
In reply to Re: Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by Long Road on June 15, 2009, at 11:20:46
> > Its called amino acid therapy,where you take a single amino acid and since each one has a job,i.e carthnine fat loss,etc you mega dose that one.
> >
> > First thing is when you mega dose its no long a natural therapy.Your body doesent handle massive amounts of a single amino by itself.
> >
> > Second you must take it on a empty stomach,apart from any protein or it will bind to that protien and will not be a singled out supplement as you aim for.
> >
> > Last amino acid is complicated,you have to cycle,if you dont you can very easly cause an imbalance in you amino acids period which will make u feel horrable.
> >
> > Amino acid therapy,or stacking is done a lot with body builders who seperate the ones for fat loss and muscle building and usualy do a 4 day on then off routine.
>
> And this answers whether or not you need to take vitamins B6 and C along with L-Tyrosine in order for it to be effective?
>
>I believe you do need B6. In fact, I have read that you need several B vitamins with it so it is best to add a B complex. Specifically, I have seen reference to B6, however. I also saw something about C now that you mention it, but can't remember how it fit into the process. If the tyrosine helps, have you checked your thyroid? It seems tyrosine effects that too. I have read about success with DL-Phenylalanine as someone else mentioned and it is a precursor to tyrosine as I remember it. You also mentioned 5 HTP. From something I read, I believe that is an exception to the general meal rules and that you should take it with carbs.
Best I could do. You seemed to really want to hear from someone so I gave it a shot. If I were you, I would read up on everything I said here and see how it fits together. I remember it being a bit complicated. If you are going to try it, make sure you give it a proper trial. Otherwise, you won't know if it might work for you.
Good luck.
Posted by LongRoad on June 19, 2009, at 22:43:09
In reply to Re: Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by StarryEyed on June 19, 2009, at 18:28:01
> > > Its called amino acid therapy,where you take a single amino acid and since each one has a job,i.e carthnine fat loss,etc you mega dose that one.
> > >
> > > First thing is when you mega dose its no long a natural therapy.Your body doesent handle massive amounts of a single amino by itself.
> > >
> > > Second you must take it on a empty stomach,apart from any protein or it will bind to that protien and will not be a singled out supplement as you aim for.
> > >
> > > Last amino acid is complicated,you have to cycle,if you dont you can very easly cause an imbalance in you amino acids period which will make u feel horrable.
> > >
> > > Amino acid therapy,or stacking is done a lot with body builders who seperate the ones for fat loss and muscle building and usualy do a 4 day on then off routine.
> >
> > And this answers whether or not you need to take vitamins B6 and C along with L-Tyrosine in order for it to be effective?
> >
> >
>
> I believe you do need B6. In fact, I have read that you need several B vitamins with it so it is best to add a B complex. Specifically, I have seen reference to B6, however. I also saw something about C now that you mention it, but can't remember how it fit into the process. If the tyrosine helps, have you checked your thyroid? It seems tyrosine effects that too. I have read about success with DL-Phenylalanine as someone else mentioned and it is a precursor to tyrosine as I remember it. You also mentioned 5 HTP. From something I read, I believe that is an exception to the general meal rules and that you should take it with carbs.
>
> Best I could do. You seemed to really want to hear from someone so I gave it a shot. If I were you, I would read up on everything I said here and see how it fits together. I remember it being a bit complicated. If you are going to try it, make sure you give it a proper trial. Otherwise, you won't know if it might work for you.
>
> Good luck.Ok, thanks for your response. You're right, I was feeling desperate. Sorry for the sarcasm.
Posted by morganpmiller on June 21, 2009, at 0:10:27
In reply to Re: Specific l-tyrosine question, posted by LongRoad on June 19, 2009, at 22:43:09
Best form of B6, btw, is p5p.
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