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Posted by Tom Twilight on June 30, 2006, at 14:06:01
Hey everyone
I feel like I'm taking a lot from the board at the moment and not giving much in return.
That aside I'm wondering if anyone has any idea as to why I'm experiencing the mornings as being so unpleasant.
I always feel terrible first thing in the morning, and have great difficulty getting out of bed.
I generally feel Yucky and can't think straight for at least a few hours after getting up.Conversly evenings are the best part of my day, I feel much more energetic and optomistic during the evening.
Does anyone have any idea why this is?
Posted by kimcrazylady on June 30, 2006, at 15:34:21
In reply to Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by Tom Twilight on June 30, 2006, at 14:06:01
> Hey everyone
>
> I feel like I'm taking a lot from the board at the moment and not giving much in return.
>
> That aside I'm wondering if anyone has any idea as to why I'm experiencing the mornings as being so unpleasant.
> I always feel terrible first thing in the morning, and have great difficulty getting out of bed.
> I generally feel Yucky and can't think straight for at least a few hours after getting up.
>
> Conversly evenings are the best part of my day, I feel much more energetic and optomistic during the evening.
> Does anyone have any idea why this is?I've been gone a week and it feels like forever. So much reading to do!
I am the same exact way. I really wish I had an explanation for you, but I want to say you are not alone. I hate mornings and each day I struggle, but by late evening I am much better. I swear mine has to do with my biological clock and with Parnate, but I have no proof.
Hopefully, someone will be able to explain this to us.
Kim
Posted by saturn on June 30, 2006, at 16:35:18
In reply to Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by Tom Twilight on June 30, 2006, at 14:06:01
I'm the same way. A sleep specialist said I have "delayed sleep phase syndrome", a form of circadian rhythm disorder. It, along with my sensitivity to sun, make me pretty close to a vampire (just haven't got into the blood thing, yet).
;)
Posted by Jost on June 30, 2006, at 20:43:38
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good » Tom Twilight, posted by saturn on June 30, 2006, at 16:35:18
That's my pattern too.
My pdoc said that it's common in depression-- but I also have some form of DSPS, which was much worse after I started Parnate, and which hasn't gotten much better since I stopped (about a year and a half ago).
My worst times are after I get up until late afternoon/early evening. By 10 pm I feel clearest and most energized.
Not the most practical times.
Jost
Posted by cecilia on June 30, 2006, at 22:24:09
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good » Tom Twilight, posted by saturn on June 30, 2006, at 16:35:18
I think it has something to do with cortisol. I've had this problem my whole life. Delayed sleep phase syndrome , definitely a factor, but that's controllable if you can work evenings or nights, which I pretty much have most of my life The part that isn't controllable for me is the extreme difficulty getting to sleep, it doesn't matter how late it is or how little sleep I've had the night before, and the overwhelming, excruciating emotional pain upon awakening, regardless of whether it's early with an alarm clock or late when I wake up naturally. Cecilia
Posted by Phillipa on June 30, 2006, at 23:09:09
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by kimcrazylady on June 30, 2006, at 15:34:21
Me too. My pdoc said it is a classic sign of depression. Love Phillipa
Posted by mike lynch on July 1, 2006, at 16:57:28
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by Phillipa on June 30, 2006, at 23:09:09
same thing for me, evenings and the night time are definitely the highlight for me
Posted by bassman on July 1, 2006, at 17:20:45
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by mike lynch on July 1, 2006, at 16:57:28
It's so characterstic of depression that it is often used to differentiate between physical and mental ills: if you feel good in the morning and feel progressively worse during the day, it's probably physical. Old school pdoc stuff.
Posted by KayeBaby on July 2, 2006, at 19:42:55
In reply to Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by Tom Twilight on June 30, 2006, at 14:06:01
> Hey everyone
>
> I feel like I'm taking a lot from the board at the moment and not giving much in return.
>
> That aside I'm wondering if anyone has any idea as to why I'm experiencing the mornings as being so unpleasant.
> I always feel terrible first thing in the morning, and have great difficulty getting out of bed.
> I generally feel Yucky and can't think straight for at least a few hours after getting up.
>
> Conversly evenings are the best part of my day, I feel much more energetic and optomistic during the evening.
> Does anyone have any idea why this is?
Hi Tom,
Every one of your posts have had me nodding my head in agreement. I have very similar problems.
Mornings are awful! I feel better as the day progresses and evenings are always when I am at my best.
I am a hairstylist by trade and work in the evenings.
I take dexedrine, wellbutrin sr. and lyrica at the moment and have been doing pretty well on this combo till just recently. I think the lyrica is losing effectiveness and the Wellbutrin as well.I tend to have to cycle my meds regularly as my brain seems to become immune to my meds within 4-8 months. So about the time I have found a good regime it all crashes on me and I have to start over.
All of that said, I have found that I am unable to function at any meaningful level without stims. Which, when I think of it it has always been true to a degree. It seems worse now as I have aged, have a child and no tolerence for laying around all day. I guess since I am aware of how it feels to be able to function normally and being that I have many responsibilities I just will not accept it.
Rambling........
Kaye
Posted by Karen44 on July 2, 2006, at 23:24:00
In reply to Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by Tom Twilight on June 30, 2006, at 14:06:01
> Hey everyone
>
> I feel like I'm taking a lot from the board at the moment and not giving much in return.
>
> That aside I'm wondering if anyone has any idea as to why I'm experiencing the mornings as being so unpleasant.
> I always feel terrible first thing in the morning, and have great difficulty getting out of bed.
> I generally feel Yucky and can't think straight for at least a few hours after getting up.
>
> Conversly evenings are the best part of my day, I feel much more energetic and optomistic during the evening.
> Does anyone have any idea why this is?As has been posted by others, I have felt the same and was on Parnate, but I took all 40 mg. in the a.m. and so I know it wasn't from the Parnate that I started feeling better by 10:30 p.m. and wante to stay up until oh probably 4 or 5 a.m. and then go to bed and sleep until late afternoon. Problem is I have a job that requires me to be at work at 8 a.m., and so going to sleep at around 2 or 3 a.m. and getting up at 6 a.m. was not so great. I was like this prior to Parnate. In my way of thinking, it is a sign of depressiona and has to do for me with night being a more quiet time, less hustle and bustle. But night time is also associated with death and despair. Sometimes quiet despair is more comfortable than noisy struggle. Just a thought.
Karen
Posted by Tom Twilight on July 3, 2006, at 9:43:12
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by Karen44 on July 2, 2006, at 23:24:00
Hey everyone just wanted to say a quick thanks for the responses I've got!
To be honest the Morning/Evening thing is somewhat innate for me, I've always had a hard time in the mornings.
Just more so when I'm depressed
Posted by mayzee on July 4, 2006, at 13:58:58
In reply to Thanks for response Everyone!, posted by Tom Twilight on July 3, 2006, at 9:43:12
A few days ago, nickguy posted this:
Interesting article about sleep and Depression
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Understanding_Depression/understanding.htmIt talks about depressed people "overdreaming" - too much REM sleep and not enough deep sleep.
"So if you are over-dreaming you're not resting but flooding your system with adrenaline and other stress hormones. If most of your sleep consists of dreams, your body and mind will begin to feel very tired during the day. Depressed people often report that the worst time of day is first thing in the morning.
Sometimes a depressed person may start waking up early in the morning and not be able to get back to sleep. This may be a way of the body trying to cut down on over-dreaming in order to try and lift depression.
This depletion is also why depressed people often feel at their worst first thing in the morning.
As the day progresses, their hormones replenish themselves and their energy levels increase, and they are better able to motivate themselves."
Posted by pulse on July 5, 2006, at 2:13:38
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by mayzee on July 4, 2006, at 13:58:58
i have the same pattern, but i have to disagree that all depressives do. my own mother was a great in am, couldn't wait for bedtime depressive. i know of many others just like her.
i liked but couldn't relate at all to the book 'noonday demon,' far as the noonday part.
i do think it has do to with our very individual circadian rhythms.
thanks for the link. i will check out the entire site, too.
pulse
Posted by pulse on July 5, 2006, at 2:18:36
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good, posted by mayzee on July 4, 2006, at 13:58:58
perhaps many depressives over-dream, but it's not usual if they also have ptsd. this has now been proven, but i've known it's true for many years.
in contrast, ptsd-ers with mostly anxiety do over-dream.
pulse
Posted by mayzee on July 5, 2006, at 20:44:48
In reply to Re: Mornings Bad-Evenings Good » mayzee, posted by pulse on July 5, 2006, at 2:18:36
My depression has always included hypersomnia and fatigue ... sleeping soooo much and never feeling rested. So I've wondered if I wasn't getting the "right" kind of sleep. I haven't had the energy to research it though. That's why that link about over-dreaming was of interest to me.
Funny thing for me is I almost never remember my dreams. (I've been told that that doesn't mean I'm not dreaming though)
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