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Posted by GGGGG on September 6, 2007, at 22:24:45
So, last year, my ex pulledsome dirty strings, went against every sacred promise of keeping the kids out of our battles and took the kids from me and refused to let them speak to me for over a year. The wear and tear of the sshocking action took it's t5oll on my six year old baby girl. She is not fond of the step mother and started acting out(being rebellious.) At school, she was in the gifted and tealented program and an ideal student until spring when the teacher noticed she was sad. shortly thereafter, the ex and his wife were investigated for three counts of child abuse on baby girl and my nine year old son. The step monster reacted to the investigation by having baby girl put on ablify which makes her seem sedate or stoned. I read that this medicine is for schizophrenia or autism. Chil Protective services said that she was diagnosed(according to the ex) with bi polar disorder. Does anyone have children on Ablify???? are there studies on ablify and children?? i need some informational sites or numbers. How do Doctors gauge or diagnose a child without witnessing behavioral changes. She is fine now that I went to court and she sees me all the time, but she is still medicated. According to her and her brothers, the stepmonster gives her two pills some days. What is that about? Drug the kids so you don't have to deal with them. The first time I saw her, after the year+ she was almost catatonic. Any words of inspiration out there??????
Posted by Phillipa on September 6, 2007, at 22:29:30
In reply to Ablify, posted by GGGGG on September 6, 2007, at 22:24:45
Do you have a social worker or someone on the case never heard of atypical antipsychotics being used with young children. I am going to google and see what I find. As this does not seem right. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on September 6, 2007, at 22:41:24
In reply to Re: Ablify » GGGGG, posted by Phillipa on September 6, 2007, at 22:29:30
Well I see they are using these meds in little children calling them bipolar how can a three year old be diagnosed as bipolar? I don't understand. My heart goes out to you. Phillipa
Posted by finelinebob on September 7, 2007, at 12:30:21
In reply to Re: Ablify, posted by Phillipa on September 6, 2007, at 22:41:24
> Well I see they are using these meds in little children calling them bipolar how can a three year old be diagnosed as bipolar? I don't understand. My heart goes out to you. Phillipa
How? Well, first of all when you think they're taking a nap, they get up, nip your credit cards and spend $50,000 on toys bought online.... ;^)
Seriously, I'm seeing more of these drugs being cleared for kids at younger and younger ages. Drugs are cheaper than therapists. Welcome to "Managed Care".
flb
Posted by med_empowered on September 7, 2007, at 16:49:30
In reply to Re: Ablify, posted by finelinebob on September 7, 2007, at 12:30:21
yeah, diagnosing kids "bipolar" is the latest thing but..jeeze. Try to get your kid off of abilify ASAP, if you can--can you contact a lawyer or something? For every crazy shrink who will call a 3 year old bipolar, there's got to be at least 1 sane one who will say the diagnosis is crap. Do try to get your kid off the meds whenever you can.
Posted by stargazer2 on September 7, 2007, at 22:01:25
In reply to wow..., posted by med_empowered on September 7, 2007, at 16:49:30
Abilify is not used for bipolar, at least not as a first line treatment for it. I would not let that be prescribed based on one pdoc's opinion. Can she have a second opinion done to verify the diagnosis, especially since you say they were investigated for child abuse? Abilify is not a drug to be used in children who cannot tell you really how they are doing. A six year old should not be on an antipsychotic drug without proof she needs this and a second opinion would help to sort this out to prevent giving her a drug that has not been given or tested in that age group.
Stargazer
Posted by Phillipa on September 7, 2007, at 22:13:14
In reply to Re: wow..., posted by stargazer2 on September 7, 2007, at 22:01:25
Stargazer thought they could not dx bipolar until teens that it was defiant behavior. You are better versed than me what would you suggest? Phillipa
Posted by GGGGG on September 9, 2007, at 23:04:30
In reply to Re: wow..., posted by stargazer2 on September 7, 2007, at 22:01:25
> Abilify is not used for bipolar, at least not as a first line treatment for it. I would not let that be prescribed based on one pdoc's opinion. Can she have a second opinion done to verify the diagnosis, especially since you say they were investigated for child abuse? Abilify is not a drug to be used in children who cannot tell you really how they are doing. A six year old should not be on an antipsychotic drug without proof she needs this and a second opinion would help to sort this out to prevent giving her a drug that has not been given or tested in that age group.
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> StargazerwOW, See, I'm NOT CRAZY!! tHANKS. I'm no doctor, but i know enough to know that This is wrong for my girl. I spoke to someone recently who informed me that their stepson had to have a heart fibulator installed due to the psychotropic drugs they had him on . I gues the long term usage took a toll on his heart and liver. He's 13, and takes NO medication now. He also doesn't act whacked out anymore now thsat he is just allowed to be a kid. Thanks for the comment
GGGGG
Posted by GGGGG on September 9, 2007, at 23:12:54
In reply to Re: Ablify, posted by finelinebob on September 7, 2007, at 12:30:21
> > Well I see they are using these meds in little children calling them bipolar how can a three year old be diagnosed as bipolar? I don't understand. My heart goes out to you. Phillipa
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> How? Well, first of all when you think they're taking a nap, they get up, nip your credit cards and spend $50,000 on toys bought online.... ;^)
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> Seriously, I'm seeing more of these drugs being cleared for kids at younger and younger ages. Drugs are cheaper than therapists. Welcome to "Managed Care".
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> flbyeah, about the kids who are spending 50g online, I'm sure there are cases that are extreme like that. No doubt. my daughter is merele a victim of a lazy. controlling psycho who chooses to medicate over nurture and stimulate a childs maturing character. Simply satated, she throw fits to try and get her way. She is the baby and she is the girl.. Go figure.....
Posted by GGGGG on September 9, 2007, at 23:20:48
In reply to wow..., posted by med_empowered on September 7, 2007, at 16:49:30
> yeah, diagnosing kids "bipolar" is the latest thing but..jeeze. Try to get your kid off of abilify ASAP, if you can--can you contact a lawyer or something? For every crazy shrink who will call a 3 year old bipolar, there's got to be at least 1 sane one who will say the diagnosis is crap. Do try to get your kid off the meds whenever you can.
Ok, so first i get a second opinion.... then, what kind of an attorney do I call??my family attorney knew about it at the end of the modification order we just entered( i found out aabout CPS and the drugs after i agreed to let him take primary joint custody while I finish my degree) anyway my family attorney just said "thats F(&*&^%*&^ed up. So what kind of attorney addresses these issues??
Posted by med_empowered on September 10, 2007, at 21:23:00
In reply to Re: wow..., posted by GGGGG on September 9, 2007, at 23:20:48
i dont know what your legal options are. The thing is, these drugs suck, especially for kids...really, this is *child abuse*--unforunately, witch a doc's dx, you can pass off drugging a kid (or adult) into submission as "treatment". Its a problem.
I would think your family attorney could address it; if nothing else, you should be able to get another opinion from a doc who might say your kid is normal and needs no meds. Can you call social services? Just check to see if they can do anything for you.
Posted by GGGGG on September 10, 2007, at 21:48:54
In reply to i dunno..., posted by med_empowered on September 10, 2007, at 21:23:00
> i dont know what your legal options are. The thing is, these drugs suck, especially for kids...really, this is *child abuse*--unforunately, witch a doc's dx, you can pass off drugging a kid (or adult) into submission as "treatment". Its a problem.
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> I would think your family attorney could address it; if nothing else, you should be able to get another opinion from a doc who might say your kid is normal and needs no meds. Can you call social services? Just check to see if they can do anything for you.
thats the pathetic thing. Child Protective services are involved because the step mother(new wife) wife dropped Baby girl once when BG was throwing a rebellious fit. the injury incurred was that she ended up with a scrape and a bruise going from her collar bone to underneath her chin. the other incident involved BG showing up at schoolwith a hand print on the side of her face. I think that i need to first get her to a doc for a second opinion. at that point, I think that I can m ove on a legal platform.. Obviously, CPS is not qualified to move on the matter because they don't see it as child abuse. I even told the case worker that BG is being given 20mg (two pills) instead of the prescribed 10mg daily. I had her all weekend and there were times when I would look at her and she had a stoned blank stare and her mouth was agape. It is heart wrenching. This is all happenening because my ex husband, who I might interject; is a covicted felon for the distribution of meth amphetamine, turned me in to CPS for smoking marijuana. It was about revenge and not wanting to pay child support. ( that would mean that he would have to work) haha. True enough, we live in a society where marijuana is not accepted, but I will have you know that I raised 2 kids(now ages 28, and 22) who are not only succesful, but do not smoke pot or use other drugs for that matter. I did not impose my marijuana usage on my kids ever. ofcourse, I don't smoke at all now, but it's a no brainer. I would do anything for my kids including play by the corrupt government rules. so, yea the jerk doesn't pay child support, but all three little ones get sad knowing they are going back to Hitlers house(their dad) and it's just amatter of time before he screws up again. I'm most worried about the psychological irreversible damage caused by unnecessary prescribed psychotropic drugs. In the case of my BG, time is of the essence. anything you find out, I'm all ears. One thing is for sure, dad doesn't mind taking casualities to forge his scorn.
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