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Posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2006, at 21:12:00
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » Phillipa, posted by SLS on November 2, 2006, at 20:17:41
So you're depressed and can't sit still? If it is that's me. Love Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on November 3, 2006, at 14:32:52
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » Phillipa, posted by SLS on November 2, 2006, at 20:17:41
Might a small dose of Zyprexa help for a few days?
Ed
Posted by SLS on November 3, 2006, at 16:51:15
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » SLS, posted by ed_uk on November 3, 2006, at 14:32:52
> Might a small dose of Zyprexa help for a few days?
Another good idea, Ed. Thanks.
I'm on Abilify right now. Zyprexa would probably work better, though. I've had to deal with some family issues, so I haven't wanted to add back the Emsam just yet.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on November 4, 2006, at 14:35:57
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » ed_uk, posted by SLS on November 3, 2006, at 16:51:15
Hi Scott
Perhaps it might be safe to take a smallish dose of Zyprexa in combination with Abilify for a week or two?
Ed
Posted by tgo on November 4, 2006, at 17:21:34
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam./SLS, posted by lymom3 on October 28, 2006, at 13:12:34
I was on the patch for 3 days. The third day I was so tired I slept most of the day. I stopped at that point as I couldn't afford to not get work done like that. Anyone know if the tiredness goes away?
Posted by CrimsonVik on November 4, 2006, at 18:09:36
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam./SLS, posted by lymom3 on October 28, 2006, at 13:12:34
> I favored upper area above the breast or just reached over my shoulder and slapped it on my back. The small of your back isn't bad either but stay away from hairy spots :) Whatever adhesive they use is really not bad. It never hurt to remove the patch unlike the Daytrana patch. That one was horrible.
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> For certain wash and dry the area like it says. The patches stick great that way but will not stick for anything if you haven't "prepped" the area. Those suckers are too expensive to waste!
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>I tried to put my 1st on in the car at night. I took the wadded up mess off after I got home.
My Dr. gave me 20 samples the next day so it made the loss a little easier.Vik
Posted by CrimsonVik on November 4, 2006, at 18:20:48
In reply to Does Emsam tiredness go away?, posted by tgo on November 4, 2006, at 17:21:34
> I was on the patch for 3 days. The third day I was so tired I slept most of the day. I stopped at that point as I couldn't afford to not get work done like that. Anyone know if the tiredness goes away?
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I was sick and vomiting alot the first 24 hr. but as it began 3-4 days before Emsam day 1, I don't blame Emsam.
I thought I felt dizzy day 2 but mostly more energy, in spurts.
Vik
Posted by lymom3 on November 4, 2006, at 21:34:13
In reply to Does Emsam tiredness go away?, posted by tgo on November 4, 2006, at 17:21:34
I can't advise you but it is odd how meds effect everyone differently. I had such bad insomnia on Emsam that I had to quit.
Posted by corafree on November 5, 2006, at 19:16:29
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on November 2, 2006, at 21:12:00
If your mind is focused on thoughts of all you 'feel you should do', or 'want to do', and the depression and anxiety are preventing you from doing so (Bonus; You get to feel guilty too!), think benzo would be helpful. Maybe you are fearful it would cause fatigue. Maybe just lorazepam to take the edge off.
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Posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 19:17:16
In reply to Does Emsam tiredness go away?, posted by tgo on November 4, 2006, at 17:21:34
I've never taken EMSAM, but I know that for some, the first few days cause fatigue because your brain in making all those weird neurochemical changes! It happened to me on Straterra few about 3 days, then again when I increased the dose. I wouldn't give up yet. If doesn't go away, but there are no other adverse effects, you may ask about adding Provigil. I know the general consensus in that stimulants like Concerta or Adderall shouldn't be combined with an MAOI, but they might be OK as long as your very closely monitored.
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 19:35:50
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by corafree on November 5, 2006, at 19:16:29
Corafree why aren't you answering my e-mails? Love Jan
Posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 20:54:39
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » corafree, posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 19:35:50
Oh jeez...
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 21:54:53
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » Phillipa, posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 20:54:39
Sorry Jelly her computer sometimes won't let in e-mails. I also thought she might be at that EMSAM site she found. Did you see it. Is it in this EMSAM thread? I think it is and has some great reviews. Love Phillipa sorry about that
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 21:56:08
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by corafree on November 5, 2006, at 19:16:29
No it's another EMSAM thread. Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on November 6, 2006, at 9:55:54
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by corafree on November 5, 2006, at 19:16:29
My doctor didn't think it would be justified for me to try Emsam again based upon my description of how badly I reacted to it. I am somewhat relieved not to have to subject myself to that again. I guess I will be left wondering what would have happened were I to have continued with it. Unfortunately, I have been down that road a few too many times where I have continued with a drug that had made me feel worse, agonizing without success. I just don't feel like putting myself through that right now.
- Scott
Posted by Crazy Horse on November 6, 2006, at 11:22:49
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by SLS on November 6, 2006, at 9:55:54
> My doctor didn't think it would be justified for me to try Emsam again based upon my description of how badly I reacted to it. I am somewhat relieved not to have to subject myself to that again. I guess I will be left wondering what would have happened were I to have continued with it. Unfortunately, I have been down that road a few too many times where I have continued with a drug that had made me feel worse, agonizing without success. I just don't feel like putting myself through that right now.
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> - ScottUnderstandable.
-Monte
Posted by ed_uk on November 6, 2006, at 13:50:18
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by SLS on November 6, 2006, at 9:55:54
Hi Scott
What do you think you will try next? Tianeptine?
Ed
Posted by corafree on November 6, 2006, at 15:30:23
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » corafree, posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 19:35:50
Awakened w/ terrible cold. No kleenex so usin' TP, congestion, runny nose, sore throat. Should go to store and p/u daytime cold/allergy formula.
Feelin' a bit depressed re: ending relationship w/ IceCrea*Man. I know 'its right', but its damn lonely.
Pharm hasn't rec'd prior auth for Provigil yet, so awaiting call.
P agreed give the above a try @ visit Fri. Said take 75mg once or twice a day, whichever; & shouldn't take Valium down more than 5mg from 30mg per day, & keep Lyrica @ 75mg h.s.
I'm havin' such a hard time making decisions! What's the hel* is wrong w/ me .?. I used to know what I wanted/liked and vice-versa. Why can't I make up my mind about things?
Maybe Provigil will help me with this disoriented feeling.
Scott:
Worried U feelin' 'onstage' and 'afraid to let audience down' re: Emsam.
Do you need some 'breathing room' or is this thread (most rooting you forward) helping you?
I feel guilt at 'finding some sort of pleasure as you're taking my mind off myself' in sharing your personal experience w/ new pharmaceutical. (Sick borderline thinking.) The truth is, I want you to receive some much-deserved relief. I needed to share how I feel.
Phillipa:
So much going on and off. I do disappear 4 few days now and then, and you worry. (And, I love ya' for it!) You're always here when I need you. I don't know why, but sometimes I feel I need to 'just get away' from site, or I dive head first into IRL and it takes me a while to come back up for air! I'm here now tho'.
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Posted by corafree on November 6, 2006, at 15:51:47
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 21:56:08
> No it's another EMSAM thread. Love Phillipa
I'm confused P.
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Posted by SLS on November 6, 2006, at 17:39:37
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » SLS, posted by ed_uk on November 6, 2006, at 13:50:18
> Hi Scott
>
> What do you think you will try next? Tianeptine?
I've kind of settled on the idea of returning to Nardil and hoping that it might work this time in combination with nortriptyline and Topamax.I got hit with a wave of an intensification of depression today. I believe that this is a residual of the destabilization that Lyrica produced. It leaves me with some doubt as to whether or not the Emsam was responsible for the dysphoria and anxiety I experienced last week.
I am supposed to start Nardil on Wednesday.
I think I'll leave tianeptine for another time.
My spirit has faded.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on November 6, 2006, at 17:56:02
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by corafree on November 6, 2006, at 15:30:23
> Scott:
>
> Worried U feelin' 'onstage' and 'afraid to let audience down' re: Emsam.Sort of.
> Do you need some 'breathing room' or is this thread (most rooting you forward) helping you?I'm ok. I am conflicted, though. It is hard to be sure if I am making the right decision. I'm pretty sure I experienced a negative reaction to the Emsam, but without rechallenging myself with it, I can't be certain.
> I feel guilt at 'finding some sort of pleasure as you're taking my mind off myself' in sharing your personal experience w/ new pharmaceutical. (Sick borderline thinking.) The truth is, I want you to receive some much-deserved relief.Thanks. I appreciate it.
> I needed to share how I feel.
You are brave.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on November 6, 2006, at 18:05:10
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » corafree, posted by SLS on November 6, 2006, at 17:56:02
Scott I'm so sorry. And I know the feeling of not thinking you gave a med enough time. Does lyrica have some abnormal reaction for bipolar? No way you can know for sure if it was EMSAM or lyrica. I know you have a great pdoc and so much knowledge. Love Phillipa
Posted by KayeBaby on November 6, 2006, at 22:32:14
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » SLS, posted by Phillipa on November 6, 2006, at 18:05:10
Scott,
I am still taking the lyrica but when I have attempted to reduce the amount or increas the time between doses I felt awful. Depressed, negative thoughts and hopelessnes. Also a hungover ill feeling physically-headaches. Just ill.
just a fyi.
peace,
kaye
Posted by SLS on November 7, 2006, at 5:49:10
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam., posted by KayeBaby on November 6, 2006, at 22:32:14
> Scott,
> I am still taking the lyrica but when I have attempted to reduce the amount or increas the time between doses I felt awful. Depressed, negative thoughts and hopelessnes. Also a hungover ill feeling physically-headaches. Just ill.
> just a fyi.Hi Kaye
I'm sorry to hear that.
For you, I hope it is more of a short-lived rebound thing than the more extended destabilization thing that I think happened to me.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on November 7, 2006, at 14:01:25
In reply to Re: Trying Emsam. » KayeBaby, posted by SLS on November 7, 2006, at 5:49:10
Hi Scott
So has your doctor resolved his discomfort RE the phenelzine/nortriptyline combination?
Don't loose hope Scott. Hope is what keeps us going.
Take care
Ed
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