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Posted by tepi on February 13, 2009, at 0:18:04
I have been 7 days off meds. I stop taking them because I was having very bad days . I have found that sating off meds help me to feel good an normal at leat for a while,
Seems that tha while is done. Its midnight here and Im stating to feel depressive
Should I restart them again or maybe the goog effect can return?
Also Im thinking in doing this more frecuently.. seiously Im thinking of treating myself by this way, at least I have some real normal daysBy the way my med is Nardil and Xanax
What do you think?
Posted by SLS on February 13, 2009, at 6:57:25
In reply to Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 13, 2009, at 0:18:04
> What do you think?
I think going on and off the same drugs so frequently might make you less responsive to drugs in general. This has been my experience. Perhaps this is the time to try something new - like Parnate. For me, Parnate has less potential to poop-out than Nardil does. Since you seem to be an MAOI responder, this might be worth a try.
I think you should be a little more patient with your illness. I know the temptation is to do anything and everything possible at the slightest worsening. You need to give things time for the brain to find its balance. You have to practice feeling bad and not reacting impulsively with medications. The more tolerant of the depression you become, the better are your chances of finding a treatment that will work long-term. You really need to learn how to be patient.
Just a hint: Most times, the acute relapse feels worse than where things end up once things get settled. In other words, the depression is worse than usual immediately after relapse. This worsened state might last for a few days, but is something you might be able to tolerate if you know that it is only temporary. This will give you more time to consider strategies of how to next treat the depression.
Easier said than done, I know. I have had to do it numerous times.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2009, at 10:14:01
In reply to Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 13, 2009, at 0:18:04
Tepi how many years now have you been on the nardil? I know it's been quite a while. Scott has good suggesions for you do you think you will get a pdoc? Scott is extremely well versed in meds. Love Phillipa
Posted by Sigismund on February 13, 2009, at 15:56:12
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by SLS on February 13, 2009, at 6:57:25
>You have to practice feeling bad and not reacting impulsively with medications. The more tolerant of the depression you become, the better are your chances of finding a treatment that will work long-term. You really need to learn how to be patient.
I'm impressed.
Posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 18:18:39
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by SLS on February 13, 2009, at 6:57:25
Scott,
I don't want to start a thread on parnate lest I be tied up and, well, treated as the "witches" were. Could you find it in your heart to answer one more post on Tepi's other thread? The older one? Thanks
~Jade
PS-I mean you did kinda get me into this mess ;-)
Posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 18:33:41
In reply to Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 13, 2009, at 0:18:04
>
> I have been 7 days off meds. I stop taking them because I was having very bad days . I have found that sating off meds help me to feel good an normal at leat for a while,
> Seems that tha while is done. Its midnight here and Im stating to feel depressive
> Should I restart them again or maybe the goog effect can return?
> Also Im thinking in doing this more frecuently.. seiously Im thinking of treating myself by this way, at least I have some real normal days
>
> By the way my med is Nardil and Xanax
>
> What do you think?Tepi,
Do you have a good PDoc to guide you? I don't think thats been made clear and in my mind its the most important thing. We may think we know what is right, and often we are, but a good PDoc could do somthing as change dosages and your meds have a whole new effect. Thats what happened to me. Please don't try to to this on your own. Get the BEST PDoc you can and give him all your records.
This fooling around with your meds scares me. It may feel good now but what about later? Think about being well for the long run. Get that PDoc and follow his instructions to a tee. If there is a problem let him know. He should be willing to guide you. And Scott is right, on some meds it gets worse before it gets better, and the early side effects go away as your body adapts. But that can take a while. It took me almost 3 months to respond to my med and boy did I.You have to learn to be a "patient patient" (I thought of that myself, but its so true)haha
Good luck Tepi, I hope you give alot of thought to our posts ;-)
~Jade
Posted by tepi on February 15, 2009, at 1:38:21
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by SLS on February 13, 2009, at 6:57:25
> > What do you think?
>
> I think going on and off the same drugs so frequently might make you less responsive to drugs in general. This has been my experience.
>Why do you think that Scott?, any particular ideas besides your own experience?
>
Perhaps this is the time to try something new - like Parnate. For me, Parnate has less potential to poop-out than Nardil does. Since you seem to be an MAOI responder, this might be worth a try.
>
Yes , it has been on my mind , It would be fair right?> I think you should be a little more patient with your illness. I know the temptation is to do anything and everything possible at the slightest worsening. You need to give things time for the brain to find its balance. You have to practice feeling bad and not reacting impulsively with medications. The more tolerant of the depression you become, the better are your chances of finding a treatment that will work long-term. You really need to learn how to be patient.
>
I wish I could , I have been many years like this
Maybe I have improved just a little on that matter ,it is just that sometimes I got very desperate
> Just a hint: Most times, the acute rel
apse feels worse than where things end up once things get settled. In other words, the depression is worse than usual immediately after relapse. This worsened state might last for a few days, but is something you might be able to tolerate if you know that it is only temporary. This will give you more time to consider strategies of how to next treat the depression.
>
> Easier said than done, I know. I have had to do it numerous times.
>
>
> - Scott
>
>Ey I did not return to my meds , I was bad and the the next day wast just a little better or at least not that bad . Im still off meds
Thanks for writting Scott
Posted by tepi on February 15, 2009, at 1:44:55
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2009, at 10:14:01
> Tepi how many years now have you been on the nardil? I know it's been quite a while. Scott has good suggesions for you do you think you will get a pdoc? Scott is extremely well versed in meds. Love Phillipa
Hi Phillipa , I have been 6 years on it.
I dont know where to get a Doc , I mean I know but not a Doctor with MAOI experience. these meds are not used here anymore , so docs dont know them
They only use SSRIS and the other stuff
Posted by tepi on February 15, 2009, at 2:11:16
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by JadeKelly on February 14, 2009, at 18:33:41
> >
> > I have been 7 days off meds. I stop taking them because I was having very bad days . I have found that sating off meds help me to feel good an normal at leat for a while,
> > Seems that tha while is done. Its midnight here and Im stating to feel depressive
> > Should I restart them again or maybe the goog effect can return?
> > Also Im thinking in doing this more frecuently.. seiously Im thinking of treating myself by this way, at least I have some real normal days
> >
> > By the way my med is Nardil and Xanax
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Tepi,
>
> Do you have a good PDoc to guide you?No Jade , no PDoc with me now.
I have seen so much of them , I think I got allergic to them . Some made very dumbs things
with me (long list ) . I remember one that
hit me in one session . It was not a big deal , she got desperated and then suddenly she hit me on my arm , it didn`t hurt actually, it was not in an agressive way .She apologized with me and I said I was ok. Not that bad as you can be imaging
Anyhow this is rare andHow much does a PDoc session cost in USA . Im kind of close to Texas , but maybe I could go only 1 time per month ,it depends how much I could afford .I would have to make a cost-benefit evaluation
>
> This fooling around with your meds scares me. It may feel good now but what about later? Think about being well for the long run. Get that PDoc and follow his instructions to a tee. If there is a problem let him know. He should be willing to guide you. And Scott is right, on some meds it gets worse before it gets better, and the early side effects go away as your body adapts. But that can take a while. It took me almost 3 months to respond to my med and boy did I.
>
What med are you on Jane ?>
You have to learn to be a "patient patient" (I thought of that myself, but its so true)haha
>
> Good luck Tepi, I hope you give alot of thought to our posts ;-)
>Yes of course I give a lot of thoughts to all your posts . I really appreciatte you take your time to say hello and give some advice to an unknow person
I dont like to post too much now , because I dont want to discourage other people who are struggling
too> ~Jade
God Bless you guys
Posted by SLS on February 15, 2009, at 6:43:44
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » SLS, posted by tepi on February 15, 2009, at 1:38:21
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > I think going on and off the same drugs so frequently might make you less responsive to drugs in general. This has been my experience.> Why do you think that Scott?, any particular ideas besides your own experience?
I was told by one research team not to "pulse" antidepressants. This is particularly true of using the same one over and over. Another invesigative physician told me to stay as clean as possible. If there were nothing new to try, to avoid taking anything at all.
> > Perhaps this is the time to try something new - like Parnate. For me, Parnate has less potential to poop-out than Nardil does. Since you seem to be an MAOI responder, this might be worth a try.
> Yes , it has been on my mind , It would be fair right?
> Ey I did not return to my meds , I was bad and the the next day wast just a little better or at least not that bad . Im still off medsI am very glad you are not acting impulsively, as hard as I know that is. Not only will you give yourself more time to decide on new treatment strategies, you will find yourself giving each new treatment more time to work.
I may be wrong, but I have often thought that Nardil poops-out considerably more often than Parnate, even before coming to this website.
- Scott
Posted by 49er on February 15, 2009, at 8:37:05
In reply to Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 13, 2009, at 0:18:04
>
> I have been 7 days off meds. I stop taking them because I was having very bad days . I have found that sating off meds help me to feel good an normal at leat for a while,
> Seems that tha while is done. Its midnight here and Im stating to feel depressive
> Should I restart them again or maybe the goog effect can return?
> Also Im thinking in doing this more frecuently.. seiously Im thinking of treating myself by this way, at least I have some real normal days
>
> By the way my med is Nardil and Xanax
>
> What do you think?Hi,
What you experiencing is withdrawal and it is probably even more magnified if you tapered too quickly or cold turkeyed the meds.
Even many (not all) psychiatrist who erroneously think that withdrawal lasts only two weeks would call this what you are experiencing.
It depends on what you want to do. If you want to taper off the meds, I would slowly resinstate the doses. It might take trial and error to see what would work.
Then I would taper very slowly at 10% of the current dose every 3 to 6 weeks.
If you want to go back on meds, obviously, that is your choice. But please don't mistake withdrawal as a relapse. It isn't and sadly too many people make this mistake.
49er
Posted by JadeKelly on February 15, 2009, at 15:49:34
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by 49er on February 15, 2009, at 8:37:05
Tepi,
I don't know how things are done there, it may be different, but in the states under no circumstances would a pDoc "hit you". Under any conditions unless they wanted to lose their Licence to be a PDoc.
A Pdoc in the states (USA), can cost varying amounts. Are you a Mexican citizen, but can travel back and forth to Texas? I was trying to think if there are any programs here that you'd qualify for.
My last PDOc who was not good for me charged $90 for 15 minutes. My new one who is excellent is $120 per 30 minutes. You can probably find one for less, or more, depending where you are. In
addition if you are only coming over once a month, maybe you could see him for a longer time.One other option, the one I vote for, forget about money for a minute and find the one you want. One who has lots of experience with Nardil and augments (and other MAOI's). Schedule an appointnment, sometimes you have
to pay a consultation fee first, if you can't just explain that you still want to come in once. Tell the PDoc you are desperate for help. He will
hopefully see that you are young and need it, or, he can refer you to someone who can. Tell him what you can afford.I wouldn't waste time with any PDoc who won't augment an MAOI, or worse, will but doesn't know what he's doing. Especially Nardil since that seems the one that benefits you the most.
I take Parnate, and Ritalin. But I have a VERY careful PDoc, and I have taken Ritalin before for ADD for many years in small dose. I was on Parnate almost 3 months before I felt any benefit. My first PDoc left me on very low dose for a long time before I reminded him it was time to go up. I think that was wasted time.
Any way, I went thru some very unpleasant side effects during that time, Tepi, I'm surprized I made it. It was Scott who said you have to be a
"Patient patient", and its so true. It releaved me of all the stress of trying to figure every thing out all the time. You have to find the right PDoc, stay with him, agree to a med plan and then be patient, even thru hard times. And there may be some. Stick with it. One thing I did was make that change in PDocs.You don't post too much Tepi, those are the people whu need to post! The ones struggling. I did. And I made it thru with a lot of help from people here.
Keep us posted!
~jade
Posted by tepi on February 18, 2009, at 0:30:52
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now?, posted by JadeKelly on February 15, 2009, at 15:49:34
> Tepi,
>
> I don't know how things are done there, it may be different, but in the states under no circumstances would a pDoc "hit you". Under any conditions unless they wanted to lose their Licence to be a PDoc.
>Its the same here , but law is not as rigorous as it is there. Anyway it was nothing big. I was 17 those days , she apologized and I said it was ok
I was more worried about neuroleptics in that time
than facing any person .I could tell more but is not important now . It was just an example
>
> A Pdoc in the states (USA), can cost varying amounts. Are you a Mexican citizen, but can travel back and forth to Texas? I was trying to think if there are any programs here that you'd qualify for.
>
Yes , I would be traveling to Texas if this is possible . The closest city is Mcallen , Laredo and all the zone in the border. San Antonio is also not than far, I used to go there to visit my exgirlfriend , but I suppose is more expensinve
alsho the traveling costs.
Do you think I could qualify for any progam over there even if Im not an American citizen ? Im getting my italian citizen too ( its going very slow though) , would that help some way?> My last PDOc who was not good for me charged $90 for 15 minutes. My new one who is excellent is $120 per 30 minutes. You can probably find one for less, or more, depending where you are. In
> addition if you are only coming over once a month, maybe you could see him for a longer time.
>30 minutes - $120 , lets say an hour $200 ?
wow, it is expensive, considering I earn money in pesos
I would spent like $400 dolars by travel
> One other option, the one I vote for, forget about money for a minute and find the one you want. One who has lots of experience with Nardil and augments (and other MAOI's). Schedule an appointnment, sometimes you have
>
> to pay a consultation fee first, if you can't just explain that you still want to come in once. Tell the PDoc you are desperate for help. He will
> hopefully see that you are young and need it, or, he can refer you to someone who can. Tell him what you can afford.
>But do you mean finding someone here ? Or you continue talking about a Pdoc there Jade ?
I have seen a couple of the most recognized PDoc here , they just simply dont use MAOIS , its scaring for them , . Some let me keep on it , but does not make any change or add anything, they just said , go on in this way and things will improve. I couldn`t afford paying them
> I wouldn't waste time with any PDoc who won't augment an MAOI, or worse, will but doesn't know what he's doing. Especially Nardil since that seems the one that benefits you the most.
>
> I take Parnate, and Ritalin. But I have a VERY careful PDoc, and I have taken Ritalin before for ADD for many years in small dose. I was on Parnate almost 3 months before I felt any benefit. My first PDoc left me on very low dose for a long time before I reminded him it was time to go up. I think that was wasted time.
>How much Parnate are you Taking Jade ? Any sign of HP crysis with the ritalin ?
> Any way, I went thru some very unpleasant side effects during that time, Tepi, I'm surprized I made it. It was Scott who said you have to be a
> "Patient patient", and its so true. It releaved me of all the stress of trying to figure every thing out all the time. You have to find the right PDoc, stay with him, agree to a med plan and then be patient, even thru hard times. And there may be some. Stick with it. One thing I did was make that change in PDocs.
>Yes , I will try to do this. It is difficult but
I have no other choice rihgt> You don't post too much Tepi, those are the people whu need to post! The ones struggling. I did. And I made it thru with a lot of help from people here.
>ok , maybe it is also my disease that I think that people its gonna get upset or think
here he goes again , another complaining thread
from Tepi.> Keep us posted!
>
> ~jadeThank you Jade , . Please if you could help me about the programs you mention or more info about cost of the Doc there , that would help me a lot
Tepi
Posted by tepi on February 18, 2009, at 0:32:23
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by SLS on February 15, 2009, at 6:43:44
Scott how much parnate you use ?
Posted by SLS on February 18, 2009, at 6:02:53
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » SLS, posted by tepi on February 18, 2009, at 0:32:23
>
>
> Scott how much parnate you use ?Currently, I'm taking 80mg.
In the past, I have gone as high as 150mg. This "high-dosage Parnate strategy" does feel different somehow. Studies show that high dosage Parnate produces changes in receptors that do not occur at lower dosages. I discontinued it because the benefits were not robust enough to justify staying on the drug. At one time, I took Parnate 120mg + desipramine 200mg + d-amphetamine 20mg + T4.
Currently:
Parnate 80mg
desipramine 250mg
Lamictal 200mg
Abilify 20mg
- Scott
Posted by JadeKelly on February 18, 2009, at 11:02:40
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 18, 2009, at 0:30:52
Hi Tepi,
The programs I'm finding on line (I read thru a few) are for people who have no money. They almost certainly are not going to treat with the kind of medications you are looking for. But if you have some time, do a search for Mexican USA Programs or Psychiatric Programs and see if any thing looks good. Also do a search for Mexican Psychiatric Services Texas. See what comes up.Ask questions if you find anything, big one: Do you prescribe Maoi's, do you augment (add) wit other meds?
Tepi,Do you know anyone in Texas that could help you?
Can you legally go back and forth?
I'm going to just check for some reputable Psychiatrists in the 3 areas closest to you, I'll make some calls and get some costs for you, Okay?
Whats the most you can afford?
How long does it take you to get to the closest city?
Do you have a current Diagnosis?
Do you have your records? Meds list?
What city do you live in?
Is your English good enough to call and explain everything? And set up an appt.? Does someone in your family speak good English? Let me know
what you want to do. If not, we'll work it out.If I'm not mistaken, you are looking for a PDoc that will prescribe MAOI's, hopefully Parnate, and will augment (add) other meds to that depending on how you do. Right?
>
I don't know if its possible for you to legally go back and forth to Texas, is it? Do you just need a reason? Or can you just go. Can you get there? Car or bus?
> >
>
>
>Yes , I would be traveling to Texas if this is possible . The closest city is Mcallen , Laredo and all the zone in the border. San Antonio is also not than far, I used to go there to visit my exgirlfriend , but I suppose is more expensinve
> alsho the traveling costs.What are the 3 closest cities/towns for traveling costs and for you to get to? Would that still be Mcallen, Laredo, and San Antonio?
>
>
> Do you think I could qualify for any progam over there even if Im not an American citizen ? Im getting my italian citizen too ( its going very slow though) , would that help some way?No, it looks like you are better off with a private psychiatrist. A good one.
30 minutes - $120 , lets say an hour $200 ?
> wow, it is expensive, considering I earn money in pesos (I'm going to check this out.)> I would spent like $400 dolars by travel
Why so much for travel? I flew to Mexico for that.
You are at least 18years old, right?
> >
> But do you mean finding someone here ? Or you continue talking about a Pdoc there Jade ?
I mean finding someone in Texas for you, Tepi
>
> I have seen a couple of the most recognized PDoc here , they just simply dont use MAOIS , its scaring for them , . Some let me keep on it , but does not make any change or add anything, they just said , go on in this way and things will improve. I couldn`t afford paying them
>
> >How much Parnate are you Taking Jade ? Any sign of HP crysis with the ritalin ? Never with ritalin. In fact it helps keep my BP from being too low, but thats just me, Tepi.Now I take 80mg Parnate, and 40mg Ritalin.
I get low BP whenever I go up in dose but thats it. (No HP crisis) Then it passes.
In the very beginning I did but I think I took a med with it I shouldn't have. Its never happened since.
> >
Yes , I will try to do this. It is difficult but
> I have no other choice rihgtNot that I see! You need to get well!!
>> >
Answer those questions and I'll start looking!~jade
>
Posted by tepi on February 19, 2009, at 0:01:08
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by JadeKelly on February 18, 2009, at 11:02:40
> Hi Tepi,
>
> The programs I'm finding on line (I read thru a few) are for people who have no money.
>Great Jade!
>
They almost certainly are not going to treat with the kind of medications you are looking for.
>mmm why? because of money?
>
But if you have some time, do a search for Mexican USA Programs or Psychiatric Programs and see if any thing looks good. Also do a search for Mexican Psychiatric Services Texas. See what comes up.Ask questions if you find anything, big one: Do you prescribe Maoi's, do you augment (add) wit other meds?
>Are all these examples like programs between Mexico and Texas ?
>
> Tepi,
>
> Do you know anyone in Texas that could help you?
>Only my exgirlfriend that live in Houston ,but I would not dare to look at her in this moment , she is with another man now .its starting a new relationship and we are avoiding each other in the last months..
> Can you legally go back and forth?
Yes , no problem with that, I have all the documents , and I used to go USA in the past very frecuently
>
> I'm going to just check for some reputable Psychiatrists in the 3 areas closest to you, I'll make some calls and get some costs for you, Okay?
>Wow, would you really do that for me Jade ? I suppose you are talking about Laredo , Mcallen , mmm ST Antonio, Brownsville
> Whats the most you can afford?
>mmmm , maybe around 80 dls per session and that may be high yet . I will have to check how often I would be travelling.. but dont worry I will try to find a way to cover it if its not cheap Jade
> How long does it take you to get to the closest city?
>
3 hours> Do you have a current Diagnosis?
>Not official , no Doc has been able to give me one
The one that know me since everything started , like 14 years ago , says Schizhoafective disorder
-depressive type- . However he also mentioned that after 40 years of being a PDoc , he has never seen any other case or patient with
all these symptoms , and he is really old
That was tough =(> Do you have your records? Meds list?
>
I can write down a list of all the meds I have tried and the time I have used them> What city do you live in?
Monterrey , North of Mexico . and you?
>
> Is your English good enough to call and explain everything? And set up an appt.? Does someone in your family speak good English? Let me know
> what you want to do. If not, we'll work it out.
>Well yes , I dont speak 100% english but I think that would not be a problem for me. Maybe I would not be able to explain it as well as in spanish but I believe I can do it
> If I'm not mistaken, you are looking for a PDoc that will prescribe MAOI's, hopefully Parnate, and will augment (add) other meds to that depending on how you do. Right?
> >Yes Jade , Parnate , Nardil , all MAOIS +
augments> I don't know if its possible for you to legally go back and forth to Texas, is it? Do you just need a reason? Or can you just go. Can you get there? Car or bus?
> > >Yes I can go there I can tell Im going of shopping
but that would be only for the cities in the border,If I need to go deeper e.g. San Antonio I need an special permission that they give me in the intl brigde . I need to give them and addres where Im going to arrive. They never ask that to me dont know why , I guess it depends on the people who is giving these papers, some are very strict others not
I can go either on car or bus , that is something I will have to evaluate in the cost analysis> >
>
> What are the 3 closest cities/towns for traveling costs and for you to get to? Would that still be Mcallen, Laredo, and San Antonio?Mcallen , Laredo , Brownsville , I dont know other big city in the border. San Antonio is a little more far but only 2 hrs. I would make like
5 hrs in car , 8 in bus to ST Anotnio
> >> > Do you think I could qualify for any progam over there even if Im not an American citizen ? Im getting my italian citizen too ( its going very slow though) , would that help some way?
>
> No, it looks like you are better off with a private psychiatrist. A good one.
>
>
> 30 minutes - $120 , lets say an hour $200 ?
> > wow, it is expensive, considering I earn money in pesos (I'm going to check this out.)
>
> > I would spent like $400 dolars by travel
>
> Why so much for travel? I flew to Mexico for that.$400 , including PDoc , gasoline , highways , meals.. its an aprox (counting 200 dls in the PDoc )
>
> You are at least 18years old, right?Yes , Im 10 years older. Im 28 Jade
> > >
> > But do you mean finding someone here ? Or you continue talking about a Pdoc there Jade ?
> I mean finding someone in Texas for you, Tepi
> >
> > I have seen a couple of the most recognized PDoc here , they just simply dont use MAOIS , its scaring for them , . Some let me keep on it , but does not make any change or add anything, they just said , go on in this way and things will improve. I couldn`t afford paying them
> >
> > >How much Parnate are you Taking Jade ? Any sign of HP crysis with the ritalin ? Never with ritalin. In fact it helps keep my BP from being too low, but thats just me, Tepi.
>
> Now I take 80mg Parnate, and 40mg Ritalin.
>
> I get low BP whenever I go up in dose but thats it. (No HP crisis) Then it passes.
>can I ask you how old are you?
> In the very beginning I did but I think I took a med with it I shouldn't have. Its never happened since.
>Same for me , I had only one HP in the beggining . I ate an spoiled chicken . It tasted good however =) ( The chicken , not the HP )
> > >
> Yes , I will try to do this. It is difficult but
> > I have no other choice rihgt
>
> Not that I see! You need to get well!!
> >> >
> Answer those questions and I'll start looking!
>
> ~jade
> >I appreciate what you are doing for me Jade.
Thank yo very much for this thing that you are attempting to makeAre you a mother with childs or something like that?
Posted by softheprairie on February 19, 2009, at 6:44:50
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 19, 2009, at 0:01:08
Tepi,
What about contacting faculty of medical schools in Mexico and asking if they can recommend doctors who are willing to prescribe MAOIs and augmenters? This might save you some money. Then try the US if it doesn't work?
Posted by desolationrower on February 20, 2009, at 2:09:06
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now?, posted by softheprairie on February 19, 2009, at 6:44:50
hey tepi babblemail me?
-d/r
Posted by JadeKelly on February 20, 2009, at 11:17:47
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now?, posted by tepi on February 19, 2009, at 0:01:08
> > Hi Tepi, (again ;-)
> >
> > The programs I'm finding on line (I read thru a few) are for people who have no money.
> >
>
> Great Jade!
>
> >
> They almost certainly are not going to treat with the kind of medications you are looking for.
> >
>
> mmm why? because of money? Yeah, from what I'm seeing, they are for basic stuff. You would get any farther that with other PDoc's. You could probably get inexpensive meds, but not MAOI's with various augments.
>
>
>
> >
> But if you have some time, do a search for Mexican USA Programs or Psychiatric Programs and see if any thing looks good. Also do a search for Mexican Psychiatric Services Texas. See what comes up.Ask questions if you find anything, big one: Do you prescribe Maoi's, do you augment (add) wit other meds?
Any luck??
> >
>
> Are all these examples like programs between Mexico and Texas ? Not all, but most, that was what I was searching for, Programs sponsored by US with Mexico.
>
>
> >
> > Tepi,
> >
> > Do you know anyone in Texas that could help you?
> >
>
> Only my exgirlfriend that live in Houston ,but I would not dare to look at her in this moment , she is with another man now .its starting a new relationship and we are avoiding each other in the last months..
>
>Thats okay, we don't need anybody.
>
> > Can you legally go back and forth?
>
> Yes , no problem with that, I have all the documents , and I used to go USA in the past very frecuentlyGreat!
>
>
> >
> > I'm going to just check for some reputable Psychiatrists in the 3 areas closest to you, I'll make some calls and get some costs for you, Okay?
> >
>
> Wow, would you really do that for me Jade ? I suppose you are talking about Laredo , Mcallen , mmm ST Antonio, Brownsville
Okay, we'll start with those!
>
> > Whats the most you can afford?
> >
>
> mmmm , maybe around 80 dls per session and that may be high yet . I will have to check how often I would be travelling.. but dont worry I will try to find a way to cover it if its not cheap Jade
>
> > How long does it take you to get to the closest city?
> >
> 3 hours
>
> > Do you have a current Diagnosis?
> >
>
> Not official , no Doc has been able to give me one
> The one that know me since everything started , like 14 years ago , says Schizhoafective disorder
> -depressive type- . However he also mentioned that after 40 years of being a PDoc , he has never seen any other case or patient with
> all these symptoms , and he is really old
> That was tough =(Are you currently on good terms with this PDoc? Is he well known?
>
> > Do you have your records? Meds list?
> >
> I can write down a list of all the meds I have tried and the time I have used them
>
> > What city do you live in?
>
> Monterrey , North of Mexico . and you?I live on the east coast, I love the weather along your west coast!
>
> >
> > Is your English good enough to call and explain everything? And set up an appt.? Does someone in your family speak good English? Let me know
> > what you want to do. If not, we'll work it out. I can set the appt up if I find someone good, but we'll have to be really careful about the details, okay?
> >
>
> Well yes , I dont speak 100% english but I think that would not be a problem for me. Maybe I would not be able to explain it as well as in spanish but I believe I can do it
>
> > If I'm not mistaken, you are looking for a PDoc that will prescribe MAOI's, hopefully Parnate, and will augment (add) other meds to that depending on how you do. Right?
> > >
>
> Yes Jade , Parnate , Nardil , all MAOIS +
> augments
>
> > I don't know if its possible for you to legally go back and forth to Texas, is it? Do you just need a reason? Or can you just go. Can you get there? Car or bus?
> > > >
>
> Yes I can go there I can tell Im going of shopping
> but that would be only for the cities in the border,If I need to go deeper e.g. San Antonio I need an special permission that they give me in the intl brigde . I need to give them and addres where Im going to arrive. They never ask that to me dont know why , I guess it depends on the people who is giving these papers, some are very strict others not
> I can go either on car or bus , that is something I will have to evaluate in the cost analysis
>
> > >
Okay, sounds good
> >
>
> Mcallen , Laredo , Brownsville , I dont know other big city in the border. San Antonio is a little more far but only 2 hrs. I would make like
> 5 hrs in car , 8 in bus to ST Anotnio
> > >
>
> > > Do you think I could qualify for any progam over there even if Im not an American citizen ? Im getting my italian citizen too ( its going very slow though) , would that help some way?
> >
> > No, it looks like you are better off with a private psychiatrist. A good one. I'll check a little more while making those calls, the thing is finding one that is experienced with augmenting MAOI's. There aren't that many.
> >
> >
> > 30 minutes - $120 , lets say an hour $200 ?
> > > wow, it is expensive, considering I earn money in pesos (I'm going to check this out.)
> >
> > > I would spent like $400 dolars by travel
> >
> > Why so much for travel? I flew to Mexico for that.
>
> $400 , including PDoc , gasoline , highways , meals.. its an aprox (counting 200 dls in the PDoc )
>
>
>
> >
> > You are at least 18years old, right?
>
> Yes , Im 10 years older. Im 28 Jade
>
>
> > > >
> > > But do you mean finding someone here ? Or you continue talking about a Pdoc there Jade ?
> > I mean finding someone in Texas for you, Tepi
> > >
> > > I have seen a couple of the most recognized PDoc here , they just simply dont use MAOIS , its scaring for them , . Some let me keep on it , but does not make any change or add anything, they just said , go on in this way and things will improve. I couldn`t afford paying them
> > >
> > > >How much Parnate are you Taking Jade ? Any sign of HP crysis with the ritalin ?Never with ritalin. In fact it helps keep my BP from being too low, but thats just me, Tepi.
> >
> > Now I take 80mg Parnate, and 60mg Ritalin!!!
> >
> > I get low BP whenever I go up in dose but thats it. (No HP crisis) Then it passes.
> >
>Its passed, my BP is totally normal.
>
can I ask you how old are you? Sure, 46yrs
>
> > In the very beginning I did but I think I took a med with it I shouldn't have. Its never happened since.
> >
>
> Same for me , I had only one HP in the beggining . I ate an spoiled chicken . It tasted good however =) ( The chicken , not the HP ) Yuk!
> > > >
> > Yes , I will try to do this. It is difficult but
> > > I have no other choice rihgt
> >
> > Not that I see! You need to get well!!
> > >> >
> > Answer those questions and I'll start looking!
> >
> > ~jade
> > >
>
> I appreciate what you are doing for me Jade.
> Thank yo very much for this thing that you are attempting to make
>
> Are you a mother with childs or something like that?I'm afraid thats it Tepi! I have twin boys age 18 and nephews from 21yrs on down. I adore them all. My 21 year old nephew lives with me, and my brother and his kids are very close to mine. They are more like brothers and sisters than cousins. Were always together. My family is very close.
I hope you family or someone you can confide in
The young ones are always having troubles, as teens and early twenties do! I geuss thats why I am drawn to helping people their age. You have your whole life ahead of you! Good for you for reaching out. Keep doing that.In the mean time, D/R left a post for you to babblemail him. It could be that he has a better idea that I do. Could you contact him as soon as you can so I know whether to make these calls?
I'll wait to see a post back from you after you talk to D/R, Okay? Hope you are hanging in there, We'll get something happening so be patient, okay?
>
>
Posted by tepi on February 21, 2009, at 0:24:39
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? » tepi, posted by JadeKelly on February 20, 2009, at 11:17:47
oh noo ,Im sorry . I have never used that . Maybe I did it once like 4 years ago , but how do you bablemail someone ??
seems like Im a rookie here =/
Posted by JadeKelly on February 21, 2009, at 14:08:40
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? babblemail ?, posted by tepi on February 21, 2009, at 0:24:39
>
> oh noo ,Im sorry . I have never used that . Maybe I did it once like 4 years ago , but how do you bablemail someone ??
> seems like Im a rookie here =/
Okay Tepi,I looked, your babblemail is turned off so noone can mail you. Here is what to do:
1. Go to the top of any desolutionrower posts, you'll see his name is blue.
2. It will take you to babblemail page. At top where it says SETTINGS click and turn yours on.
3. Then you two can send messages just like this except the rest of the board can't see it, including me. When SENDING a babblemail remember submit/send is at BOTTOM!!
4. If it says Babblemail from D/R as an email, which is how you get them, click it and it'll be message from him.
To reply, DON'T HIT EMAIL REPLY, hit line below message to reply. Hope it works!
To send Babblemail anytime, just hit name in blue at top of any message as before.
5. I talked to D/R Maybe he's gonna help with this, okay? We'll get you there, smile and stay hopeful!!! ;-)
Let me know if you have trouble with babble mail, Okay? How about sending one to D/r now so he can mail you back! Just say a quick one so he knows its on.
Your friend,
Jade
Posted by JadeKelly on February 21, 2009, at 14:26:00
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? babblemail ? » tepi, posted by JadeKelly on February 21, 2009, at 14:08:40
Tepi-at the bottom of babblemail page it says to register, thats what you want, then follow directions to accept babblemail.
~Jade
Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2009, at 19:41:20
In reply to Re: Should I return to my meds now? babblemail ?, posted by tepi on February 21, 2009, at 0:24:39
Tepi I also have your e-mail is it the current one? Love Phillipa
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