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Posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2006, at 21:38:19
Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
Posted by tizza on September 11, 2006, at 8:09:44
In reply to Botox for Depression?, posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2006, at 21:38:19
> Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.htmlPhillipa, that is just so bizzare hon. Do you think it could be a pharmacutical con job/push to make more money, I have to admit I smell a rat, and you wouldn't even be able to tell if they felt sad because their faces wouldn't show any signs of emotion, LOL. I call it permantely surprised Jane syndrome, how on earth could you look depressed when your face is set like concrete. hehe, luv ya Paul. you have to see the funny side of that one!!
Posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2006, at 12:49:41
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » Phillipa, posted by tizza on September 11, 2006, at 8:09:44
No I picked only one site on goggle and my Son mentioned to me as he watched a program on it on TV. I think it was CBS. I'll check and post that site. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2006, at 12:54:10
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » tizza, posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2006, at 12:49:41
Here's the other one of many articles. Love Phillipa
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=2003009&page=1
Posted by laima on September 12, 2006, at 21:17:37
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression?, posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2006, at 12:54:10
IT WORKS.
Posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2006, at 21:22:08
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » Phillipa, posted by laima on September 12, 2006, at 21:17:37
It does Did you Do it? Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on September 12, 2006, at 21:27:50
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » Phillipa, posted by tizza on September 11, 2006, at 8:09:44
And no need to set yourself in concrete. You can make ANY expression you want, if you go easy. Depends how much you use. People used to recently scoff at antidepressents and benzos using similar "pollyanna/Barbie" rebukes, too. Consider "frown" isn't exactly the same as "smile lines". It's also less invasive to inject an easily understood neutralized toxin into specific vertical facial muscles which frown (and the substance stays there) than it is to injest vaguely understood drugs which travel all over your body and BRAIN, affecting thought, mood, and behavior, I figure. At some 300-500$ for 3 months of effect, that's way, way cheaper than EMSAM, any day.
> > Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
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> Phillipa, that is just so bizzare hon. Do you think it could be a pharmacutical con job/push to make more money, I have to admit I smell a rat, and you wouldn't even be able to tell if they felt sad because their faces wouldn't show any signs of emotion, LOL. I call it permantely surprised Jane syndrome, how on earth could you look depressed when your face is set like concrete. hehe, luv ya Paul. you have to see the funny side of that one!!
Posted by laima on September 12, 2006, at 22:02:08
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » laima, posted by Phillipa on September 12, 2006, at 21:22:08
Ok fine!I was desperate and I tried it and it was easily the BEST 300$ bucks I spent in my memory. Not only did happy songs start through my head within 2 days, it made a colassal, I mean COLASSAL difference in my interactions with other people. (It takes about 5 days to set in fully.) As I looked less worried and "troubled"- it became much easier to relate to people, people approached me much MUCH more enthusiastically and warmly, and it all snowballed to the point where my social confidence re-blossomed at an astronomical rate. I went from "withdrawn" and invisible to "bubbly" and wildly (in comparison :)) popular within 2 weeks. I can't over-exaggerate. One happy, smiley encounter, lead me to me to smiling to myself, led to another.... led to me feeling good about everyone......No, not PC, not even fair- but I swear to *god* it's the truth. I got so little botox, at my dermatologist's, that you can't tell looking at me straight-on that anything has changed- it's just harder to frown or look worried- so my face is more apt to rest in "neutral" than in "worried' or "troubled". Ie, for vertical "furrows", the dermatologists usually recommend 25/30-50 "units" of botox- and I got some 20. They are very, very specific as to where they inject- it's not some over-all "deadening" of one's forehead. This was an expensive and desperate experiment, BUT IT WAS WORTH EVERY CENT. And no one, not my over attentive and critical mother, not my psychiatrist, no one-could ever tell, and it's been over a month! All I keep hearing is stuff like, "You're looking really good these days...how are you feeling? Things are going well finally? Things are improving for you? What are you up to nowadays? You look REALLY good! Have you been outside a lot this summer? Emsam kicking in?" (Smarky!) I told the derm, "I want to look less stressed"- and that's exactly what I got. Experimenting extensively with a mirror, I can see I can make ANY expression I wish, except for a hyper-exaggerated, theatrical style scowl.
If this ever gets official approval for depression, and people get "out of the pill box" to consider it, I say a lot of us will "win". My only complaint is that it will only last another month or so- it lasts just 2-3 months, less, if one uses less, as I did- and naturally, it's considered "cosmetic", so insurance won't pay.
I haven't been on babble much lately- my social life has picked up to point it's hard to keep up! I swear it's the truth!!!!
Fine- I fear, reckon and brace that this opens me up for open season of ridicule here on the Board, but I am condfident I did something super-powerful -and if a single other person benefits- it's worth it. I had given up all hope! And this was the fastest and most dramatic "turn-around" I ever experienced since my first go with prozac, once upon a time. I'm so happy with the result, I honestly don't even care if this brings on "open season" of naysayers--just like when I first tried prozac.
If anyone wants to try it- go to the best cosmetic derm you can identify I'd say- and don't blather on about being depressed- a responsable physician will obviously not administer "cosmetic services" to someone plausabley "unstable" or "mentally unwell". Say you wish to look "less stressed", and be realistic about your appearance during your consultation.
> It does Did you Do it? Love Phillipa
Posted by Iansf on September 13, 2006, at 0:00:25
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » Phillipa, posted by laima on September 12, 2006, at 22:02:08
Anyone who lives within range of Mexico could get botox injections a lot cheaper there.
> Ok fine!
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> I was desperate and I tried it and it was easily the BEST 300$ bucks I spent in my memory. Not only did happy songs start through my head within 2 days, it made a colassal, I mean COLASSAL difference in my interactions with other people. (It takes about 5 days to set in fully.) As I looked less worried and "troubled"- it became much easier to relate to people, people approached me much MUCH more enthusiastically and warmly, and it all snowballed to the point where my social confidence re-blossomed at an astronomical rate. I went from "withdrawn" and invisible to "bubbly" and wildly (in comparison :)) popular within 2 weeks. I can't over-exaggerate. One happy, smiley encounter, lead me to me to smiling to myself, led to another.... led to me feeling good about everyone......No, not PC, not even fair- but I swear to *god* it's the truth. I got so little botox, at my dermatologist's, that you can't tell looking at me straight-on that anything has changed- it's just harder to frown or look worried- so my face is more apt to rest in "neutral" than in "worried' or "troubled". Ie, for vertical "furrows", the dermatologists usually recommend 25/30-50 "units" of botox- and I got some 20. They are very, very specific as to where they inject- it's not some over-all "deadening" of one's forehead. This was an expensive and desperate experiment, BUT IT WAS WORTH EVERY CENT. And no one, not my over attentive and critical mother, not my psychiatrist, no one-could ever tell, and it's been over a month! All I keep hearing is stuff like, "You're looking really good these days...how are you feeling? Things are going well finally? Things are improving for you? What are you up to nowadays? You look REALLY good! Have you been outside a lot this summer? Emsam kicking in?" (Smarky!) I told the derm, "I want to look less stressed"- and that's exactly what I got. Experimenting extensively with a mirror, I can see I can make ANY expression I wish, except for a hyper-exaggerated, theatrical style scowl.
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> If this ever gets official approval for depression, and people get "out of the pill box" to consider it, I say a lot of us will "win". My only complaint is that it will only last another month or so- it lasts just 2-3 months, less, if one uses less, as I did- and naturally, it's considered "cosmetic", so insurance won't pay.
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> I haven't been on babble much lately- my social life has picked up to point it's hard to keep up! I swear it's the truth!!!!
>
> Fine- I fear, reckon and brace that this opens me up for open season of ridicule here on the Board, but I am condfident I did something super-powerful -and if a single other person benefits- it's worth it. I had given up all hope! And this was the fastest and most dramatic "turn-around" I ever experienced since my first go with prozac, once upon a time. I'm so happy with the result, I honestly don't even care if this brings on "open season" of naysayers--just like when I first tried prozac.
>
> If anyone wants to try it- go to the best cosmetic derm you can identify I'd say- and don't blather on about being depressed- a responsable physician will obviously not administer "cosmetic services" to someone plausabley "unstable" or "mentally unwell". Say you wish to look "less stressed", and be realistic about your appearance during your consultation.
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> > It does Did you Do it? Love Phillipa
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Posted by laima on September 13, 2006, at 0:35:23
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression?, posted by Iansf on September 13, 2006, at 0:00:25
> Anyone who lives within range of Mexico could get botox injections a lot cheaper there.
BUT- MASSIVELY IMPORTANT-----Can they demonstrate to you, show you the original, unopened vial that it is GENUINE unadulterated brand name Botox? This is not something to mess with possibly getting a scam product- that can be very, very dangerous- it IS "botulism"- and you want to be POSITIVE you have a practioner who knows their anatomy, too. The forehead is full of threads of muscles which go vertical, horizontal, and all other ways. My derm took a moment, as part of procedure, to demonstrate that this was a fresh, unopened vial of product-for me to examine if I wished. Scam products can cause coma, drift around, ie into eyes, cause "frozen Barbie/Stepford Wife look", or worse. My derm was reasonable- instead of flat fee per "area"- it was 13$ per "unit" of product. Just something to be cautious about.
Posted by fuchsia on September 13, 2006, at 3:10:41
In reply to Botox for Depression?, posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2006, at 21:38:19
Phillipa, while I had excellent cosmetic results the few times I tried botox I never had any change in my mood (although maybe sometimes I did when I looked in the mirror!)
fuchsia
> Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
Posted by laima on September 13, 2006, at 7:42:59
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » Phillipa, posted by fuchsia on September 13, 2006, at 3:10:41
-you do sign that waiver about "results may vary"...Also, I think it only works for depression for vertical furrows or "worried look" between eyes- nowhere else- and certainly must depend on a person's particular circumstances. I ended up looking much less worried (as I stewed to myself and screwed up my brow without realizing it at times) and much more approachable, less cranky.
> Phillipa, while I had excellent cosmetic results the few times I tried botox I never had any change in my mood (although maybe sometimes I did when I looked in the mirror!)
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Posted by Cairo on September 14, 2006, at 13:34:38
In reply to Botox for Depression?, posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2006, at 21:38:19
I can claim just the opposite. I had Botox injections, including into my brow area, for pain control, but it made my pain worse and therefore my depression got worse.
I wonder if those people who had improvement in their depression from Botox had pain issues which were helped by the injections.
Cairo
> Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
Posted by laima on September 14, 2006, at 14:03:57
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression?, posted by Cairo on September 14, 2006, at 13:34:38
Who knows? The original pilot study was very small- 15-30 people only- something like that, and the two researchers were on a news program that I watched. I was impressed with them. They were cautious to not claim they had a "cure", but rather expressed great excitement that the great majority of their test subjects experienced dramatic and rapid dispersal of depression which had failed to respond to drug therapy. They were interested in "microexpressions"- ie, notion that if one is chronically frowning, one feels bad as well as the the notion that an unfriendly looking person is less approachable, and often has a harder time socially. However, though pressed by the interviewer, they made no claims about by what kind of mechanism this phenomena was working out--but that they were very eager to do more studies.Also- I think that like drugs, not everyone will get the same response-and there are factors such as amount used, exact placement of shots, skill of administrator, etc. The people in the study had very, very furrowed brows- got the injections for vertical furrows, and you must know that the placement of the injections has to be very, very precise and individually tailored. There are a lot of thin little muscles all over the forehead: some move up, some down, some side to side---etc. I actually even learned that I appear to lack a particular muscle- the one that can crinkle the top of the nose--so it was very interesting. For the anti-depressent effect, the injections very specifically must be for vertical furrows- I have no idea if getting them elsewhere too would mess up the effect or not.
I actually lost my forehead tension headaches as well as my tendency to walk around looking worried...I am smiling a lot, lot more, look much more at ease, and keep getting a lot of comments such as, "You look great! Really healthy! Outside all summer? Things going well?" etc. I don't have any real wrinkles yet, nor was my brow permanently or even severly furrowed- I could keep smoothing it out with my hand- but with so much on my mind, it just seemed to chronically go to "scrunched" as I thought about stuff. I also got the newer "dilute" version of botox- it is supposed to spread more evenly and naturally into the muscle- so perhaps that is also a factor? And I only got 20 units as opposed to the "typically recommended" 30-50. (I'm in my late 30's in case that is your next question.)
Sorry it hasn't worked out for you.
Personally, I am thrilled to death, even a month later. I am also using Emsam- and have used selegeline or Emsam since January- so perhaps, by coincidence, it finally "kicked in" about 2 days after I got botox in August? But I actually think each is doing a "bit of the job".
As for pain issues- perhaps Phillipa's articles might touch on that? Or provide names of the researchers so you or someone else who is interested can google them up and get some more detail? The waiver I signed said "pain" for "about a week" typically, can be a side effect for some people.
(I note with irony, I never signed any waiver to swallow *god* knows how many expensive psychiatric medications loaded with side effects...)
> I can claim just the opposite. I had Botox injections, including into my brow area, for pain control, but it made my pain worse and therefore my depression got worse.
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> I wonder if those people who had improvement in their depression from Botox had pain issues which were helped by the injections.
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> > Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
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Posted by crazy777girl on September 15, 2006, at 9:33:44
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? » Phillipa, posted by tizza on September 11, 2006, at 8:09:44
I've kept mine a secret, I didn't want to appear frivolous, after all the money I spend on psych meds (that don't work.)
My daughter's wedding prompted me to try to erase my perma-angry look, and I know I gave it to myself, by the perma-frown I've had stuck to my face for the last couple of years, and I have no wrinkles elsewhere, too young for them, I guess.
I'm still bipolar, still take meds, they still don't work, but after the Botox - I had a lift that was almost spiritual.
I didn't read this article till today, and hadn't heard any of the reports mentioned here. I just assumed it was due to the removal of the anger and pain I'd permanantly etched on my forehead for me & all to see, as a forever there reminder of my otherwise 'invisible' condition.
As my most recent bout w/ treatment resistant major depression was triggered situationally, that line had a name on it, and I felt it being erased, erased an ugly, stressful part of my life that I could move on without.
My Dr knows my full medical history, all psych meds & conditions included. I do not suggest ever hiding any medical info from any physician. I also do not suggect cost-cutting when you're considering having something injecting near optical nerves that could cause droopy eyelids or possibly worse, if the Dr is not an expert Dermatologist or Opthamologist.
It's interesting that I came here today, only to find studies to corroborate my personal experience w/ my own (secret) Botox.
And btw - it doesn't freeze your face, anyone who says that just doesn't understand what Botox is or what it does. You can make any expression, it just prevents you for 3 - 6 months from scrunching up your eye area so tight that deep lines appear between them & permanantly furrow there.
Eventually you may be able to go as long as 9 months between treatments, if you continue maintenance.
The use of Botox as an adjunct treatment for depression is not being marketed anywhere, formally or informally. So no, this is not a marketing ploy, nor an off-shelf use. If you want Botox, you'll have to be a good candidate for it, unless you'd like to take the risk of going to a shady Dr.
Read about it the official Botox website, and don't take chances w/ your eyesight or worse.
I couldn't be happier. I would (will) do it again.
> > Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
>
> Phillipa, that is just so bizzare hon. Do you think it could be a pharmacutical con job/push to make more money, I have to admit I smell a rat, and you wouldn't even be able to tell if they felt sad because their faces wouldn't show any signs of emotion, LOL. I call it permantely surprised Jane syndrome, how on earth could you look depressed when your face is set like concrete. hehe, luv ya Paul. you have to see the funny side of that one!!
Posted by laima on September 15, 2006, at 10:10:23
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » tizza, posted by crazy777girl on September 15, 2006, at 9:33:44
Good point about not keeping secrets from doctors- I did so (somewhat) because there is that stereotype of "mentally unstable woman wants 'cosmetic work'"--and because my dermatologist's office literature recommends against cosmetic procedures for patients with "serious mental health issues or during a crisis". So I didn't want to waltz in and ask for "botox to cure my depression". Just, "I want to look less stressed". When the waiver asked if I was using any mediction, I wrote "selegeline/Emsam form"- but that didn't cause any alarm.
Another point about why not to bargain hunt with botox- I was thinking about how last year (or the year before?) there was a little crisis that the first vat of the botox was being depleted, so the company was hurridly working on perfecting their second vat, and getting that second vat thoroughly tested for safety and getting IT fda approved. So it's my understanding/impression, all of the vials of the brand name, genuine botox are coming out of these two completely tested vats- vat 2 now, I guess. They're not just cranking it out--so many of the horror stories are thanks to people getting bargains with homemade/counterfit botox which often hasn't exactly been neutralized of live botulism, is the "wrong" strength, etc. As for "frozen"- my derm related a story that some (unwell?) patients have been known to doctor shop during the few days it takes to "kick in"- getting themselves pathologically injected over and over and over again.As for "marketing ploy"--since one needs less and less botox over time if they use it regularly- wouldn't it be more profitable to push something that one didn't ever stop using?
Doctors are not exactly running out of uses for botox...
> I've kept mine a secret, I didn't want to appear frivolous, after all the money I spend on psych meds (that don't work.)
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> My daughter's wedding prompted me to try to erase my perma-angry look, and I know I gave it to myself, by the perma-frown I've had stuck to my face for the last couple of years, and I have no wrinkles elsewhere, too young for them, I guess.
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> I'm still bipolar, still take meds, they still don't work, but after the Botox - I had a lift that was almost spiritual.
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> I didn't read this article till today, and hadn't heard any of the reports mentioned here. I just assumed it was due to the removal of the anger and pain I'd permanantly etched on my forehead for me & all to see, as a forever there reminder of my otherwise 'invisible' condition.
>
> As my most recent bout w/ treatment resistant major depression was triggered situationally, that line had a name on it, and I felt it being erased, erased an ugly, stressful part of my life that I could move on without.
>
> My Dr knows my full medical history, all psych meds & conditions included. I do not suggest ever hiding any medical info from any physician. I also do not suggect cost-cutting when you're considering having something injecting near optical nerves that could cause droopy eyelids or possibly worse, if the Dr is not an expert Dermatologist or Opthamologist.
>
> It's interesting that I came here today, only to find studies to corroborate my personal experience w/ my own (secret) Botox.
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> And btw - it doesn't freeze your face, anyone who says that just doesn't understand what Botox is or what it does. You can make any expression, it just prevents you for 3 - 6 months from scrunching up your eye area so tight that deep lines appear between them & permanantly furrow there.
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> Eventually you may be able to go as long as 9 months between treatments, if you continue maintenance.
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> The use of Botox as an adjunct treatment for depression is not being marketed anywhere, formally or informally. So no, this is not a marketing ploy, nor an off-shelf use. If you want Botox, you'll have to be a good candidate for it, unless you'd like to take the risk of going to a shady Dr.
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> Read about it the official Botox website, and don't take chances w/ your eyesight or worse.
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> I couldn't be happier. I would (will) do it again.
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> > > Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000979.html
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> > Phillipa, that is just so bizzare hon. Do you think it could be a pharmacutical con job/push to make more money, I have to admit I smell a rat, and you wouldn't even be able to tell if they felt sad because their faces wouldn't show any signs of emotion, LOL. I call it permantely surprised Jane syndrome, how on earth could you look depressed when your face is set like concrete. hehe, luv ya Paul. you have to see the funny side of that one!!
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Posted by crazy777girl on September 15, 2006, at 13:51:25
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » crazy777girl, posted by laima on September 15, 2006, at 10:10:23
> Allergan puts a hologram on every bottle of Botox cosmetic, but the real concern is finding a good Dr. If you put the effort there - you have no worries about the quality of product used.
The official website explains the contraindications, and you have to sign a waiver each time you're injected, stating that you've read & understand them.
I'm now dreaming of the day I get a Rx from my pdoc for Botox injections & insurance actually covers it. I know - dream on. In the meantime - not looking mean & angry is good enough for me!
Botox is also being used for a host of other issues, currently not FDA approved, but successful nonetheless. It's being injected into sweat glands of people who sweat profusely, to stop the embarasment. It's helping women w/ bladder issues, people w/ migraines, Parkinsons, carpel tunnel, etc.
The future may hold some surprising applications for Botox.
In several months - I am going to be implanted w/ a VNS. I'm sure when it began its life as a tool for controlling epilepsy, no one thought it would ever be fully FDA approved for helping those of us with treatment resistant depression, either.
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> Good point about not keeping secrets from doctors- I did so (somewhat) because there is that stereotype of "mentally unstable woman wants 'cosmetic work'"--and because my dermatologist's office literature recommends against cosmetic procedures for patients with "serious mental health issues or during a crisis". So I didn't want to waltz in and ask for "botox to cure my depression". Just, "I want to look less stressed". When the waiver asked if I was using any mediction, I wrote "selegeline/Emsam form"- but that didn't cause any alarm.
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> Another point about why not to bargain hunt with botox- I was thinking about how last year (or the year before?) there was a little crisis that the first vat of the botox was being depleted, so the company was hurridly working on perfecting their second vat, and getting that second vat thoroughly tested for safety and getting IT fda approved. So it's my understanding/impression, all of the vials of the brand name, genuine botox are coming out of these two completely tested vats- vat 2 now, I guess. They're not just cranking it out--so many of the horror stories are thanks to people getting bargains with homemade/counterfit botox which often hasn't exactly been neutralized of live botulism, is the "wrong" strength, etc. As for "frozen"- my derm related a story that some (unwell?) patients have been known to doctor shop during the few days it takes to "kick in"- getting themselves pathologically injected over and over and over again.
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> As for "marketing ploy"--since one needs less and less botox over time if they use it regularly- wouldn't it be more profitable to push something that one didn't ever stop using?
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> Doctors are not exactly running out of uses for botox...
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> > I've kept mine a secret, I didn't want to appear frivolous, after all the money I spend on psych meds (that don't work.)
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> > My daughter's wedding prompted me to try to erase my perma-angry look, and I know I gave it to myself, by the perma-frown I've had stuck to my face for the last couple of years, and I have no wrinkles elsewhere, too young for them, I guess.
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> > I'm still bipolar, still take meds, they still don't work, but after the Botox - I had a lift that was almost spiritual.
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> > I didn't read this article till today, and hadn't heard any of the reports mentioned here. I just assumed it was due to the removal of the anger and pain I'd permanantly etched on my forehead for me & all to see, as a forever there reminder of my otherwise 'invisible' condition.
> >
> > As my most recent bout w/ treatment resistant major depression was triggered situationally, that line had a name on it, and I felt it being erased, erased an ugly, stressful part of my life that I could move on without.
> >
> > My Dr knows my full medical history, all psych meds & conditions included. I do not suggest ever hiding any medical info from any physician. I also do not suggect cost-cutting when you're considering having something injecting near optical nerves that could cause droopy eyelids or possibly worse, if the Dr is not an expert Dermatologist or Opthamologist.
> >
> > It's interesting that I came here today, only to find studies to corroborate my personal experience w/ my own (secret) Botox.
> >
> > And btw - it doesn't freeze your face, anyone who says that just doesn't understand what Botox is or what it does. You can make any expression, it just prevents you for 3 - 6 months from scrunching up your eye area so tight that deep lines appear between them & permanantly furrow there.
> >
> > Eventually you may be able to go as long as 9 months between treatments, if you continue maintenance.
> >
> > The use of Botox as an adjunct treatment for depression is not being marketed anywhere, formally or informally. So no, this is not a marketing ploy, nor an off-shelf use. If you want Botox, you'll have to be a good candidate for it, unless you'd like to take the risk of going to a shady Dr.
> >
> > Read about it the official Botox website, and don't take chances w/ your eyesight or worse.
> >
> > I couldn't be happier. I would (will) do it again.
> >
> > > > Have you heard of this? Love Phillipa Botox cures depression when injected in the brow area.
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Posted by laima on September 15, 2006, at 14:19:00
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox! » laima, posted by crazy777girl on September 15, 2006, at 13:51:25
> > Allergan puts a hologram on every bottle of Botox cosmetic, but the real concern is finding a good Dr. If you put the effort there - you have no worries about the quality of product used.
Hologram! Yes, now that makes perfect sense why they made sure I got to "inspect" the unopened vial. (They just made sure I saw it, seemed "routine".) Thanks for explaining...I didn't even think to ask at the time what that was about.
> I'm now dreaming of the day I get a Rx from my pdoc for Botox injections & insurance actually covers it. I know - dream on. In the meantime - not looking mean & angry is good enough for me!Me too! It's made an ENORMOUS difference for me, as well.
Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2006, at 19:45:39
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » tizza, posted by crazy777girl on September 15, 2006, at 9:33:44
Can you post the official website for botox please. Love Phillipa ps if the etching is on your nose where glasses sit will that work. Today I was asked why I looked so grumpy. Thanks
Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2006, at 19:46:52
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » tizza, posted by crazy777girl on September 15, 2006, at 9:33:44
You can babblemail me too. Click my name in blue and babble mail is there. Love Phillipa
Posted by crazy777girl on September 16, 2006, at 11:25:05
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » crazy777girl, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2006, at 19:45:39
www.botoxcosmetic.net is the official site for Allergan's injectible wrinkle relaxer. Let's hold out hope for the other applications!
As for a perma-ridge on the bridge of your nose - no. There may be injectible fillers a good plastic surgeon could talk w/ you about that would 'plump' out the area to smoothe it. I don't know that any of them would last forever, but there's a host of info on the net regarding Restalyne and other fillers & thier applications.
I'm not sure how safe or effective they are. My dermatoligist uses them, so I presume them to be safe in the hands of a good Dr.
My husband wore glasses all his life until his lens implants, and he had that perma-line there, too. Now that you mention it, I don't notice it on him now. (not lasik, he had cataracts)
Are you able to wear a lighter frame - would that help?
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ps I don't know what Babble mail is (or I don't remember)> Can you post the official website for botox please. Love Phillipa ps if the etching is on your nose where glasses sit will that work. Today I was asked why I looked so grumpy. Thanks
Posted by crazy777girl on September 16, 2006, at 11:29:12
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » crazy777girl, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2006, at 19:45:39
Phillipa - I mis-spelled the name of the other thing you were asking about. (not Botox) It's explained fully on www.restylane.com
Best of luck,
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Posted by Phillipa on September 16, 2006, at 21:02:06
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » Phillipa, posted by crazy777girl on September 16, 2006, at 11:29:12
Thanks but it's that line you're describing I want to get rid of. I've had collagen and retaland there and it doesn't work. I had lasix surgery on my eyes so don't wear glasses except to read. so I guess I'm out of luck. Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on September 17, 2006, at 1:28:54
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » crazy777girl, posted by Phillipa on September 16, 2006, at 21:02:06
I never tried restyline, but I hear it's lightyears advanced over collagen...and they keep working on those fillers. Try botox there? Perhaps a doctor could advise? In this day and age, they can do miracles cosmetically, I hear. And who knows what's up with myobloc? Has that been ever approved in the US? Like botox, but a different ingredient and "super-powered"? Laser smoothing...all kinds of stuff.> Thanks but it's that line you're describing I want to get rid of. I've had collagen and retaland there and it doesn't work. I had lasix surgery on my eyes so don't wear glasses except to read. so I guess I'm out of luck. Love Phillipa
Posted by laima on September 20, 2006, at 21:32:21
In reply to Re: Botox for Depression? YES, Botox » Phillipa, posted by laima on September 17, 2006, at 1:28:54
"Sculptura"?- dermatologist had a flip book about that in waiting room-
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