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Posted by rogdog on October 31, 2000, at 15:48:57
I AM TAKING 25 MG. OF SEROQUEL, AND I AM HAVING DIFFICULTY CONTROLING MY ANGER OUTBURSTS. MY DOCTOR GAVE IT TO ME ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID THAT IT WILL HELP ME THINK CLEARER AND HELP WITH THE OCD... WOW, I HAVE NOW BROKEN MY SHOWER STALL AND HAVE HIT MY ARM UNTILL IT IS BRUISED.. ANYONE HAVE SIMILAR EXERIENCES WITH THESE WONDERFUL "ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS".I SLIP INTO THIS WIERD PLACE IN MY HEAD, THE DOC. TOLD ME IT MIGHT TAKE A WHILE TO "KICK IN" BUT I DONT KNOW IF I WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THIS IF IS CAUSING THESE SYMPTOMS...TIME TO CHECK OFF ONE MORE MEDICATION! TAKE CARE EVERYBODY, AND THANKS FOR YOUR MESSAGES
Posted by S. Howard on October 31, 2000, at 18:45:22
In reply to SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by rogdog on October 31, 2000, at 15:48:57
Wow, I take 200 mg. of seroquel a day and it doesn't do anything but make me tired. On the other hand, wellbutrin made me tense and irritable, which I believe is the opposite effect for which it's intended.
You have to remember that medicine is an art as well as a science, because people don't react to drugs (or much of anything else) in exactly the same way. It's normal to get discouraged when nothing seems to be working but we've got to hang in there. You might not have to make an appointment, call your doctor and tell him that the stuff isn't working. I'm sure you're aware of all that but I'm just, you know, being encouraging. -SGH
Posted by Cindy W on November 1, 2000, at 20:12:44
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S » rogdog, posted by S. Howard on October 31, 2000, at 18:45:22
> Wow, I take 200 mg. of seroquel a day and it doesn't do anything but make me tired. On the other hand, wellbutrin made me tense and irritable, which I believe is the opposite effect for which it's intended.
>
> You have to remember that medicine is an art as well as a science, because people don't react to drugs (or much of anything else) in exactly the same way. It's normal to get discouraged when nothing seems to be working but we've got to hang in there. You might not have to make an appointment, call your doctor and tell him that the stuff isn't working. I'm sure you're aware of all that but I'm just, you know, being encouraging. -SGHRogdog, I take Seroquel 150 mg/night, and it just helps me sleep much better, and to think more clearly, during the day. Talk to your pdoc about the anger (people react differently to different meds).--Cindy W
Posted by kazoo on November 7, 2000, at 0:29:29
In reply to SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by rogdog on October 31, 2000, at 15:48:57
> I AM TAKING 25 MG. OF SEROQUEL, AND I AM HAVING DIFFICULTY CONTROLING MY ANGER OUTBURSTS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Greetz to rogdog ... my advice to you: throw the shit out. Here's my story:
I resumed psychiatric treatment at The University of Connecticut (Farmington), and one
of the chief reasons for doing so was to control my bursts of total madcapped abandon.
In other words, I was losing my temper BIG TIME, lashing out at people and destroying stuff.The "brains" there, Dr. Catherine Lewis, who, within 3 minutes, diagnosed me with some bullshit
syndrome called "Intermittent Spontaneous Convulsive Emotional Outbursts," something I think
this broad made up impromptu, and prescribed this CHEMICAL PUNISHMENT called "Seroquel""But, doctor, they give that to crazy people, you know, like Manson types."
"No, Kazoo, don't worry, just take 25 mgs at bed, the lowest of the low in dosages, and you
*will* be fine. I am fully aware of your chemical sensitivity."Yeah, fat chance.
Let me tell you what one stinkin' dose of that crap did to me. Within 30 minutes, I felt like
I was crawling out of my skin. Within an hour, all my sensory perceptions became distorted to
the point of immobility. And as far as controlling the anger, it only made it worse.
I could not turn the light off to go to bed because these three dimensional monsters would
spring out at me from the darkness, so the light stayed on. My heart was racing a mile a minute,
and I thought I was having a heart attack. When I did close my eyes, the NBC peacock appeared with
all the colors of the spectrum, and I envisioned these fantastic geometric patterns in a constant
creation and destruction array.I prayed to the Almighty: "If there is a God, either end my suffering right now with a quick death,
or allow me to sleep." I was condemned to live: the next thing I knew, it was morning. I was able to
get 6 hours of a DEAD, dreamless sleep. You should also know that it took a full 24 hours before that
shit left my blood stream.The stuff should be banned. After this experience, I think I prefer the anger.
Attention Dr. Catherine Lewis: where did you get your training? The University of Auschwitz?
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Ms. Lewis can be reached at:
University of Connecticut Health Center
School of Medicine / Department of Psychiatry
263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-1410
(860)679-6700
(860)679-1296 (Facsimile)
"An Equal Opportunity Sadist"
Posted by Jakes_123 on May 5, 2008, at 19:50:02
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect, posted by kazoo on November 7, 2000, at 0:29:29
<h1>Seroquel-induced agitation - Seroquel Anger</h1>
I had a similar issue. I originally went to the doctor for depression. The first doctor I saw diagnosed me with depression and started me on Lexapro.(The doctor seemed like she didn't know what she was talking about) A week later I got really bad headaches. My wife and I went to a new doctor and filled out a questionnaire. My wife helped fill out the paper work because my head was just pounding. No, more than 2-3 minutes my new doc diagnosed me with Bi-Polar and started me on Seroquel and Lamictal.
My doses was similar to yours, I started with 50mg for the first 2 days, 3rd day: 100mg, 4th day: 200mg. The second day everything irritated me. I was so agitated at everything. The 3rd day was worse, and I started to snap at my wife, we got into huge arguments over nothing. I was so angery I needed to leave the situation. I got into my car and peeled out of the driveway. My neighbor saw me and was angry that I was driving that way. The 4th day my wife and I got into another argument, which I proceeded to get into my car and peel out of the drive way again. My neighbor then called the cops and they came to my home. The talked with me and I explained to them what happened (luckily, they didn't take me to Jail for reckless driving and domestic abuse).
My wife and I then talked to our marriage counselor about these issues. (Now, keep in mind we didn't know it was Seroquel at the time). My counselor asked me the question are you going to be ok if you go home? Are you going to be able to stay away from your neighbor? I told her that I could, but if he continued to provoke my wife and I, I don't know what I would do. So, she said that it would be best if I checked myself into the Hospital. My wife drove me to the hospital and we discussed what would be the best. We talked about the pros and cons of me going to the hospital. I ended up going to the hospital, because we didn't know why I was so angry and we didn't want anything to continue between my neighbor and I. Even worse we didn't want this to happen in front of our children.
I forgot to mention when I was at the hospital, they had a rule that at 10:30 everyone was supposed to go to bed(which I was not aware of). I continued to watch TV in the cafeteria , I watch Jay Leno every night. One of the staff members told me that I needed to go to bed. I said I will when Leno is over. He said, No, you will go now. I stated again I will when Leno is over. He walked over to the TV and turned it off. I then got up and walked down the hall into my room and waited for him to leave. Then went back to the cafeteria and turned Leno back on. He walked back in and turned the TV off again. I said why you did that? you know I am just going to turn it on again. He said "really". I started to argue and then went to my room. He opened the door to my room, propped open the door with a chair, turned on the light, and sat in the chair. My roommate awoke to the ruckus and I said "Sorry, but this guy is being a pain in my butt". I was thirsty so I was going to get a drink. As I walked out the door he grabbed me by the arm. I pulled my arm away and said don't you dare touch me. One of the other staff member called for help and before I knew it 6 guys were trying to drag me down the hall. They proceeded to take me to the isolation room, in which it took several minutes for all 6 guys to tie me down. After they tied me down I then wiggled my wrists out of the constraints. Then 3 guys back in and tied me up again (Only tighter). The nurses came in, pulled my pants down, and shoot me in the butt with 2 needles. I don't remember anything after that. I was then diagnosed with Sever Anxiety Disorder and Intermittent Explosive disorder after that Seroquel episode.
I have stopped all medications, started to go to the gym, which in turn made me hungry. I have removed myself from the situation that I felt was the cause of my depressed in the first place. I am feeling better that I have in years. I now get more things done, I had chronic back pain, which is now gone, and I actually crave food again.
I have since seen a psychologist and have taken the MMPI-2(Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-2) test. The MMPI-2 is most frequently used psychological test for the assessment of general personality characteristics. It is designed to assess a number of major patterns of personality and psychological disorders. According to the test results of the MMPI-2 clinical profile scales are within normal limits. No Clinical diagnosis is supported or suggested. The result of this test was taken almost 2 months after my Seroquel episode.
Whoever reads this that has depression? I hope that you try and remove yourself from the situations you are in, that are making you depressed, before you try any medications. Seroquel has turned my life upside down. My wife and I are now separated and she is trying to keep my kids away from me. We are seriously looking at divorce, because my wife feels that I am unstable and nothing there is anything I can do. My wife got a book from the library and it says someone that has been diagnosed Bi-Polar will reject their diagnosis and will stop medication. I said to her that I am not Bi-Polar and that it was a misdiagnosed. She doesn't believe it. Even after I have had meetings with a psychologist and taken the MMPI-2 she still doesn't believe it. Thank you to Stupid, stupid, stupid Seroquel.
Jakes
Posted by Jeroen on May 6, 2008, at 7:27:00
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect » kazoo, posted by Jakes_123 on May 5, 2008, at 19:50:02
lol seroquel and lamictal, this doctor wants to kill you
if lamictal causes psychosis in you, you have an automatic agent that treats the psychosishow lame
i'm sick of it, im seriously doubting taking clozapine now
Posted by Zyprexa on May 6, 2008, at 16:54:16
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by Cindy W on November 1, 2000, at 20:12:44
When do you get angry. Shortly after the seroquel or the next day. And what other AP's have you taken that didn't work? How many doses of seroquel do you take a day?
I get freaky when my AP weares off. And start acting weard
Posted by SLS on May 10, 2008, at 7:14:38
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! question?, posted by Zyprexa on May 6, 2008, at 16:54:16
> When do you get angry. Shortly after the seroquel or the next day. And what other AP's have you taken that didn't work? How many doses of seroquel do you take a day?
>
> I get freaky when my AP weares off. And start acting weard
I found that Seroquel made me irritable.Why would your AP wear off? Do you take it consistently?
- Scott
Posted by Jakes_123 on May 10, 2008, at 11:11:12
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! question?, posted by Zyprexa on May 6, 2008, at 16:54:16
By second day I was on it is when I started to notice. My doses went up every day. So by the 4th day I was a wreck. I have stopped all meds and removed myself from the situation that made me depressed. I feel 100 times better. My personal opinion is that depression medication should only be used for people who dont know why they are depressed. If you are depressed, there is a reason. Find it and get away from it.
Posted by TatteredandTorn on May 13, 2008, at 19:17:41
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! question?, posted by Jakes_123 on May 10, 2008, at 11:11:12
Wow! I take 400mg Seroquel daily, and reading all these I'm thinking I shouldn't be!
I find it hard to define what actions are from the meds, from me or from my illness! I am an angsty person and have always had a hot temper, likewise I've allways irritable and fidgety....so I can't really define if it has got worse since I started on the Seroquel.....I'll have to ask my husband!
I also take 200mg Lamictal daily....
I'm in the UK so not sure if things are different here to the states....
I'm really confused now....
TatteredandTorn
Posted by Zyprexa on May 15, 2008, at 19:58:10
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! question? » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on May 10, 2008, at 7:14:38
I found that perphenazine has a short half life and take 3 doses a day. So for the first while after a dose its working and 9 hours after taking it the effects start wearing off. Half life of 9 hours.
Same thing for seroquel. Are you angry 3 hours after a dose. Or 9 hours after. You would know if its the seroquel making you angry, or it could be the lack of seroquel. And taking many doses a day would help.
Posted by Dixie8 on May 17, 2008, at 15:16:40
In reply to SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by rogdog on October 31, 2000, at 15:48:57
not every Rx fits every person's brain. You must talk w/your prescribing MD about this. It's not normal. I take seroquel & used to have anger outbursts & suicidal thoughts. Those are Gone now, after the 8th week of taking it. Good luck to you on your Quest for stability!
Posted by SLS on May 19, 2008, at 5:52:50
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! question? » SLS, posted by Zyprexa on May 15, 2008, at 19:58:10
Hi.
I took Seroquel (quetiapine) for about 3 weeks 8 years ago. I don't remember very much about it.
Sorry.
- Scott> I found that perphenazine has a short half life and take 3 doses a day. So for the first while after a dose its working and 9 hours after taking it the effects start wearing off. Half life of 9 hours.
>
> Same thing for seroquel. Are you angry 3 hours after a dose. Or 9 hours after. You would know if its the seroquel making you angry, or it could be the lack of seroquel. And taking many doses a day would help.
Posted by SLS on May 19, 2008, at 5:55:56
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by Dixie8 on May 17, 2008, at 15:16:40
> not every Rx fits every person's brain. You must talk w/your prescribing MD about this. It's not normal. I take seroquel & used to have anger outbursts & suicidal thoughts. Those are Gone now, after the 8th week of taking it.
So, how is Seroquel helping you now? What are you being treated for?
Get well.
- Scott
Posted by william puga on May 22, 2008, at 12:20:35
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! » Dixie8, posted by SLS on May 19, 2008, at 5:55:56
Not everyone does well with every med. That's why we have a lot of choices. If everyone responded to one med, we wouldn't need any others.
Seroquel can be excellent for some but the dosage has to be right.
For most people:
Maximimal for sedation/sleep is 150mg
Minimum for depression is 300mg
Required for anger control and mania is 600-800Generally, there are less side effects as you increase the dose. lower doses cause more sleepiness and the higher you go it gets better...for most people.
Good luck! If this doesn't work, don't give up. There are other good options.
Bill
Posted by Mindy b on June 18, 2008, at 21:32:36
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!!, posted by william puga on May 22, 2008, at 12:20:35
I am Bi-Polar, PTS, severe depression and Gen Anx. disorder. I take lithium, wellbutrim , klonopin and serequel. I have had such severe anger that I have hit a car, beat on my spouse (which resulted in an assult charge and now I can't get a job cause of it). He is 6'3 and 200lbs to my 5'9 165 body and he is scared of me. I have hit him several times during these anger outburts. I can go from fine to severely pissed in 1/2 a millisecond. I can't sleep w/o serequel. But it has F-up my life so bad. I have no job or ins. so I get my meds from a free clinic so I have no Dr. that manages my medication. What to do?? Call a lawyer??
Posted by Jeroen on June 19, 2008, at 3:37:53
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!!, posted by Mindy b on June 18, 2008, at 21:32:36
oh thats a terrible situation to be in for sure
quit the meds that f*ck you up my brother!
i have been trough this myself sort of
Posted by Jeroen on June 19, 2008, at 3:45:30
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect » kazoo, posted by Jakes_123 on May 5, 2008, at 19:50:02
seroquel had me agitated also at start
i called my best friend, and started to shout at him, after that his father came to my house to never talk to him again or police.
also caused by agitated state of seroquel
this is not normal anymore
Posted by jana73 on June 20, 2008, at 16:40:09
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect, posted by Jeroen on June 19, 2008, at 3:45:30
How long did Seroquel negatively affect you? I've been on it for 5 weeks & seem to be MORE aggitated, angry, depressed & fearful.
Posted by Jeroen on June 20, 2008, at 17:04:30
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect, posted by jana73 on June 20, 2008, at 16:40:09
it kicked in after 2 weeks i felt great, and experienced heaven on earth, so after 5 weeks if it negativelly affect you, it will not get better
because ive been trough it
Posted by yxibow on June 21, 2008, at 2:10:23
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect, posted by Jeroen on June 20, 2008, at 17:04:30
> it kicked in after 2 weeks i felt great, and experienced heaven on earth, so after 5 weeks if it negativelly affect you, it will not get better
>
> because ive been trough itThat's a projection, Jeroen. We know you have been through certain medical trials, but it may not be the same for someone else. It doesn't mean you can't contribute your information or frustration, but you have to remember, everybody has a different brain chemistry. Its a generalisation.
You've been through a lot of tough times and a search for a proper medication system and more importantly, the reconnection with the outside world and more socialisation. Because, though I hate the term, and I have personal conditions that I know defy it, "causation does not imply correlation."
People in the schizophreniform spectrum, for example, for an AP use, may have positive (which is not what it sounds like -- agitation, etc) symptoms that are not due to medications.
Yes -- if there is evidence of increased psychosis that wasn't there before and isn't characteristic of the individual, after a month it -may- not be the best medication.
But unfortunately it can be a longer wait to see larger effects from APs, atypical or not, could take up to three months or more. We don't know everything about these medications nor schizophrenia (or bipolar for that matter).
Just a thought
-- tidings
Posted by jana73 on June 21, 2008, at 11:02:52
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!B.S / Both Cause and Effect » Jeroen, posted by yxibow on June 21, 2008, at 2:10:23
I appreciate everyone's responses. I'm depressed w/ suicidal/homicidal tendencies. I have BPD w/ splitting. I went to emergency last week & psychiatric doc said I was suffering from extreme akathisia from 375mg of Effexor. I was also taking 60mg of Celexa & 250mg of Seroquel. He lowered my dose of Effexor to 75mg. After a few days, I didn't feel much better, so I thought it might be Seroquel. I dropped it to 100mg last night & none this morn. I'm still realy tired, but otherwise seem better. I think I'll keep it at 100mg until I see my pdoc on Tues.
Jeroen, the way you keep trying to get better, after all of your disappointments, inspires me. Keep up the good work!
My pdoc says I should be in a hospital day program, but until I'm stablized on drugs , it would be pointless. That's what some councillors say about therapy too, but now is when I feel I need it the most. Thankfully, I have all of the wonderful, smart, caring, hard-working people on Psycho-Babble.
Love,
Jana
Posted by Timx2 on June 22, 2008, at 1:01:26
In reply to SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by rogdog on October 31, 2000, at 15:48:57
I don't know how this is possible... You became angry due to a 25mg dose of a major tranq ??
What about risperdal or olanzapine ?
Quite paradoxical... humph
Posted by Jeroen on June 22, 2008, at 9:16:58
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by Timx2 on June 22, 2008, at 1:01:26
its true i had this too the first 2 days or 3 anger and agitation of seroquel but it flies over, unless after few weeks it doesnt work
Posted by william puga on June 23, 2008, at 0:01:49
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL ANGER~!! B.S, posted by Timx2 on June 22, 2008, at 1:01:26
Lower doses are more sedating, could it be that with the sedation comes more irritability and crankiness? Higher doses are better for anger anyway, it may be worthwhile sticking with it and pushing it to higher levels as determined by your pdoc, good luck!
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