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Posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 20:20:46
Has anyone noticed that the new drugs Lunesta, Ambien, Sonata, Rozerem touted
for sleep seem to be "light weights" compared to
Valium, Xanax, Klonopin and the AD remeron.
Posted by harryinphilly on February 13, 2007, at 21:01:20
In reply to Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 20:20:46
Yeah, they don't work as well as the older ones either. Only advantage apparently is not waking up with a hangover. I'll take chloral hydrate or doral any day!
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 21:01:24
In reply to Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 20:20:46
Definitely just added lunesta to valium and .5 of xanax. Love Phillipa
Posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 21:16:23
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » steve59, posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 21:01:24
> Definitely just added lunesta to valium and .5 of xanax. Love Phillipa
Have You tried the AD Remeron. At low doses
it works great as a sleeping pill and is available
in generic form.
Steve
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 21:39:16
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 21:16:23
Yes would you believe I took l5mg with l5mg of chloral hydrate, 50mg of seroquel and xanax and klonopin. Guess I've come a long way. Love Phillipa
Posted by saturn on February 13, 2007, at 23:20:58
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » steve59, posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 21:39:16
> Yes would you believe I took l5mg with l5mg of chloral hydrate, 50mg of seroquel and xanax and klonopin. Guess I've come a long way. Love Phillipa
Phillipa how did the Remeron work for you?
Posted by danr49 on February 14, 2007, at 11:36:36
In reply to Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 20:20:46
The advantage of some of the newer prescription medications like Ambien CR you mentioned are that they do not interfere with sleep architecture as much as older drugs. This means that many of the older drugs (and particularly benadryl) cause one to spend less time in certain stages of sleep (e.g. REM and stage 4) and more in others so that you are not getting full quality sleep as you would if you could sleep the full amount of time naturally without drugs.
Just because something heavily "puts you out" doesn't mean it's giving you good sleep. Some nasty drugs that aren't used anymore really "put you out" and interfere with sleep architecture to the point that eight hours of sleep on one of them is equivalent to about three without it.
Posted by yxibow on February 14, 2007, at 17:05:01
In reply to Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by steve59 on February 13, 2007, at 20:20:46
> Has anyone noticed that the new drugs Lunesta, Ambien, Sonata, Rozerem touted
> for sleep seem to be "light weights" compared to
> Valium, Xanax, Klonopin and the AD remeron.
It depends on how used to benzodiazepines one already is, for one factor. There is cross-tolerance to pseduobenzodiazepines and benzodiazepines.
Sonata is about the lightest of lightweights, if there is a word, of the pseudobenzodiazepines.
Its roughly decreasing Ambien/AmbienCR -> Lunesta -> Sonata. Rozerem is hard to say because it is a Melatonin receptor agonist many times more powerful than OTC Melatonin.
I'm not benzodiazepine "naive" so I take Rozerem and Ambien at this point.
But there is truth in that a drug doesn't have to slam you like Dalmane (freaky) in order to produce good sleep.
Some people who have tolerance or have greater insomnia like myself may have to take 20mg of Ambien or 4+mg of Lunesta for something to be effective. I recall a trial of Sonata ages ago that didn't do much at all. But before you go trying these trials, ask your doctor. Everyone is different; I wouldn't go beyond 20mg on Ambien either, nasty stuff happens, nausea, sleepwalking, who knows (not personal experience but a rough guess, I have gotten away with 25mg once.)-- tidings
Posted by Phillipa on February 14, 2007, at 19:10:11
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » Phillipa, posted by saturn on February 13, 2007, at 23:20:58
If I had been given it alone I could answer your question but chloral hydrate is powerful and kicks in very quickly. So I don't know. Love Phillia
Posted by steve59 on February 14, 2007, at 19:40:30
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » saturn, posted by Phillipa on February 14, 2007, at 19:10:11
> If I had been given it alone I could answer your question but chloral hydrate is powerful and kicks in very quickly. So I don't know. Love Phillia
Phillia
Are doctors willing to prescribe chloral hydrate these days or do you buy it from the internet pharmacies?
Steve
Posted by Phillipa on February 14, 2007, at 21:23:14
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by steve59 on February 14, 2007, at 19:40:30
I had a pdoc once for years that was bilking medicaire unknown to me he used chloral hydrate never heard of anymore. They do use it for babies surgical proceedures and used to use it in nursing homes for the elderly. That was years ago. Love Phillipa ps be careful it is a mickey finn if alcholol with it.
Posted by yxibow on February 16, 2007, at 2:26:06
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » steve59, posted by Phillipa on February 14, 2007, at 21:23:14
> I had a pdoc once for years that was bilking medicaire unknown to me he used chloral hydrate never heard of anymore. They do use it for babies surgical proceedures and used to use it in nursing homes for the elderly. That was years ago. Love Phillipa ps be careful it is a mickey finn if alcholol with it.
It's basically a mickey finn without, its chlorinated alcohol in a a sense and rather outdated. There are plenty safer alternatives today to try before chloral hydrate.
Posted by randermin on February 16, 2007, at 10:00:40
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » Phillipa, posted by yxibow on February 16, 2007, at 2:26:06
Ive taken alot of sleep drugs but benzos or lunesta are the only tolerable ones that dont also tend to put me into some 8-hour ultra light sleep state. xanax or klonopin are easiest on restorative sleep for me. abien sucked for me. chloral hydrate was allright in the short term
Posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 19:39:22
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia, posted by randermin on February 16, 2007, at 10:00:40
You think lunesta 3mg is okay with l5mg of valium and .5 of xanax? Love Phillipa
Posted by steve59 on February 16, 2007, at 20:00:32
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » randermin, posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 19:39:22
> You think lunesta 3mg is okay with l5mg of valium and .5 of xanax? Love Phillipa
Phillipa I don't believe that combo would cause
any problems. I take 3mg of lunesta 20mg of valium
and 15 mg. of Remeron.
Steve
Posted by randermin on February 17, 2007, at 12:16:29
In reply to Re: Lunesta Ambien Sonata Rozerem for insomnia » randermin, posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 19:39:22
> You think lunesta 3mg is okay with l5mg of valium and .5 of xanax? Love Phillipa
for me that would be too much drugs, two benzos and a non-benzo... that's just me though. lunesta made me feel kind of sh*tty the next day. I did sometimes mix lunesta with xanax though, I don't know about two... but less was lunesta was better for me. I bit it 3mg in half alot.
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