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Posted by ace on June 19, 2006, at 23:36:03
After being on 60mg for a good few weeks, after two days 90mg, I can definately feel pleasent sensations in my brain!!!!!!
Now, i can't be too excited , cause tolerance may build as it has in the past....
I'm also suffering from a weird psychical problem...anyone can relate?: it's basically during some days, I feel that I have something in my mind that i have forgotten to do....you know, that nagging feeling of a lost memory....but, the thing is, their is no lost memory! i havent forgotten anything!
It's an uncomfortable feeling.....
Posted by curtm on June 20, 2006, at 10:11:45
In reply to It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by ace on June 19, 2006, at 23:36:03
> After being on 60mg for a good few weeks, after two days 90mg, I can definately feel pleasent sensations in my brain!!!!!!
>90mg of what? sugar? caffiene? sodium chloride?
> Now, i can't be too excited , cause tolerance may build as it has in the past....
>I think that happens to me really bad. If a med is supposed to take a week to kick in, I'll feel it within 24 hrs. Then my body and mind quickly adjust to the changes to counteract the changes. My brain must want to stay the way it is.
> I'm also suffering from a weird psychical problem...anyone can relate?: it's basically during some days, I feel that I have something in my mind that i have forgotten to do....you know, that nagging feeling of a lost memory....but, the thing is, their is no lost memory! i havent forgotten anything!
>
> It's an uncomfortable feeling.....
>I do get that feeling a lot whether I'm high or low. I've been trying to figure it out myself. Once I thought it was just boredom...but then I didn't want to do anything anyway.
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2006, at 11:52:43
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by curtm on June 20, 2006, at 10:11:45
Ace the nardil champ is on his way back. Love Phillipa
Posted by naughtypuppy on June 20, 2006, at 15:20:41
In reply to It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by ace on June 19, 2006, at 23:36:03
> After being on 60mg for a good few weeks, after two days 90mg, I can definately feel pleasent sensations in my brain!!!!!!
>
> Now, i can't be too excited , cause tolerance may build as it has in the past....
>
> I'm also suffering from a weird psychical problem...anyone can relate?: it's basically during some days, I feel that I have something in my mind that i have forgotten to do....you know, that nagging feeling of a lost memory....but, the thing is, their is no lost memory! i havent forgotten anything!
>
> It's an uncomfortable feeling.....
>
I just went up to 60mg a week ago and I feel like I've forgotten pretty well everything. I'm up there on some other planet with Captain Kirk and Luke Skywalker. I also have a decreased appitite, though not as much as Parnate. We're rooting for you Ace!!!
>
Posted by willyee on June 20, 2006, at 16:01:16
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by curtm on June 20, 2006, at 10:11:45
> > After being on 60mg for a good few weeks, after two days 90mg, I can definately feel pleasent sensations in my brain!!!!!!
> >
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> 90mg of what? sugar? caffiene? sodium chloride?
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> > Now, i can't be too excited , cause tolerance may build as it has in the past....
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> I think that happens to me really bad. If a med is supposed to take a week to kick in, I'll feel it within 24 hrs. Then my body and mind quickly adjust to the changes to counteract the changes. My brain must want to stay the way it is.I thought about this exact thing,a few things that come to mind are,
A Could it be the opposite,that the drug pentatrates the brain,it being a new drug it catches the brain off guard and gets to work a while,HOWEVER the brain,like the body,soon notices there is a foreign substance in it,and fights it,so its the brain thinking its being harmed and fighting off any foriegn substances as the body fights off stuff.
B. I dont know the reliability of this,BUT i once heard a interesting comment,someone somewhere said the bodys liver will create anti enzymes for a substance that it deems unnatural to the body,therefore decreasing its effectivness and of course creating a tolerance issue.Consistency of a drug is always a problem for me as well.
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> > I'm also suffering from a weird psychical problem...anyone can relate?: it's basically during some days, I feel that I have something in my mind that i have forgotten to do....you know, that nagging feeling of a lost memory....but, the thing is, their is no lost memory! i havent forgotten anything!
> >
> > It's an uncomfortable feeling.....
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> I do get that feeling a lot whether I'm high or low. I've been trying to figure it out myself. Once I thought it was just boredom...but then I didn't want to do anything anyway.
Posted by linkadge on June 20, 2006, at 16:58:15
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by willyee on June 20, 2006, at 16:01:16
I like the term 'brain disabling treatments'. The idea that the disruption of normal neuronal functioning is most responsable for the theraputic effect.
Linkadge
Posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 22:54:00
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by linkadge on June 20, 2006, at 16:58:15
> I like the term 'brain disabling treatments'. The idea that the disruption of normal neuronal functioning is most responsable for the theraputic effect.
>
> LinkadgeThat's Peter Breggin, and I disagree...he puts forth an argument which is simplistic and does not conform to medical logic.
At base this is a philosophical question but.
I don't think normal neuronal functioning is having illusions, OCD, severe depression etc
I believe, at base, everyone is born with a generally similaiar neuronal make up...but some have a stronger, more resiliant neuronal make-up, if you get my gist (just as others are taller, shorter, have broader shoulders etc)
These beings are fortunate in that their stronger neuronal make-up is the genisis for resisting changes in their biochemistry when a trauma occurs
the persons with a less robust, 'stronger glued together' biochemical make up (of the brain) are not so lucky...they are just waiting for a trauma to set of abnormal changes, whether it be abberant firing, re-uptake pump changes, ionic transport across membrane....blah blah blah
Posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 23:14:24
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by naughtypuppy on June 20, 2006, at 15:20:41
> > After being on 60mg for a good few weeks, after two days 90mg, I can definately feel pleasent sensations in my brain!!!!!!
> >
> > Now, i can't be too excited , cause tolerance may build as it has in the past....
> >
> > I'm also suffering from a weird psychical problem...anyone can relate?: it's basically during some days, I feel that I have something in my mind that i have forgotten to do....you know, that nagging feeling of a lost memory....but, the thing is, their is no lost memory! i havent forgotten anything!
> >
> > It's an uncomfortable feeling.....
> >
> I just went up to 60mg a week ago and I feel like I've forgotten pretty well everything. I'm up there on some other planet with Captain Kirk and Luke Skywalker. I also have a decreased appitite, though not as much as Parnate. We're rooting for you Ace!!!
Thanks so much!!!!!!!Really appreciate your sentiments!
Take Care,
Ace
Posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 23:15:01
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2006, at 11:52:43
> Ace the nardil champ is on his way back. Love Phillipa
Sure am!!!!!!! ha ha!
u rule!
andrew
Posted by naughtypuppy on June 21, 2006, at 4:12:28
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » naughtypuppy, posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 23:14:24
Since you're the Nardil king, maybe if this works out I can be a Knardil Knight!!!
Posted by jedi on June 21, 2006, at 5:04:57
In reply to It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by ace on June 19, 2006, at 23:36:03
> I'm also suffering from a weird psychical problem...anyone can relate?: it's basically during some days, I feel that I have something in my mind that i have forgotten to do....you know, that nagging feeling of a lost memory....but, the thing is, their is no lost memory! i havent forgotten anything!
>
> It's an uncomfortable feeling.....
>Hi Ace,
Didn't you relate in the past that you had problems with OCD?
Here are some definitions from the Understanding Obsessive Compulsive Disorder web site. Maybe these nagging feelings of a lost memory are obsessional thoughts.
Take care,
Jedihttp://understanding_ocd.tripod.com/index.html
A DEFINITION OF OBSESSIONS.
These are recurrent, persistent and unwanted thoughts that cause the person much anxiety/distress.
Besides coming under the form of thoughts, they can also be images or impulses that will repeat themselves and are experienced to be unwanted, intrusive and inappropriate.
The person feels overwhelmed by the obsessions as they seem to intrude in every aspect of their thinking and are very disturbing thus triggering much anxiety and discomfort.
They will try hard to suppress the thought/images/impulses and/or try to "neutralize" them by other thoughts or specific actions.
They do realize the thought to be a product of their own mind, although with children it can be they sense it to be "a voice" that is telling them to do bad things.
The Obsessions and what they stand for are often in harsh contrast with the person's own convictions and beliefs which makes their impact only greater.
Obsessions are accompanied by uncomfortable feelings or wanting things to be done "Just Right".
What is Meant by People Who Are Pure "O"'s?
Some people who suffer from OCD are referred to as being pure "O's", meaning that they mainly or solely seem to suffer from Obsessions. But some professionals will see part of these obsessions as compulsions which are performed on a cerebral level only. These mental rituals as you wish, mean a person will for example check their thoughts, count their thoughts, their thoughts will have to feel "Just right", like you see with Compulsions.So a ritual/compulsions can be executed mentally and like the physical ones, are trying to relieve the anxiety. The Obsession itself is what happens on a mental level which actually tends to trigger the anxiety, often starting the entire OCD- cycle. So 1 is upsetting because they take away the persons feeling of control while the other mental/physical rituals try to create that control we all want so badly.
Posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2006, at 22:20:32
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » Phillipa, posted by ace on June 20, 2006, at 23:15:01
Ace am I still your Queen and you my King Ace the nardil champ!!!!!!Love Phillipa
Posted by willyee on June 22, 2006, at 0:02:32
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by linkadge on June 20, 2006, at 16:58:15
> I like the term 'brain disabling treatments'. The idea that the disruption of normal neuronal functioning is most responsable for the theraputic effect.
>
> Linkadge
I like to be careful when i speak because i know how sensative the issue at hand is,and that is whether on not people should be on drugs,i try to do as much research,but constantly find that the pendalum swings both ways.But i have to say linkadge in all honesty i feel your personal view on drugs which is presumably anti drugs is becomming more and more appearent,to the point where it seems like youre subtly being cricital of people using them.
This might be my own obeservation,but i dont feel its helping any,this groupd board is a drug group,questoioning them and stating ur opinion is fine,but when one has already made up there mind they are not for drugs,and throw in these hints of critque,well i dont think it helps anyone.
I try to understand the civil rules,and am trying to make this as civil as possable,but latly i dont need to read your posts as i can pre assume its aganist drug use and unfortunaly its been the case on most of the posts to date,i know i have the option not to read,and i can again be jumping the gun,but it just seems to be getting more and more obvious.
Most views aganist drugs are hardly any stronger than for them,i assume from your posts your not on medication,but i also assume your not in any form of full remission,i know people never on drugs and suffer as i do,unless i can be presented with hard evidence that choosing to be off the drugs will actualy help me i will continue to explore its avenue as its the only thing i can do aside from external resources,and having ani drug assertions placed daily relying on the same strentgh of evidince as drug use,bringing it to simply a personal opinion,i just feel more discoruged,if i personaly built a solid belief that i no longer think drugs are the answer,at all,then i would cease to post on this group as i would do more harm than good.
Posted by dave45 on June 23, 2006, at 10:42:37
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by willyee on June 22, 2006, at 0:02:32
Ace, how long on nardil did it take for anorgasmia nto abate for you? And when it did, did your libido return to "normal" or will there still problems with desire and sensation? I am asking because last year I had my first true antidepressant response from nardil but after about three months I perhaps foolishly went off it as a result of frustration from my near complete anorgamsia. I was alright for a few months but my depression eventually returned. I am going back on nardil now, and I really feel like it could be a permament solution if I knew at some point my sexual functioning would return.
Posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:11:35
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by willyee on June 22, 2006, at 0:02:32
> > I like the term 'brain disabling treatments'. The idea that the disruption of normal neuronal functioning is most responsable for the theraputic effect.
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> > Linkadge
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> I like to be careful when i speak because i know how sensative the issue at hand is,and that is whether on not people should be on drugs,i try to do as much research,but constantly find that the pendalum swings both ways.
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> But i have to say linkadge in all honesty i feel your personal view on drugs which is presumably anti drugs is becomming more and more appearent,to the point where it seems like youre subtly being cricital of people using them.I personally get that feeling too, however, I'm not sure if you feel this way.
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> This might be my own obeservation,but i dont feel its helping any,this groupd board is a drug group,questoioning them and stating ur opinion is fine,but when one has already made up there mind they are not for drugs,and throw in these hints of critque,well i dont think it helps anyone.
preety much agreed. This is a drug group here and there a plenty of other boards to express ur feelings if you are indeed anti-psychoactive drugs. But once again, I can't read your mind so I'm trying to be as gentle about the topic as possible.
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> I try to understand the civil rules,and am trying to make this as civil as possable,but latly i dont need to read your posts as i can pre assume its aganist drug use and unfortunaly its been the case on most of the posts to date,i know i have the option not to read,and i can again be jumping the gun,but it just seems to be getting more and more obvious.
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> Most views aganist drugs are hardly any stronger than for them,i assume from your posts your not on medication,but i also assume your not in any form of full remission,i know people never on drugs and suffer as i do,unless i can be presented with hard evidence that choosing to be off the drugs will actualy help me i will continue to explore its avenue as its the only thing i can do aside from external resources,and having ani drug assertions placed daily relying on the same strentgh of evidince as drug use,bringing it to simply a personal opinion,i just feel more discoruged,if i personaly built a solid belief that i no longer think drugs are the answer,at all,then i would cease to post on this group as i would do more harm than good.Agreed.
Posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:17:31
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by dave45 on June 23, 2006, at 10:42:37
> Ace, how long on nardil did it take for anorgasmia nto abate for you?
A long time! I used to...ummm...watch certain movies and try for literally 10 hours to orgasm...to no avail. When I added Lithium, It helped for a while, as did Bethanacol, but only minimally. It abated FULLY after around 12-14 months I'd say. But hey, I'd rather the Nardil!
I remember being with this lady and not being able to perform...ha ha ha!!! It was crazy man!! Here I was frustrated almost to the point of tears!!!!! oh well, life could be worse!!!!
And when it did, did your libido return to "normal" or will there still problems with desire and sensation?Nope. all returned to normal!
I am asking because last year I had my first true antidepressant response from nardil but after about three months I perhaps foolishly went off it as a result of frustration from my near complete anorgamsia.
Choose Nardil over orgasms any day!!!!!!!!11
I was alright for a few months but my depression eventually returned.
Doesn't suprise me one bit bro! You disrupted Nardil, and as a consequence the Nardil pooped out somewhat.
I am going back on nardil now, and I really feel like it could be a permament solution if I knew at some point my sexual functioning would return.
Make sure you give it a full 6 month break....
For sexual probs try1. Periactin (be careful if u suffer from anxiety issues)
2. Bethenacol
and there are heaps more man, just forgot now!
good luck to you mate!
Ace
Posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:18:13
In reply to Lost Memory » ace, posted by jedi on June 21, 2006, at 5:04:57
Posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:18:47
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2006, at 22:20:32
Posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:20:56
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » ace, posted by naughtypuppy on June 21, 2006, at 4:12:28
Thanks to u all...sorry if i mist anyone out in my replies
good news...Nardil is providing a 70% remission at the moment....after around 2 weeks on 90mg...i will push to probably 105, then 120 to try an achieve NARDIL POWER PLUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by Crazy Horse on June 24, 2006, at 14:18:39
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » willyee, posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:11:35
> > > I like the term 'brain disabling treatments'. The idea that the disruption of normal neuronal functioning is most responsable for the theraputic effect.
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> > > Linkadge
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> > I like to be careful when i speak because i know how sensative the issue at hand is,and that is whether on not people should be on drugs,i try to do as much research,but constantly find that the pendalum swings both ways.
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> > But i have to say linkadge in all honesty i feel your personal view on drugs which is presumably anti drugs is becomming more and more appearent,to the point where it seems like youre subtly being cricital of people using them.
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> I personally get that feeling too, however, I'm not sure if you feel this way.
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> > This might be my own obeservation,but i dont feel its helping any,this groupd board is a drug group,questoioning them and stating ur opinion is fine,but when one has already made up there mind they are not for drugs,and throw in these hints of critque,well i dont think it helps anyone.
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> preety much agreed. This is a drug group here and there a plenty of other boards to express ur feelings if you are indeed anti-psychoactive drugs. But once again, I can't read your mind so I'm trying to be as gentle about the topic as possible.
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> > I try to understand the civil rules,and am trying to make this as civil as possable,but latly i dont need to read your posts as i can pre assume its aganist drug use and unfortunaly its been the case on most of the posts to date,i know i have the option not to read,and i can again be jumping the gun,but it just seems to be getting more and more obvious.
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> > Most views aganist drugs are hardly any stronger than for them,i assume from your posts your not on medication,but i also assume your not in any form of full remission,i know people never on drugs and suffer as i do,unless i can be presented with hard evidence that choosing to be off the drugs will actualy help me i will continue to explore its avenue as its the only thing i can do aside from external resources,and having ani drug assertions placed daily relying on the same strentgh of evidince as drug use,bringing it to simply a personal opinion,i just feel more discoruged,if i personaly built a solid belief that i no longer think drugs are the answer,at all,then i would cease to post on this group as i would do more harm than good.
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> Agreed.
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Ditto!Monte
Posted by naughtypuppy on June 24, 2006, at 18:03:40
In reply to Re: It's kicking right back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! » dave45, posted by ace on June 24, 2006, at 6:17:31
Amantadine might be worth a try. I haven't tried it with Nardil yet because I've only been on it for a short time and it hasn't begun to work yet, and I dont want to add another factor to the meds yet. When I did take the Amantadine I returned to the point where I was before I started the med merry go round which has always made my sex life sort of blah no matter what I was on at the time.
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