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Posted by linkadge on January 29, 2008, at 2:56:00
Seriously though, why don't they put some significant research into medications that can help people sleep? Its not as if the market isn't there, and the payoff (worker productivity) for a good nights sleep, I mean WTF?
Its 2008 and companies are still working with drugs we had 30 years ago. Seriously, Senenor? Patented low dose doxapin? We're not getting anywhere.
Psychiatrists don't know how to handle these problem either. They're told that insomnia is not a disease, that they need to treat the underlying disease. New research shows that it may be the reverse (insomnia causes depression. Well duh, thats what patients have been saying: "if I could just get a decent nights sleep"). People turn to alchohol and weed for reasons.
They don't believe in hypnotics or benzos anymore they belive in SSRI's which often don't do anything for hardcore insomnia, esp when the patient is not generally depressed. Benzo's don't do much to restore natural sleep anyway. They never got my life back on track.
You don't have to have a mood disorder to suffer from a sleep disorder.
I don't understand human nature sometime. We can put a man on the moon but...
Whats the president get when he can't sleep at night, seroquel? Does he really think thats adequate?
This whole Heath Ledger thing has got me thinking: do ritch people really have do deal with the same meaninless and inadequate assortment of tools to fight these illnesses? Are there no "rich people's options"? Is this really how the best of the best get treated?
If human beings could wake up each morning from an orgazmically refreshing GHB like sleep could you imagine how the world might advance? Instead they wake up each morning in an ever enveloping antispychotic daze, which slowly saps their testosterone, growth hormone release, insulin regulation, work productivity, (and ultimately desire to live).
I don't believe that should be called medicine.
It bothers me.
Linkadge
Posted by 49er on January 29, 2008, at 6:00:54
In reply to Why don't they put some significant research into:, posted by linkadge on January 29, 2008, at 2:56:00
Linkage,
As usual, you make some great points.
I accidentally discovered that taking a small amount of magnesium before bedtime leads to great sleep. In spite of tapering Remeron, which I have been taking at night, I can count on my hand, the number of times I have had insomnia.
I wish I had known about this when I developed insomnia in 2006 when on 3 psychotropic meds, including taking Remeron for sleep. Nothing was wrong personally as I just think I was on too many meds. But sadly, another med was added which will now make my tapering process longer.
Yeah, it does seem we should be able to do better, doesn't it?
49er
Posted by JayBTV2 on January 29, 2008, at 9:22:48
In reply to Re: Why don't they put some significant research i » linkadge, posted by 49er on January 29, 2008, at 6:00:54
This thread made me think of Valdoxan - the 5-HT2C antagonist, 5-HT2B antagonist, melatonin M1/M2 receptor agonist. I remember reading it improves sleep with it's melatonin action.
I know it's not really a sleep med but that always seemed somewhat creative to me. Too bad the FDA and EU have rejected it for now :(
Posted by Phillipa on January 29, 2008, at 10:28:07
In reply to Re: Why don't they put some significant research i, posted by JayBTV2 on January 29, 2008, at 9:22:48
Sleep clinics are all over now saying snoring and aphnea is the cause of insomnia in a lot of cases. I don't snore. Phillipa
Posted by Bob on January 29, 2008, at 11:32:22
In reply to Re: Why don't they put some significant research i, posted by JayBTV2 on January 29, 2008, at 9:22:48
> This thread made me think of Valdoxan - the 5-HT2C antagonist, 5-HT2B antagonist, melatonin M1/M2 receptor agonist. I remember reading it improves sleep with it's melatonin action.
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> I know it's not really a sleep med but that always seemed somewhat creative to me. Too bad the FDA and EU have rejected it for now :(Valdoxan was canned? Why? I was kind of looking forward to it.
Posted by Bob on January 29, 2008, at 11:33:55
In reply to Re: Why don't they put some significant research i, posted by Phillipa on January 29, 2008, at 10:28:07
> Sleep clinics are all over now saying snoring and aphnea is the cause of insomnia in a lot of cases. I don't snore. Phillipa
I had a comprehensive sleep study once and of course they found an apnea problem. Then naturally that became the hypothetical source of all my problems. It went away when I went off high dose lithium and I'm still woefully ill.
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