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Posted by Larry Hoover on August 1, 2007, at 12:19:41
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 12:06:59
> Thats the catch 22.
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> Opponents say marajuanna should be outlawed because it causes so many detrimental side effects.
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> I tend to think however, that it causes so many detrimental side effects because it is outlawed.
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> LinkadgeI think the delivery system has to be taken into consideration, also. Oral mj is very different than smoked. I have access to medical mj, and this one product, when smoked, made me hallucinate, break out in a cold sweat, and become paranoid. Orally, I just peace out.
Lar
Posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 14:07:55
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » linkadge, posted by Larry Hoover on August 1, 2007, at 12:19:41
People's milage may vary. I had a psychotic reaction to ritalin. I don't think it needs to be bannded based on that though.
I think many people are going to smoke it anyway, so I think they should at least get the benifit of getting it from a more consistant source.
Linkadge
Posted by nickguy on August 1, 2007, at 15:36:29
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » Larry Hoover, posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 14:07:55
I don't think it should be banned at all. Nor do I disagree that if it was legal, it might be safer. All I'm saying is- any history or present mental illness, stay away from the stuff.
Posted by Bonnie_CA on August 1, 2007, at 16:11:32
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » Larry Hoover, posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 14:07:55
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> I think many people are going to smoke it anyway, so I think they should at least get the benifit of getting it from a more consistant source.
>Our local supermarket generally doesn't buy produce from local farmers without it passing through some hands first. By the time it reaches that market shelf, it's been inspected several times, and the substandard stuff did not reach the shelf. This is all done in the name of safety. If marijuana was legal and there were regulations on it like growing produce or making a prescription, it would be a safer drug to use.
-Bonnie
Posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 16:30:42
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by nickguy on August 1, 2007, at 15:36:29
>All I'm saying is- any history or present mental >illness, stay away from the stuff.
As a general rule, I suppose this is a good one.
There are people with mental illnesses who do benifit from some sort of marajuanna usage.
I have found little else that tackles so many issues at once, ie sleep, anxeity, anhedonia, loss of appetite, increased pain, GI disturbance, etc.
There have also been some bipolars who pass through this board on medicinal trials of marajuanna for bipolar.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 16:34:19
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by Bonnie_CA on August 1, 2007, at 16:11:32
If there were more liberal views of marajuanna usage, then perhaps researchers would be more inclined to push the wheels on marajuanna constituent research.
Cannabidol, for instance, appears to be an effective antipsychotic and anxoltyic, with no apparent effects on locomotor activity or movement disturbance, it also appears to have a favorable impact on cognition.
It is unethical to let this compound sit on a shelf for the next 50 years, which is what it will do.
Linkadge
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 1, 2007, at 17:58:24
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » Bonnie_CA, posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 16:34:19
> If there were more liberal views of marajuanna usage, then perhaps researchers would be more inclined to push the wheels on marajuanna constituent research.
Well, there is a company on the Toronto Venture stock exchange just about to begin Phase 1 studies on a cannabis product....Cannasat.
http://www.cannasat.com/about/
There is another company, but I can't think of the name of it.....funded by the owner of Global News, if I recall correctly.
Start-ups, for sure, but they might get the drop on big pharma.
Lar
Posted by obsidian on August 1, 2007, at 21:34:45
In reply to marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by dondon on July 31, 2007, at 22:02:06
yeah...me too if I smoke A LOT
Posted by Bonnie_CA on August 1, 2007, at 23:00:38
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » Bonnie_CA, posted by linkadge on August 1, 2007, at 16:34:19
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> It is unethical to let this compound sit on a shelf for the next 50 years, which is what it will do.
>Well, here in California, we'll just eventually break off and become our own country, and it will be legal here. Ok, yes, I'm kidding. Did you see the documentary on the History Channel about the criminalization of marjuana? (Are you a nerd like me?) According to that, it was made unattainable because it was linked to Mexicans. And opium was outlawed because it was linked to Chinese. It may be true. America was once even more racist than it is now.
-Bonnie
Posted by Sigismund on August 2, 2007, at 4:08:57
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » linkadge, posted by Bonnie_CA on August 1, 2007, at 23:00:38
>According to that, it was made unattainable because it was linked to Mexicans. And opium was outlawed because it was linked to Chinese. It may be true. America was once even more racist than it is now.
Same for Australia, though we managed not to worry about the Mexicans.
Posted by revaaron on August 2, 2007, at 14:57:09
In reply to marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by dondon on July 31, 2007, at 22:02:06
I generally agree with what a lot of other folks are saying- if it gives you panic attacks, don't take it.
But that said... try better weed.
Cheap schwag gave me lots of anxiety and paranoia, but better weed doesn't. While I don't have the resources to distinguish between them, many report similar differences between Indica and Sativa subspecies of weed, with the effects of the two subspecies between quite different.
Schwag = crappier weed; often full of stems, seeds, and leaf. Looks more like oregano than better weed (see photo below). Often smells like weed, but is often dry, crunchy, and not sticky. Usually ompressed into bricks for shipment.
Better weed (nugs, kb, etc) is an actual flower, cut from the plant and bought as is. E.g.:
Posted by FredPotter on August 2, 2007, at 15:47:47
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » Bonnie_CA, posted by Sigismund on August 2, 2007, at 4:08:57
And in Oz they made a terrible fuss about the influx of kava. What a joke. Such a mild and benign drug compared to alcohol, but white Europeans introduced alcohol to the aborigines which isn't in their culture, and in the main they can't handle it. Same in Fiji, Tonga etc, where kava comes from
Posted by FredPotter on August 2, 2007, at 15:50:54
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by revaaron on August 2, 2007, at 14:57:09
In Wales years ago I used to smoke a hashish resin called Lebanese Gold. Very relaxing. I think it's grass that causes me problems
Posted by Bonnie_CA on August 3, 2007, at 4:05:55
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » revaaron, posted by FredPotter on August 2, 2007, at 15:50:54
> In Wales years ago I used to smoke a hashish resin called Lebanese Gold. Very relaxing. I think it's grass that causes me problems
I'm sure the process of making hashish eliminates or changes whatever it is that made you have problems.
-Bonnie
Posted by BGB on August 3, 2007, at 7:14:40
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » dondon, posted by FredPotter on July 31, 2007, at 22:50:52
> Some people have had one toke and spent the rest of their lives, every moment of it, in a depersonalised state. >
Really, with just one toke??? I am not promoting the usage of marijuana, but I just have to ask where you heard that? Can you site any sources? I have never, ever in my life heard about this phenomenon.
Posted by linkadge on August 3, 2007, at 9:40:22
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » FredPotter, posted by BGB on August 3, 2007, at 7:14:40
> Some people have had one toke and spent the rest of their lives, every moment of it, in a depersonalised state. >
I too would see that as a pretty extreme reaction. I don't know what kind of statistics there are on that type of reaction.
I would also like to perform a chemical analysis on the batch of marajuanna which prompted such a reaction.
Linkadge
Posted by revaaron on August 3, 2007, at 16:33:19
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » revaaron, posted by FredPotter on August 2, 2007, at 15:50:54
Well, hash is usually made using the Indica subspecies of Cannabis, which is more of a body high, more sedate, less brainy or psychedelic. Which often translates into less paranoia and anxiety.
Hash, from any plant, contains different levels of psychoactives than would the buds or the whole plant prepared for consumption.
Posted by mike lynch on August 3, 2007, at 23:38:02
In reply to marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by dondon on July 31, 2007, at 22:02:06
It's pretty weird that a drug I've been lectured to stay away from all throughout my school years, has been the most tolerable and positive for me , while most of the ones that were given to me by licensed professionals were the ones that actually screwed me up..
Posted by yznhymer on August 5, 2007, at 0:52:24
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by mike lynch on August 3, 2007, at 23:38:02
I never had that experience until this past year. It was horrible. I felt like my chest was going to explode, that I might die, and I was afraid to move. Interestingly, it happened 3 times several months apart so I didn't see any connection at first. The third time I figured out it was a reaction to taking a few hits offered by one particular friend - medical MJ he purchased at a smoke shop. I was the only one in a group who had a bad reaction. Now that I figured out what's going on, I DON'T DO IT ANYMORE.
I used to be a regular toker and loved the stuff. Unfortunately, over time it made me withdrawn, passive, incompetent and numb. Maybe the numbness was part of the attraction. It also enabled addictive hypersexual behavior. That was one helluva run. Until I got fat - it enabled that too. Anyway, somehow I managed to kick my daily habit. Now, I might take a couple of hits at a social occasion if offered - usually I don't. Since I've been pretty much weed-free, I'm much more engaged in life and better off in numerous respects. But its taken a long time recovering and even then its a partial recovery at best.
Posted by FredPotter on August 5, 2007, at 15:36:41
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by yznhymer on August 5, 2007, at 0:52:24
Well done mate. What you're saying is right against the flow of current so-called wisdom. These days smoking pot seems almost compulsory if you don't want to be called a nerd. Smoking tobacco seems to be far less acceptable that pot now
Posted by linkadge on August 6, 2007, at 9:41:49
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » yznhymer, posted by FredPotter on August 5, 2007, at 15:36:41
In my town, one is considered a real looser to even associate with people who smoke pot.
Oftentimes, theraputic utility can be gained from doses far less than are required to get high, paranoid, antisocial, numb etc. If you're high, you've smoked too much (IMHO).
Some people become alcoholics, but clearly not everybody who drinks faces the severe life disruption and destriction of an alcoholic.
Linkadge
Posted by Needhelp on August 6, 2007, at 12:40:42
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks » yznhymer, posted by FredPotter on August 5, 2007, at 15:36:41
what does weed do to a person when they are on Emsam patch and Lexapro?
Posted by cumulative on August 6, 2007, at 13:33:35
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by Needhelp on August 6, 2007, at 12:40:42
There's nothing I'm aware of that would specifically make it a particularly problematic reaction. Except: watch out for orthostatic hypotension, because marijuana's interesting effects on blood flow can provoke this and some people experience it from EMSAM.
The other things. Heartrate if that's a problem for you. Don't have a panic attack.
My only advice is that it will be different than smoking without the antidepressants. More activating, or more sedating, or more anxious. Expect weirdness. This is my universal experience combining ADs with cannabis.
Posted by Needhelp on August 6, 2007, at 16:13:51
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks )))Needhelp, posted by cumulative on August 6, 2007, at 13:33:35
thanks. A friend of mine does weed and now is on meds and thinks all is fine doing both and alcohol also. Looking for him to have a stroke from all this. But don't know how to convince him to stop.
Posted by JohnnyBLinux on August 8, 2007, at 22:21:11
In reply to Re: marijuana gives me panic attacks, posted by mike lynch on August 3, 2007, at 23:38:02
The last time I smoked marijuana was about a couple of years ago. I never experienced panic attacks after using cannabis. SSRIs and other antidepressants (i.e. mirtazepine) frequently cause unacceptable side-effects which severely limit their effectiveness. I remember feeling a whole lot of weirdness with SRRIs, Wellbutrin, and mirtazepine. ADs are overrated, and they should not be advertised on TV. I have learned that prescription medications are not necessarily safe or effective. You're "mileage may vary" is a popular cliche in this forum and applies to this post.
The bottom line is that anti-depressant medications are severely overrated. Four weeks or longer is too long to expect relief of symptoms. It is no wonder Americans resort of marijuana.
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