![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 20 of 20. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by Maria3667 on December 12, 2006, at 17:45:16
Hi Folks!
Tianeptine is great for curbing my depression..... but it gives me the jitters so much I could be ringing Santa's bell for the rest of my life.
To counteract the anxiety my psy has given me some Ativan. But I'm weary of this because of the danger of dependence etc. So I'd rather try adding the anxiolitic Buspar (Buspirone).
Any thoughts, will this do the trick?
Kill off my libido?
Turn me into a big fat wobbling pudding? (yes x'mas on the mind)?Any ideas/thoughs/scientific explanations welcome!
Cheers,
Maria
Posted by psychobot5000 on December 12, 2006, at 20:56:37
In reply to TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by Maria3667 on December 12, 2006, at 17:45:16
It's hard to say--I believe Tianeptine has some effects on the 5HT-1 receptors, and definitely on serotonin in general, so it might interact in some way with Buspar. It's really hard to say how these two would do together, but I sort of doubt it would be dangerous. Seems like a reasonable thing to do to me--I just don't know how well it would work. Maybe you just have to try and find out, assuming its actually safe, of course.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on December 12, 2006, at 20:58:22
In reply to TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by Maria3667 on December 12, 2006, at 17:45:16
i gained a great deal of weight on buspar
also, when i needed it less, it made me too stupid to know i should stop
i am a big fan of xanax bc it is an on-demand drug i take very small doses when i need them.
Posted by psychobot5000 on December 12, 2006, at 21:36:25
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by psychobot5000 on December 12, 2006, at 20:56:37
I just checked an article, and it says Tianeptine has no effects on serotonin receptors (5HT), so I was wrong about that before. Makes it less likely it would interact or block Buspar. ...Still, the impression I get from most people is that Buspar does tend to have too many side-effects, and is mostly considered a milder drug than the benzos. But buspar might also be useful for depression. ...Still hard to say how it might work.
Posted by Maria3667 on December 13, 2006, at 7:42:24
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by elanor roosevelt on December 12, 2006, at 20:58:22
Elenor,
Any ideas why Buspar made you gain weight?
Does it give you food or sugar cravings?
How much Buspar where you taking and for how long?
Posted by liliths on December 13, 2006, at 18:19:17
In reply to TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by Maria3667 on December 12, 2006, at 17:45:16
Hi Maria
I use Buspar 22.5mg twice a day as an AD augment to my wellbutrin. It's never done anything for my anxiety but then again, besides some headaches, I didn't seem to have any side effects from it either... and believe me, if I'd known it could have caused weight gain, I'd never had touched it
goes to show you just how differently we all respond to the same meds
I've titrated off Buspar 3 x in the past 5 years because I wasn't sure it was doing anything and every time I felt a distinct increase in my depression
from reading the other posts, can't see that it would be a problem with tianeptine. What dose are you on?
I've considered trying it myself but dislike that I'd have to order it from overseas and not be able to use my insurance as I need all the financial help I can get.
Sure wish the US would get with the program with some of these drugs... sigh
good luck! If you decide to try it, please keep us posted
namaste,
lilith
> Hi Folks!
>
> Tianeptine is great for curbing my depression..... but it gives me the jitters so much I could be ringing Santa's bell for the rest of my life.
>
> To counteract the anxiety my psy has given me some Ativan. But I'm weary of this because of the danger of dependence etc. So I'd rather try adding the anxiolitic Buspar (Buspirone).
>
> Any thoughts, will this do the trick?
> Kill off my libido?
> Turn me into a big fat wobbling pudding? (yes x'mas on the mind)?
>
> Any ideas/thoughs/scientific explanations welcome!
>
> Cheers,
> Maria
>
>
>
Posted by Maria3667 on December 14, 2006, at 4:28:55
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this? » Maria3667, posted by liliths on December 13, 2006, at 18:19:17
Hello Lilith,
You use 22.5 of Buspar? This is an unknown dose for me. My doc's given me tablets of 10 mgs each which I'm supposed to use 3x daily (now in the build up fase, so only use 2).
Of Tianeptine I only take 2 tablets because more gives me the jitters. But maybe when the Buspar kicks in, I could go to 3.
So far the best effect of this combo is the perfect sleep (I have severe insomnia). And yes -sigh sigh - I'm noticing weight gain too. I'm however hoping this will be transient and will therefore give it a trial period of 2 months. I'm also noticing more constipation, so maybe this is causing the extra pounds? Trying to counteract this with laxatives...
Will update regularly.
Thanks for responding,
Maria
> Hi Maria
>
> I use Buspar 22.5mg twice a day as an AD augment to my wellbutrin. It's never done anything for my anxiety but then again, besides some headaches, I didn't seem to have any side effects from it either... and believe me, if I'd known it could have caused weight gain, I'd never had touched it
>
> goes to show you just how differently we all respond to the same meds
>
> I've titrated off Buspar 3 x in the past 5 years because I wasn't sure it was doing anything and every time I felt a distinct increase in my depression
>
> from reading the other posts, can't see that it would be a problem with tianeptine. What dose are you on?
>
> I've considered trying it myself but dislike that I'd have to order it from overseas and not be able to use my insurance as I need all the financial help I can get.
>
> Sure wish the US would get with the program with some of these drugs... sigh
>
> good luck! If you decide to try it, please keep us posted
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
>
> > Hi Folks!
> >
> > Tianeptine is great for curbing my depression..... but it gives me the jitters so much I could be ringing Santa's bell for the rest of my life.
> >
> > To counteract the anxiety my psy has given me some Ativan. But I'm weary of this because of the danger of dependence etc. So I'd rather try adding the anxiolitic Buspar (Buspirone).
> >
> > Any thoughts, will this do the trick?
> > Kill off my libido?
> > Turn me into a big fat wobbling pudding? (yes x'mas on the mind)?
> >
> > Any ideas/thoughs/scientific explanations welcome!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Maria
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by liliths on December 14, 2006, at 6:32:04
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by Maria3667 on December 14, 2006, at 4:28:55
hi Maria
I have Buspar 15 mg pills and I take 1-1/2 twice a day - 45 mg per day
have you considered adding magnesium as a supplement for the constipation? I've just learned it also supposedly helps with depression and anxiety. Constipation will definitely add weight to the scale as well as make you feel bloated and it's one vicious cycle if not taken care of, as once the stool becomes too hard, you run the risk of becoming impacted - no fun!
I supplement with 750-1000 mg per day - I'd recommend beginning with 500 mg
It helps my constipation without giving me any diahhrea or having any of the dehydrating or potential problems long term laxatives can bring with them
I'd also recommend drinking a lot of water throughout the day - and I mean a LOT, as well as adding fiber to your diet - more cruciferous vegetables, some prunes - even a fiber supplement. You really don't want to use laxatives more than occassionally. Even an OTC stool softener might help get things started
here are a couple of very interesting sites on magnesium for depression & anxiety I just got on the alternative board from JLx the other day:
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm
http://george-eby-research.com/html/dep.htmlI never noticed that it affected anything besides my constipation but I'm definitely going to look into it... anything that might help!!!!
do you live in a country where tianeptine is legal? if not, who do you order from and how does your pdoc feel about it? When do you take your dose and do you take it at once or divided?
I'm having to look into changing my meds and everything promising isn't available here. The US seems to want to make sure your meds keep you miserable. I think it has something to do with unhappy people spending more money
thanks for responding. I've been very curious about tianeptine.
and may I ask what other meds, if any, you take?
thanks
let me know if you try the magnesium and what you think :)
namaste,
lilith
> Hello Lilith,
>
> You use 22.5 of Buspar? This is an unknown dose for me. My doc's given me tablets of 10 mgs each which I'm supposed to use 3x daily (now in the build up fase, so only use 2).
>
> Of Tianeptine I only take 2 tablets because more gives me the jitters. But maybe when the Buspar kicks in, I could go to 3.
>
> So far the best effect of this combo is the perfect sleep (I have severe insomnia). And yes -sigh sigh - I'm noticing weight gain too. I'm however hoping this will be transient and will therefore give it a trial period of 2 months. I'm also noticing more constipation, so maybe this is causing the extra pounds? Trying to counteract this with laxatives...
>
> Will update regularly.
>
> Thanks for responding,
> Maria
>
>
> > Hi Maria
> >
> > I use Buspar 22.5mg twice a day as an AD augment to my wellbutrin. It's never done anything for my anxiety but then again, besides some headaches, I didn't seem to have any side effects from it either... and believe me, if I'd known it could have caused weight gain, I'd never had touched it
> >
> > goes to show you just how differently we all respond to the same meds
> >
> > I've titrated off Buspar 3 x in the past 5 years because I wasn't sure it was doing anything and every time I felt a distinct increase in my depression
> >
> > from reading the other posts, can't see that it would be a problem with tianeptine. What dose are you on?
> >
> > I've considered trying it myself but dislike that I'd have to order it from overseas and not be able to use my insurance as I need all the financial help I can get.
> >
> > Sure wish the US would get with the program with some of these drugs... sigh
> >
> > good luck! If you decide to try it, please keep us posted
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> >
> > > Hi Folks!
> > >
> > > Tianeptine is great for curbing my depression..... but it gives me the jitters so much I could be ringing Santa's bell for the rest of my life.
> > >
> > > To counteract the anxiety my psy has given me some Ativan. But I'm weary of this because of the danger of dependence etc. So I'd rather try adding the anxiolitic Buspar (Buspirone).
> > >
> > > Any thoughts, will this do the trick?
> > > Kill off my libido?
> > > Turn me into a big fat wobbling pudding? (yes x'mas on the mind)?
> > >
> > > Any ideas/thoughs/scientific explanations welcome!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Maria
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Maria3667 on December 15, 2006, at 15:49:30
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this? » Maria3667, posted by liliths on December 14, 2006, at 6:32:04
Hello Lilith,
Thanks for your extensive answer.
I didn't know they also make 15 mg tablets of Buspar as my doc only gave me tabs of 10. I'm currently taking 20 mgs per day and am supposed to work my way up to 30 mgs (if necessary). Tomorrow I complete my first week of Buspar.
The reason I don't want to quit the Tianeptine is because it's marvellous for depression and keeps the sex drive intact.
Yeah, I know all about magnesium. In fact I tried it as monotherapy last year (900 mgs of glycinate a day) and it worked fine as long as I wasn't confronted with stressful situations. And yes, it did give me very loose stools - so maybe I could use it to replace the laxatives. I already drink 1.5 to 2 liters of water a day - so that can't be the problem.
However, gaining weight seems to be my destiny whenever I try an anti-depressant... Especially when I combine two...
I've tried going monotherapy on Buspar alone... but I have Sjogren's Syndrome and it really aggravates the dry eyes and mouth to the point of total dispair. Now I'm hoping Tianeptine will counteract some of the cholinergic effects of the Buspar... mouth is dryer after a weeks use, but not as bad as last time. Maybe the drying effect is transient?
I have to order the Tianeptine from abroad, however my pyschiatrist is behind me because Sjogrens Syndrome limits the amount of tolerable AD's. To date there are none in my country that either don't work on the cholinergic system or do something positive for me. Believe me, I've almost tried the complete spectrum! The shrink is even trying to see if I can get some compensation from our health care system.
Spending more money when you're unhappy? To me, it works the other way round... When I'm in the dumps I don't give a hoot about buying!
I hope my reply is of some use to you? Feel free to ask anything you want!
My -very- best,
Maria
Posted by liliths on December 16, 2006, at 10:05:24
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this?, posted by Maria3667 on December 15, 2006, at 15:49:30
Hi Maria
[xxx] I think Dr. Bob prefers we not share that info on the forum... I'm not really sure but I figure it's easier to just do it in a way I know won't cause any problems :)
Honestly, it also sounds too good to be true... I'd really like to try it!!
I'd never noticed anti-depressive or anti-anxiety effects from the magnesium. Maybe I need to take more (already take 750-1000mg daily) or take a different type? I plan on looking into it since I take it anyway... it's very helpful for medication constipation
I know what you mean about the weight gain. One the first things that knocks a drug off the possibility shelf for me is that side effect... and most of them have them! Fortunately I take wellbutrin - one of the only ones I know that doesn't seem to do that. But I've been wondering about needing something else lately and tianeptine really does look promising
Keep us posted on whether the buspar helps your anxiety and perhaps the buspar/magnesium combo.
If you had to, would you be willing to try klonopin? It's been the only thing (besides opioids) that help me
namaste,
lilith> Hello Lilith,
>
> Thanks for your extensive answer.
>
> I didn't know they also make 15 mg tablets of Buspar as my doc only gave me tabs of 10. I'm currently taking 20 mgs per day and am supposed to work my way up to 30 mgs (if necessary). Tomorrow I complete my first week of Buspar.
>
> The reason I don't want to quit the Tianeptine is because it's marvellous for depression and keeps the sex drive intact.
>
> Yeah, I know all about magnesium. In fact I tried it as monotherapy last year (900 mgs of glycinate a day) and it worked fine as long as I wasn't confronted with stressful situations. And yes, it did give me very loose stools - so maybe I could use it to replace the laxatives. I already drink 1.5 to 2 liters of water a day - so that can't be the problem.
>
> However, gaining weight seems to be my destiny whenever I try an anti-depressant... Especially when I combine two...
>
> I've tried going monotherapy on Buspar alone... but I have Sjogren's Syndrome and it really aggravates the dry eyes and mouth to the point of total dispair. Now I'm hoping Tianeptine will counteract some of the cholinergic effects of the Buspar... mouth is dryer after a weeks use, but not as bad as last time. Maybe the drying effect is transient?
>
> I have to order the Tianeptine from abroad, however my pyschiatrist is behind me because Sjogrens Syndrome limits the amount of tolerable AD's. To date there are none in my country that either don't work on the cholinergic system or do something positive for me. Believe me, I've almost tried the complete spectrum! The shrink is even trying to see if I can get some compensation from our health care system.
>
> Spending more money when you're unhappy? To me, it works the other way round... When I'm in the dumps I don't give a hoot about buying!
>
> I hope my reply is of some use to you? Feel free to ask anything you want!
>
> My -very- best,
> Maria
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2006, at 15:32:04
In reply to Re: TIANEPTINE Buspar - any sense in this? » Maria3667, posted by liliths on December 16, 2006, at 10:05:24
> [xxx] I think Dr. Bob prefers we not share that info on the forum... I'm not really sure but I figure it's easier to just do it in a way I know won't cause any problems :)
Thanks, but using this site "to exchange information" includes not just posting information, but also posting requests for and offers of information.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please first see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by liliths on December 16, 2006, at 18:33:10
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » liliths, posted by Dr. Bob on December 16, 2006, at 15:32:04
sorry about that
namaste,
lilith> > [xxx] I think Dr. Bob prefers we not share that info on the forum... I'm not really sure but I figure it's easier to just do it in a way I know won't cause any problems :)
>
> Thanks, but using this site "to exchange information" includes not just posting information, but also posting requests for and offers of information.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please first see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by Maria3667 on December 18, 2006, at 3:15:36
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » Dr. Bob, posted by liliths on December 16, 2006, at 18:33:10
Dr. Bob, Lilith,
I hope it is possible to have discussions about medicines that are available in other countries, i.e. in Europe? I won't reveal my sources of course!
@Lilith: your question about magnesium: I think it only works in very high dosages but then you'll also have to add some amino-acids to make it work. In fact, I was on a whole regiment of supplements. I can't post it to you after work!
Concerning the Buspar: I've decided to boot it out. I was giving me grave constipation (even laxatives hardly worked) and I gained 2.7 kg in just one week! To make matters worse, it really aggravated my dry mouth to such a point where I now have an infection on the roof of my mouth. I think the combination of Buspar and Tia is however causing this. But the Tia does work for my depression so I'm reluctant to let it go.
So now I'm going monotherapy on the Tia and adding Ativan as an anxiolitic. Don't know whatelse to do in the mean time.
My best
Maria
> sorry about that
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > > [xxx] I think Dr. Bob prefers we not share that info on the forum... I'm not really sure but I figure it's easier to just do it in a way I know won't cause any problems :)
> >
> > Thanks, but using this site "to exchange information" includes not just posting information, but also posting requests for and offers of information.
> >
> > If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please first see the FAQ:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> >
> > Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
>
>
Posted by liliths on December 18, 2006, at 7:04:16
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » liliths, posted by Maria3667 on December 18, 2006, at 3:15:36
Hi Maria
I think it is ok if we discuss medications... after all, there are people on psycho-babble from all over the world. Many drugs not available in the US are available to them
I guess we just can't discuss where to get them... which is a shame, IMHO, as there are so many sites available, it would really help to know which ones provide a quality product
as an example, I recently ordered an oxycontin spray - not being able to find anywhere else, I ended up ordering something, which was NOT a nasal spray and I don't think should be used inside the body. You are supposed to spray it on yourself and people are supposed to be 'nice' to you. LOL I haven't tried that way yet, though I did spray it sublingually once and OUCH! it has alcohol in it which burned my mouth and it also has a taste which makes me believe that though it isn't listed as an ingredient, there is some sort of fragrance added to it.
It also didn't appear to have any effect on me. I was looking for something to use for anxiety... and this doesn't seem to be it
I mention this simply because I wish I could've found the correct source from someone who was using it
There are many sites for taineptine and I have every intention of trying it. I am becoming desperate for something that wil work for my depression without making me miserable with it's side effects.. that seems to be the going exchange rate for US meds.
But I do worry about the efficacy as well as the price of the site I will end up using
There are a lot of other drugs I have quesions about that the US seems to be dragging its feet on.. sigh
driving me crazy
thanks for the update. I think you made a wise choice to drop the buspar. As I stated, it never did anything for my anxiety, and ativan should work fine. I'm considering dropping buspar myself but it has seemed to help my depression in the past. Problem is, I've been so depressed lately, I think I need to make some changes... the buspar may not even be working anymore.
as I already take 750-1000mg magnesium daily to control constipation, though I'll look into it, I doubt I'll change it much.
good luck with the tianeptine/ativan combo. I hope it works well for you.
How long did the tianeptine take before you felt it? Have you upped your dose to 3 per day yet? Do you take it in divided doses? Can one purchase different strengths and if so, what strength pill are you using?
I can't see these questions being a problem as I am just asking you about your regimen, not where to obtain it :)
be well
namaste,
lilith> Dr. Bob, Lilith,
>
> I hope it is possible to have discussions about medicines that are available in other countries, i.e. in Europe? I won't reveal my sources of course!
>
> @Lilith: your question about magnesium: I think it only works in very high dosages but then you'll also have to add some amino-acids to make it work. In fact, I was on a whole regiment of supplements. I can't post it to you after work!
>
> Concerning the Buspar: I've decided to boot it out. I was giving me grave constipation (even laxatives hardly worked) and I gained 2.7 kg in just one week! To make matters worse, it really aggravated my dry mouth to such a point where I now have an infection on the roof of my mouth. I think the combination of Buspar and Tia is however causing this. But the Tia does work for my depression so I'm reluctant to let it go.
>
> So now I'm going monotherapy on the Tia and adding Ativan as an anxiolitic. Don't know whatelse to do in the mean time.
>
> My best
> Maria
>
>
> > sorry about that
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > > [xxx] I think Dr. Bob prefers we not share that info on the forum... I'm not really sure but I figure it's easier to just do it in a way I know won't cause any problems :)
> > >
> > > Thanks, but using this site "to exchange information" includes not just posting information, but also posting requests for and offers of information.
> > >
> > > If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please first see the FAQ:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> > >
> > > Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by sdb on December 20, 2006, at 20:47:28
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » Maria3667, posted by liliths on December 18, 2006, at 7:04:16
i don't think it's so bad to import if you're sure something could help you and it is not available.
-But always check drug interactions
-Take first at best a tiny dosage to be sure not to have allergic reactions
-Be careful of increasing the dosage too high
-if you buy online, check if it is a origin brand med or at least from a reliable generic manufacturer.kind regards
sdb
Posted by liliths on December 21, 2006, at 10:06:51
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved, posted by sdb on December 20, 2006, at 20:47:28
thank you for your suggestions
a little kindness goes a long way for me these days....
much appreciated :)namaste,
lilith> i don't think it's so bad to import if you're sure something could help you and it is not available.
>
> -But always check drug interactions
> -Take first at best a tiny dosage to be sure not to have allergic reactions
> -Be careful of increasing the dosage too high
> -if you buy online, check if it is a origin brand med or at least from a reliable generic manufacturer.
>
> kind regards
>
> sdb
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 23, 2006, at 10:58:50
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » Dr. Bob, posted by liliths on December 16, 2006, at 18:33:10
Posted by itsme2003 on December 27, 2006, at 11:53:20
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » Maria3667, posted by liliths on December 18, 2006, at 7:04:16
> Hi Maria
>
> I think it is ok if we discuss medications... after all, there are people on psycho-babble from all over the world. Many drugs not available in the US are available to them
>
> I guess we just can't discuss where to get them... which is a shame, IMHO, as there are so many sites available, it would really help to know which ones provide a quality product
>I'm going to try to keep this post in compliance with the rules about drug sources and only talk about ideas and not exact sources.
Just as dr-bob.org is a great source for psychological info, there are discussion forums on the internet that talk about ordering drugs from internet sources. I can't mention the names of the boards without violating the rules here. I can give you the following guidance about them.
Suggestions about discussion forums for purchasing drugs online:
1) Avoid any forums that require you to purchase a paid memebership.2) Spend lots of time reading the posts. Several of the forums are basically front ends for a few websites. They'll have lots of good things to say about a few places and lots of bad things to say about a lot of places.
3) Many of the posters on these forums seem to be mostly motivated by acquiring pain medication or other scheduled meds. You should look past that and seek out the good information that is contained on the site. There is a site that I have found that is an especially good source for this type of information. You can search an index of their known sources for suppliers of a specific medication and you can also search through their discussion forum to find out what the posters think of a specific supplier.
In general there is a huge variation in the prices of medication from internet pharmacies. As an example a couple of minutes searching showed the prices for Tianeptine ranging from $.50 per pill up to $2.00 per pill. The $.50 per pill calculates to $45.00 per month, which, depending on your insurance plan, might be what you have to pay per month as a copay on a brand name medication.
Again, I have tried to comply with the rules (I have a copy of them open in another window while I'm doing this post). I apologize in advance if anyone feels that this post violates the rules.
Posted by liliths on December 27, 2006, at 12:24:22
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved, posted by itsme2003 on December 27, 2006, at 11:53:20
thank you for the information.
I think your suggestions were well within the guidelines as you are simply helping people be informed and not offering sites
much appreciated
namaste,
lilith> > Hi Maria
> >
> > I think it is ok if we discuss medications... after all, there are people on psycho-babble from all over the world. Many drugs not available in the US are available to them
> >
> > I guess we just can't discuss where to get them... which is a shame, IMHO, as there are so many sites available, it would really help to know which ones provide a quality product
> >
>
> I'm going to try to keep this post in compliance with the rules about drug sources and only talk about ideas and not exact sources.
>
> Just as dr-bob.org is a great source for psychological info, there are discussion forums on the internet that talk about ordering drugs from internet sources. I can't mention the names of the boards without violating the rules here. I can give you the following guidance about them.
>
> Suggestions about discussion forums for purchasing drugs online:
> 1) Avoid any forums that require you to purchase a paid memebership.
>
> 2) Spend lots of time reading the posts. Several of the forums are basically front ends for a few websites. They'll have lots of good things to say about a few places and lots of bad things to say about a lot of places.
>
> 3) Many of the posters on these forums seem to be mostly motivated by acquiring pain medication or other scheduled meds. You should look past that and seek out the good information that is contained on the site. There is a site that I have found that is an especially good source for this type of information. You can search an index of their known sources for suppliers of a specific medication and you can also search through their discussion forum to find out what the posters think of a specific supplier.
>
> In general there is a huge variation in the prices of medication from internet pharmacies. As an example a couple of minutes searching showed the prices for Tianeptine ranging from $.50 per pill up to $2.00 per pill. The $.50 per pill calculates to $45.00 per month, which, depending on your insurance plan, might be what you have to pay per month as a copay on a brand name medication.
>
> Again, I have tried to comply with the rules (I have a copy of them open in another window while I'm doing this post). I apologize in advance if anyone feels that this post violates the rules.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 1, 2007, at 5:23:25
In reply to Re: medication that hasn't been approved » itsme2003, posted by liliths on December 27, 2006, at 12:24:22
> I think your suggestions were well within the guidelines as you are simply helping people be informed and not offering sites
I agree, thanks for respecting the rules. And happy new year,
Bob
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.