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Posted by Ladyraven on May 5, 2009, at 21:09:32
Reuptake medications for neurotransmittors do not have neurotransmittors in them or contain such. It's not an ingredient like a recipe. To post that the aformentioned meds contain neurotransmitters as has been done here by a regular for years is misleading in my opinion.
Simply the wording used maybe but I offer not one excuse or apology for this pet peeve.
Posted by yxibow on May 6, 2009, at 1:05:38
In reply to Neurotransmiters, posted by Ladyraven on May 5, 2009, at 21:09:32
> Reuptake medications for neurotransmittors do not have neurotransmittors in them or contain such. It's not an ingredient like a recipe. To post that the aformentioned meds contain neurotransmitters as has been done here by a regular for years is misleading in my opinion.
>
> Simply the wording used maybe but I offer not one excuse or apology for this pet peeve.I'm lost but there's obviously something contained in this cryptic statement ?
I don't really recall seeing conversations here that claim medications contain transmitters ??? They're meant to regulate a transmitter. However there are medications that are similar to neurochemical transmitter compounds, such as Lyrica, Neurontin, and Phenibut, e.g.
Maybe this is an issue for the neurotransmitter board ?
-- Jay
Posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 11:17:43
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » Ladyraven, posted by yxibow on May 6, 2009, at 1:05:38
> I'm lost but there's obviously something contained in this cryptic statement ?
>Cryptic peppered with passive aggression also as I can't come right out and name names. One on one I have directly asked the question as to if there was a belief neurotranmitters were ingredients and received no response.
> I don't really recall seeing conversations here that claim medications contain transmitters ???
No big declarations stating "Neurotransmitters are IN meds" but this idea of meds containing the actual neurotranmitter has, as well as is still, part of some writings. I would say 99% of 100% don't but I wonder what is the understand of the 1%? A better question may be why do I care except for I would like to see the most rudimentary concepts be presented in a truthful manner.
> Maybe this is an issue for the neurotransmitter board ?
>Maybe, but this board is where I see it written.
My thanks to you for noticing and taking the time to resond.
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 12:18:34
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » yxibow, posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 11:17:43
I don't get your thread sorry could you perhaps explain a bit more throughly. If you're like me and not suggesting you are you might also not understand neurotransmitters I sure don't Phillipa
Posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 16:31:07
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » Ladyraven, posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 12:18:34
> I don't get your thread sorry could you perhaps explain a bit more throughly. If you're like me and not suggesting you are you might also not understand neurotransmitters I sure don't Phillipa
This thread isn't about understanding neurotransmitters.
My grouchy writing is about a basic concept of neuroactive meds such as SSRIs, SNRIs and others not containing neurotransmitters as part of their chemical makeup. To say, just as an example, "Fluoxetine has serotonin <in> it" is inaccurate. To say "Fluoxetine effects serotonin" would be in line with a basic understanding of the actions of the drug as they are presented.
As far as serotonin, it's also inaccurate to believe bodies have an overall serotonin defiency and require some added volume of the chemical. Its a problem of the chemical being where it needs to be not that a volume of it is lacking and a body needs supplementing of its own supply. But thats as far as Im going with that subject.
Posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 16:47:45
In reply to Neurotransmiters, posted by Ladyraven on May 5, 2009, at 21:09:32
Are you saying there's actually no dopamine in the dextroamphetamine I've been taking???????
Posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 17:54:32
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters, posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 16:47:45
> Are you saying there's actually no dopamine in the dextroamphetamine I've been taking???????
As far as I can tell from looking at the med's chemical composition, No. Now, when the discussion goes to what effect the chemicals that <are> part of the drug's composition and the <effect> they may have, that's another story.
Posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 18:28:53
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » garnet71, posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 17:54:32
And to think all this time I was wondering how they fit all that dopamine into those tiny little pills...did you ever see how small 10 mg of dextroamphetamine is in pill form?
Posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 18:42:13
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters, posted by garnet71 on May 6, 2009, at 18:28:53
> And to think all this time I was wondering how they fit all that dopamine into those tiny little pills...did you ever see how small 10 mg of dextroamphetamine is in pill form?
Nope, but does it work for you?
I take a tiny pill that's great and it doesn't have a smidge of a neurotransmitter IN it. :)
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 20:17:14
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » garnet71, posted by Ladyraven on May 6, 2009, at 18:42:13
Well I'm curious also nosey what is this pill? Phillipa
Posted by raisinb on May 6, 2009, at 21:16:08
In reply to Neurotransmiters, posted by Ladyraven on May 5, 2009, at 21:09:32
It's always been my understanding that reuptake inhibitors don't contain neurotransmitters, nor do they make the body manufacture more. They just let your synapses "soak" longer in the serotonin or dopamine you do make (I think I'm quoting crazymeds here).
Posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 21:37:44
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » Ladyraven, posted by raisinb on May 6, 2009, at 21:16:08
Same as I was taught when working in psych and had videos on it showed the patients and we discussed. Love Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on May 7, 2009, at 4:42:35
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » Ladyraven, posted by raisinb on May 6, 2009, at 21:16:08
Well, there is a slight exception to this, of course it is considered a "dietary supplement", but actually it was on the list of things that a consult had left, although I was already taking it, and that's l-tryptophan. Put in the pathway in the body, and it will turn into the transmitter serotonin. The same is also possible with the midpath, 5-HTP.
It is possible that some people may be slightly deficient in tryptophan although I'm not sure that's entirely evidential.People may think of turkey, which certainly has it, but there is plenty in vegetable sources as well.
On the other hand, GABA will do just about nothing for your body, while modified GABA structures such as Neurontin and Lyrica can pass trhough the blood-brain barrier.
Some also purport "Phenibut" to do this.
Can't say it did anything for me on a small test dose, but who knows. If it does anything it is more GABA-b related than GABA-a, from what I've read, which would be more like baclofen.
-- Jay
Posted by Ladyraven on May 7, 2009, at 6:47:54
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » raisinb, posted by Phillipa on May 6, 2009, at 21:37:44
> Same as I was taught when working in psych and had videos on it showed the patients and we discussed. Love Phillipa
Ok, brass tacks time.
Why do you write (and I've read it many times in your posts) that certain meds have neurotransmitters in them or contain them? If your understanding is as RB stated as also is my understanding why do you state as if an ingredient?
I'm seeking to understand as to why you do that.
Posted by Phillipa on May 7, 2009, at 20:10:34
In reply to Re: Neurotransmiters » Phillipa, posted by Ladyraven on May 7, 2009, at 6:47:54
Example would be needed. So many posts. Phillipa
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