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Posted by blueberry on May 21, 2006, at 15:48:18
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Yeah, I would try to see a GP right away. Many of them can take you the same day you call or at least within a week. Explain the situation. If you have to, just go right down the yellow pages of the phone book.
In a tight pinch, you can boost the klono and take slightly smaller doses for a few days to stretch it out without missing any days. To do that, go the drug store or health food store and get some taurine and some gaba. The taurine will likely do the best job since it crosses the brain barrier, but gaba can help too. Taurine compliments the actions of benzos and gaba. People have even weaned off klono by using taurine. So in a pinch, you could stretch out the doses you have without missing a day by taking a little bit less than usual and taking as much taurine as you need to make up the difference. It won't be perfect, but it will be a whole lot better than going without.
Posted by jedi on May 22, 2006, at 3:49:50
In reply to Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 20, 2006, at 21:31:57
Willyee,
Show the ER doctor or any doctor that is treating you this abstract. It is very dangerous to quit clonazepam without a slow taper. Seizures can be induced even in patients without a history of seizures.
Take care,
JediPsychiatr J Univ Ott. 1989 Sep;14(3):484.
Seizure in gradual clonazepam withdrawal.
Wong T, Tiessen E.
Convulsions from abrupt clonazepam withdrawal in patients with a seizure history or concurrent neuroleptic use have been described in the literature. This is a report of a patient without these precipitating factors developing seizure despite "gradual" reduction of clonazepam by .5 mg every 4 days. The possibility of clonazepam withdrawal seizures should be kept in mind even in patients not considered at risk for developing seizures. Clonazepam cessation should be more gradual, even slower than .5 mg every 4 days.
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Case ReportsPMID: 2508139 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 10:46:16
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by jedi on May 22, 2006, at 3:49:50
Thanks for the responses you guys,wow its appreciated.
Im happy to say i had a friend come by who is on xanax 4 x a day and had more than enough to spare,in fact gave me a remainder of a bottle as she had more.
After all the advice i have given people to try to sway them from going down my road,i was worried i did it for nothing if no one could help me in a time of need,i dont usualy need anything,well i only needed a few tabs but im very thankful
Posted by bassman on May 22, 2006, at 11:03:36
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 10:46:16
None of us read that you got a controlled substance from another individual, luckily!:>} But I did think to myself, I must admit, "if willyee were within easy driving distance, and since I have extra Klonopin; and since we're all in this together, etc."
Posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on May 22, 2006, at 11:03:36
Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
Thanks for all the support!
Posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 2:35:24
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
Willyee,
So you made up that whole elaborate scenario just to see how people on the board would react? Call me gullible, I guess. You have way too much time on your hands.
Jedi> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
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> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 2:35:24
If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:32:25
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
My post began very serious and then lightened,so i am sorry for the confusion of anyone reading,its just in that time frame my state of mind changed a little so the direction of my post lightened as well.
Posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 12:44:17
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 12:58:56
In reply to I'm sorry for misunderstanding (nm) » willyee, posted by jedi on May 23, 2006, at 12:44:17
I don't even know why you said that, as I haven't read any of the other messages. I just wanted to say thank you for apologizing. It stood out, and made the whole board a nicer place.
Lar
Posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding » jedi, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2006, at 12:58:56
From what I gathered, it was a CYA move since someone suggested it is illegal to get certain drugs from a friend. That is how I read it anyway. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble for sharing meds either.
willyee, have you tried getting some meds from your pharmacist? They generally understand the seriousness of withdrawal and if you use the same store, they will know you have had these scripts filled and know doses, etc. My pharmacy has ALWAYS given me enough to get by if I run out for any reason. I switched docs one time and they were happy to give me enough to get by with confirmation of a new appt. They even once explained how certain folks could be liable if anyone had complications from going without meds. I'd threaten to turn in the freaking doc office unless they called in a script ASAP. They should know the seriousness of withdrawal and I'd make sure they know you are serious about filing a grievance if they don't call in enough until your next appt.
Good luck.
Posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 17:54:55
In reply to Re: I'm sorry for misunderstanding, posted by kimcrazylady on May 23, 2006, at 16:25:37
Well i seen the same Doc for five years,when she left in that week time frame i immediatly had a problem with staff,mind u in 5 years i never once called there in need of speaking in emergency to my Doc or anyone else.
Well as luck would have it a problem arose the week she left,for the first time i called in the office,and spoke to the offc MGR this being the first time ever i had even known there was one.
From the second she got on the phone she was EXTREMLY COLD,being a phone tech for over years i know u can tell how someone is going to act on the phone within the first few seconds.So of course she did not listen to anything i had to say,and to my grievnace her response was in almost the exact words .......WELL FIND URSELF A NEW DOCTER ELSEWHERE.
I was in total shock,five years there,never comming to them with a single issue and this is the loyality?Well without knowing the entire story she basicaly said shed speak to the referred doc and have him get back to me on my issue.
2 weeks later,2 days before my appt to see this new doc,yess he got back to me,how? In a letter saying he COULD not possably work with me after i had a verbal altercation with a staff member as they are there to aid him,and basicaly told me forget about the appt and to p- off.
I called there and told them thats fine but if they are gonna cut me off two days before my appt i would obviously need 30 days to find a new doc.So i went up and picked up 30 days of standerd meds,never actualy talking to the doc about what i needed,he i assume went off notes,i arrived to find the scripts at the front.
On my way out ironicaly i seen my old doc packing her car with boxes,she expressed howd she miss me,and i told her what had happened and she said part of why she was leaving was the dirtection the office was taking.Long story short(too late) my nearest appt with a spanking new doc would not be until well over a month,klonopin would be the only med id come up short,feeling ok at the time i dident caclulate just how short,and i dident think id fall into W/D so hard.
So i ran out of klonopin due to a miscalculation,not abuse,yet ER doc stared at me,and treated me while writing his 3 pill script of klonopin like i was some benzo gulping junkie.
I called the office but since my doc was totaly gone by now,i was not surprised to not revieve a call back.Thats what i get i guess for opening my mouth and saying i had a problem,i got booted.
I felt so angry when she basicaly told me to get lost at the first sign of a disagreement,i mean this is a docters office,her saying that made me even more firm in my belief that most doc offices dont care a thing about u,i just wish my doc even though i know she was busy leaving could have stepped in a little,but they would not even pass messages along to her saying she was not there on the clock and i should forget about her,she is not my doc anymore and she has nothing to do with my situation.
A very ugly experiance from start to.......well were not quite done yet!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by willyee on May 22, 2006, at 14:54:06
I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people- and when it's real, it can be a n.i.g.h.t.m.a.r.e., hell. Have you ever personally experienced this problem for real? "Irresponsable" or not, all kinds of things can happen to turn "pill shortage" into reality: theft, absentmindedness, taking too much impulsively, whatever. The drugs of the class are notoriously addictive, too. I don't think it's fair to automatically blame the sufferer or say they are irresponsable. Also, some unfortunate folks DO have to crawl to work without their meds at times, and some suffer heinously-whether or not they even make it to work. It sucks to flip out in the office or on public transportation, for example, to have no one believe you when you explain lost your bottle of pills (again), etc. Fortunately, when it happened to me, doctors believed me, gave me a re-supply, asked some questions. It happens. I would bet most people here who use benzos are aware of what they are dealing with, and there are plenty of genuine trauma stories on this board to educate anyone who might not have been aware, or who would like to learn more. Why add fictional "educational" parables???? Why, why are you so especially priveleged to do so? This board is for real, right? Sure hope so. Personally, I am newish here, trying to educate myself, and I hope it's from people sharing real, credible stories and insights and that we can learn from each others' experiences. I don't like feeling tricked. I went through losing a bottle of klonopin, and I didn't think it was funny, I don't believe it was anything of my fault- but that isn't even what matters. It was humiliating hell before finally being addressed and "educational fiction" feels patronizing. I can't exaggerate: HELL. I hope fiction or jokes don't happen here too often, for that would compromise the Board's credibility, and take people's attention away from someone having a REAL crisis. Thank you for your consideration.
> Lol of course im speaking in terms of "if it were the case" of course id never actualy run out of klonopin,appearently id be very irresponsable to do so.
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> I would not be on my feet and functional today paying my bills if the situation i described were REAL,it was just an example of what could happen.It would be quite scary.Just a tutorial to u good people to make sure u always have ur benzos cause there unfrotantly is not always mercy out there as there is here.
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> Thanks for all the support!
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !!, posted by willyee on May 23, 2006, at 8:30:08
At this point I'm confused and have no idea if you made any of it up or not, but the possibility of it is upsetting, and I think I'll go read something else.Best wishes.
> If you read the whole thread you would know whether or oot i made it up,have i had a history of comming here making up stories? In fact i usualy only stick to posts i might either have a contribution to,or question in,and that is Maois,but if it means my credability thats more important than any thing else so NO i surly did not make up a single word of anything i wrote.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:58:32
In reply to more Re: Unbelieveable - I GUESS SO !! » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:11:26
I think the answer is "yes" in reference to making up stories-and your reply to someone else who asked you the last time was almost identical to this one.
Posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 17:54:18
Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
> Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » bassman, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 18:31:58
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> Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
> something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
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> > Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
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Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more so i just would like to make that clear so no one believes otherwise.I watch him on this site when he is supposed to be doing other things,and have just read this posting.From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.
Thinking he was stronger than he was,he attempted to make it without,since he could only seek a new docter which he immediatly did,but that was going to be no short of six weeks,leaving him at best 2 weeks with no medication.
He posted a sincere post,he buzzed around it because in the post he wanted to share that he got help,a friend did step up and provide him with the benzos he needed until he seen his docter.Er which he spent all day in,did not,this had him terrified,he was happy to share the bad with the good and tell people he was going to be ok.
Again this all stems from the same post,the same thread on `05.
Replying to a old thread is fine,makes total sense,but im sorry if i come out wrong but it seems as if you display this situation as it being new,my brother is banned,and bassman answering this post even said "like last made up story"When he says that,he means just that,the last one,which going back to first base,was answered by will, that the reason he bounced around the post was in fear of actualy comming out and saying he recieved medication from a friend and not a docter.
Even though it wasnt his fault he ended up in the spot,not knowing the doc was leaving,trying to go to ER,etc,he still did not want to post openly he was using medication not prescribed to him,while at the same time he wanted to share to some people,bassman actualy,that he was ok.
Unless im mistaken,and please make this known to me without hesitation,you were involved in the orignal thread that took place on `05,which Will addressed this very question,and explained he would never flat out make a story up.
My brother was always on herE,posting and i seen a lot of them where he just basicaly answered questions.Why would anyone believe he would make up a random story for no reason,is this the impression he gave off,i ask this out of genuine concern.Anyway,again to close,the post in question was about a situation that happened in `05,one that i know personaly for a fact was terrifying for him,he did not make any of it up,and there still exsists a thread dated all in `05 where this is asked and answered,bassman you were apart of it and said some encourgaging things i saw.
Will is banned,there is no SECOND story,this post is in reply to the same story of `05,in which if im not mistaken the poster was a part of then too.I was surprised to see it show up `07,will posted a story about a situation very close to him,very close,im surprised how easly it seems his character would be questioned without even looking and seeing this poster is respondig to a long thread already spoken of and answered,and not being the case of a new story just made up,does any of this seem funny to anyone?
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:35:51
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
I was wrong now i that i look,u were not part of the orignal thread,but yess he did not make up a single word of the story,if anything couldent put the entire horror into words......again things being the way they are,he did not want to flat out state he got help from a friend and not a docter,sorry for the confusion.
I assure you however,it was not made up,it was very very real.
Posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:07:03
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by bassman on July 21, 2006, at 20:14:23
> Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
You mention that before you mention that there actualy was no second "fake story" and it was a lil mishap,would you want to be accused of faking a story when you dident at all,come on no one is trying to argue here,nevermind im so saddened it`s unreal.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2006, at 22:22:25
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » willyee, posted by laima on July 21, 2006, at 17:07:43
> I think it is mean to joke about a serious problem that actually does happen to people...
I think you were trying very hard to express how you reacted to the post you replied to. I hate to nitpick, however, I need to ask you to not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Regards,
deputy gg
Posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:50:16
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 22:07:03
> > Wow, what a coincidence-both you and your "brother" use lower case "i" and don't use a space after a comma. You'd think it was the same writer. Lucky we know better.
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> You mention that before you mention that there actualy was no second "fake story" and it was a lil mishap,would you want to be accused of faking a story when you dident at all,come on no one is trying to argue here,nevermind im so saddened it`s unreal.I plead with the group that no one responds,my intentions here are not to get anyone a warning or otherwise,willyee respects his block,and feels its deserved,i do not plan to post here,i just do not feel it right that the impression that a "second" fake story was given by him,when the issue of a first one was already addressed in a thread,i just wanted to clairify this,nothing more,as i seen it mentioned that willyee was posting his second fake story.
Has he not posted enough to justify himself at the least as serious.Has he never wished people the best,and always posted to them in opt to help them,why would he post a fake story.
Im most saddened by bassman who had sympathy for his situation,then all of a sudden replied to this poster about him having posted two fake storys,dont feel you felt bad for nothing,what you felt bad for was true,and i personaly know he has had friends call him screaming crying as they ran out of xanax and he drove to them to give them klonopin,willyee might be young and out of control,but his heart is genuine,and the bottom line is he cares for anyone who suffers this horrable disease,disagreements does not change that.
Please just let him,and his posts lay at rest.He does care what the people here think,and he was saddened to think some could believe hed make a second FAKE story up when he never made a firt one up,rather instead,as usual,used bad judgment in presenting it.
He also thanks garden girl and accepts her block to this posting as well.
Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 7:31:08
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable » laima, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:25:37
Dear Tymoney,
I thought I was replying to a current, '06, current period, post. I had NO CLUE there was another, previous post. I'm also less than a month on the board, and haven't caught on to all of the history and backgrounds (as you share) or all of the navigation tips and tricks. My apologies- I found the thread to be appalling (because it looks just like a made-up story by someone out to plain mess with people), confusing, and believed it was current. Surely administration can tell it isn't if it isn't. I wonder why they didn't remove the whole thread in light of what you relate? I'm still not sure I "get" all of what happened, but I do know what it is like to run out of klonopin, have also believed myself "strong enough" to "tough it out" (out of fear of telling doctor), and have also had it result in at least one nightmare emergency room visit - so I know how serious this is. I can see why he'd alter the details of his story. I'll try to find the old post, or if you have it handy and have a link, I'll review it immediately. Thank you for sharing. I wish your brother well, very sincerely.
Respectfully,Laima
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> > Thanks for your response and for the background info, bassman. I know I do have a fault of vascilating between gullible and suspicious, but I never expected
> > something like a made-up story on this board. I felt stunned, but I guess now I'm not surprised it could happen.
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> >
> > > Unfortunately, this is the second fictional story posted by Willyee (wasn't it the same story, basically?); and my reaction to the first one was very similar to this response-I felt like I had been concerned about someone only to find out that concern was misplaced. I agree; this board, IMO, isn't a place to toy with people.
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> Im the brother of the person in question,i have a valid yahoo account and myspace and much more so i just would like to make that clear so no one believes otherwise.I watch him on this site when he is supposed to be doing other things,and have just read this posting.
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> From what i gather,the orginal post,by my brother,was in 05,during this time,due to his docter suddenly retiring he was left short of klonopin.
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> Thinking he was stronger than he was,he attempted to make it without,since he could only seek a new docter which he immediatly did,but that was going to be no short of six weeks,leaving him at best 2 weeks with no medication.
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> He posted a sincere post,he buzzed around it because in the post he wanted to share that he got help,a friend did step up and provide him with the benzos he needed until he seen his docter.Er which he spent all day in,did not,this had him terrified,he was happy to share the bad with the good and tell people he was going to be ok.
>
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> Again this all stems from the same post,the same thread on `05.
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> Replying to a old thread is fine,makes total sense,but im sorry if i come out wrong but it seems as if you display this situation as it being new,my brother is banned,and bassman answering this post even said "like last made up story"
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> When he says that,he means just that,the last one,which going back to first base,was answered by will, that the reason he bounced around the post was in fear of actualy comming out and saying he recieved medication from a friend and not a docter.
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> Even though it wasnt his fault he ended up in the spot,not knowing the doc was leaving,trying to go to ER,etc,he still did not want to post openly he was using medication not prescribed to him,while at the same time he wanted to share to some people,bassman actualy,that he was ok.
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> Unless im mistaken,and please make this known to me without hesitation,you were involved in the orignal thread that took place on `05,which Will addressed this very question,and explained he would never flat out make a story up.
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> My brother was always on herE,posting and i seen a lot of them where he just basicaly answered questions.Why would anyone believe he would make up a random story for no reason,is this the impression he gave off,i ask this out of genuine concern.
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> Anyway,again to close,the post in question was about a situation that happened in `05,one that i know personaly for a fact was terrifying for him,he did not make any of it up,and there still exsists a thread dated all in `05 where this is asked and answered,bassman you were apart of it and said some encourgaging things i saw.
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> Will is banned,there is no SECOND story,this post is in reply to the same story of `05,in which if im not mistaken the poster was a part of then too.I was surprised to see it show up `07,will posted a story about a situation very close to him,very close,im surprised how easly it seems his character would be questioned without even looking and seeing this poster is respondig to a long thread already spoken of and answered,and not being the case of a new story just made up,does any of this seem funny to anyone?
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Posted by laima on July 22, 2006, at 7:43:27
In reply to Re: Unbelieveable, posted by Tymoney on July 21, 2006, at 19:35:51
Again,
I believe you, and oh yes- I sure can relate to benzo snafus, withdrawal paranoaia, and what can happen when you try to explain to a doctor. It's sure no joke. I myself once ended up in a locked psychiatric ward for over a week because they plain decided that I must've swallowed all of the pills as a suicide atttempt- when nothing could have been further from the truth. I've never had to explain anything like taking someone else's meds, but I can only imagine how they'd react to that. I can understand if your brother was afraid to post exactly the facts as they happened. Again, very sorry to read what you have to say and share about the background of the thread I reacted to. The post just looked very radically different from what you've just explained. Any chance he'd be let back on the board, maybe with a new name, if he talked over the matter with Dr. Bob? Or perhaps you've likely already been through this. My sincerest apologies and well wishes.
> I was wrong now i that i look,u were not part of the orignal thread,but yess he did not make up a single word of the story,if anything couldent put the entire horror into words......again things being the way they are,he did not want to flat out state he got help from a friend and not a docter,sorry for the confusion.
>
> I assure you however,it was not made up,it was very very real.
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