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Posted by Jeroen on December 22, 2007, at 10:15:17
reversal of TD reported with manganese chelated 50 mg
after 5 weeks the TD reversed, also this person after 10 years reported her schizophrenia symptoms under control with Zinc 10 mg therapy .. also after 5 weeks
can someone explain this to me please?
Posted by bleauberry on December 22, 2007, at 18:46:37
In reply to reversal of TD reported with manganese chelated 50, posted by Jeroen on December 22, 2007, at 10:15:17
No idea. It does point though to my feelings that the use of psych drugs to treat symptoms can be a harsher road than just fixing the underlying problem. The psych drugs won't do that. At best they relieve, numb, or block the symptoms from being experienced, but the symptoms and the problems are still there. Easier said than done, I realize. Even the best tests probably would not have pinpointed why those 2 metals were needed.
Could be a genetic variation where those 2 metals are more crucial than in other people.
Could be copper toxicity which has schizophrenia as one of its symptoms. Elevated copper is in my belief very common and very underdiagnosed. It comes mainly from tap water through copper pipes, multivitamins (most have copper), and fruits/veggies not washed vigorously (copper is a commonly used pesticide). Zinc is used to reduce copper levels. Both are called essential metals. For this person they are truly essential. 10mg zinc is kind of low though. Therapeutic doses are usually in the 25mg to 50mg per day range and some people take 100mg.
Don't know. Just glad the person is doing well on such basic things. That's awesome. Sometimes these simplest of things put the strongest psych drugs to shame. The real powerful shame is that there were so many years of suffering, so much research by pharmaceutical companies to make a magic pill, and so much money spent on sales, and so much time with doctors, when all that was needed was at the local drug store for about $10.
> reversal of TD reported with manganese chelated 50 mg
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> after 5 weeks the TD reversed, also this person after 10 years reported her schizophrenia symptoms under control with Zinc 10 mg therapy .. also after 5 weeks
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> can someone explain this to me please?
Posted by Jeroen on December 23, 2007, at 4:36:34
In reply to Re: reversal of TD reported with manganese chelated 50, posted by bleauberry on December 22, 2007, at 18:46:37
MANGANESE:
A deficiency can lead to blood sugar intolerance. Manganese is required to load up acetylcholine, our memory neurotransmitter. Anti psychotic medications (major tranquilizers) bind to manganese, causing a deficiency that results in tardive dyskinesia (contorted facial twitching) in about one quarter of schizophrenics taking anti-psychotics. Taking manganese daily helps to prevent or reverse this toxic reaction.
Posted by yxibow on December 24, 2007, at 0:43:05
In reply to i would like to add this, posted by Jeroen on December 23, 2007, at 4:36:34
> MANGANESE:
> A deficiency can lead to blood sugar intolerance. Manganese is required to load up acetylcholine, our memory neurotransmitter. Anti psychotic medications (major tranquilizers) bind to manganese, causing a deficiency that results in tardive dyskinesia (contorted facial twitching) in about one quarter of schizophrenics taking anti-psychotics. Taking manganese daily helps to prevent or reverse this toxic reaction.
Manganese: a toxin whose fumes should not exceed 5mg/m3, noted in neurodegeneration in manganism, a miner's disease. MMT, Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT), a gas additive especially common in Canada and a replacement for TEL (Tetraethyl Lead), also can cause manganism in handling and manufacture, though not clear in exposure by fume inhalation. WHO Standards are 0.5mg/L of water.Just a note that there is a flipside to everything -- that's why if, and only if there was a chromium deficiency in someone, we are talking mcg to correct this. Most of the western world already gets chromium, vanadium, and other compounds simply by using stainless steel in cooking food exposure.
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