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Posted by mworkman on October 7, 2005, at 16:36:19
Well, nardil is probably the best anti anxiety drug I've tried. It is to sedating, though. What should I do, I can't handle the sedation. Try a different drug? Try adding something? What?
Posted by Phillipa on October 7, 2005, at 18:29:33
In reply to what now, posted by mworkman on October 7, 2005, at 16:36:19
Didn't know it was sedating. Just that it was good for social anxiety and depression. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by tecknohed on October 8, 2005, at 0:11:31
In reply to what now, posted by mworkman on October 7, 2005, at 16:36:19
> Well, nardil is probably the best anti anxiety drug I've tried. It is to sedating, though. What should I do, I can't handle the sedation. Try a different drug? Try adding something? What?
I use Nardil and have the exact same problem but I've just added modafinil and its made such a bit difference! Please go to the following post to read my account:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20051003/msgs/562965.html
Regards,
Teck.P.S. If you need any 'details' or want to know more then please babblemail me (click on my blue name above, incase you didn't know)
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Posted by Jedi on October 8, 2005, at 1:54:59
In reply to what now, posted by mworkman on October 7, 2005, at 16:36:19
Hi Mworkman,
I've had some daytime sedation with Nardil, but it is nothing like severe atypical depression. I think that before Nardil I would use sleep as an escape. I would sometimes sleep for 18 to 20 hours per day. I just could not stand to be consious.You might try adding a small dose of methylphenidate or modafinil. If you don't have the atypical depression along with anxiety, maybe some other med would work. The gabaergic meds work well for social anxiety; such as pregablin, gabapentin and clonazepam.
Good Luck,
Jedi
Posted by CK1 on October 8, 2005, at 16:04:18
In reply to Re: what now » mworkman, posted by Jedi on October 8, 2005, at 1:54:59
I'm getting on Nardil this coming Friday and have heard that it actually acts as a "supercharger" for some thus acting in the opposite way as you have described. Does it cause sedation in some and wake others up? People have said they only require 5-6 hrs of sleep on this med. I'm confused.....
Posted by tecknohed on October 8, 2005, at 17:48:08
In reply to Re: what now, posted by CK1 on October 8, 2005, at 16:04:18
> I'm getting on Nardil this coming Friday and have heard that it actually acts as a "supercharger" for some thus acting in the opposite way as you have described. Does it cause sedation in some and wake others up? People have said they only require 5-6 hrs of sleep on this med. I'm confused.....
At first I did get the 'super charged' effect from it. I went from being a complete 'Avoidant Personality' case (staying in my room on my own, dodging people and living in a total phobic state) to being out every day doing anything I wanted and hunting for new friends and just staying busy. I would still get sedation but only if I was motionless, ie sitting down and watching TV, especially when alone. In company is when the 'charge' can be felt most - very chatty, jolly, cracking jokes and feeling fearless and sociable.
The sedation seems most likely during peak blood levels, then fades after a few hours. How you spread your doses out over the day also effects how and when you might feel tired.
And the longer you take it for the more tired you may feel, but it should still help just enough.The initial 'charge' dies out with time, 6 months in my case. It does come back at times, especially with a dose change or maybe augmentation. I think this is when some people mistake this as being poop-out, and stop it, not realising that the 'charge' isn't Nardil's whole theraputic effect. Strangly, the 'charged' feeling seems to start the same time as, and last as long as the other rather more negative side effects.
I think you'll find Nardil a very worthy and unique med with a character all of its own.
Teck.
Posted by CK1 on October 8, 2005, at 22:15:00
In reply to Re: what now » CK1, posted by tecknohed on October 8, 2005, at 17:48:08
Thanks Teck. I have never been so excited about trying a drug before. I have ONLY found good things about Nardil. Even the people who have had hypertensive crisis with it, have kept on it!!! They almost died from this drug and they choose to stay on it because it's so incredibly effective! Wow.....I can't wait. I'll babble you once I start it and we can talk about side effects and stuff. You can help guide me through the first few weeks until I get adjusted...aiight?
Thanks teckno.
Posted by Jedi on October 8, 2005, at 22:51:34
In reply to Re: what now, posted by CK1 on October 8, 2005, at 16:04:18
> I'm getting on Nardil this coming Friday and have heard that it actually acts as a "supercharger" for some thus acting in the opposite way as you have described. Does it cause sedation in some and wake others up? People have said they only require 5-6 hrs of sleep on this med. I'm confused.....
Hi CK1,
A lot of people, including myself, require less nightly sleep while taking Nardil. At the same time one of the side effects is a period of daytime somnolence. For me this is usually between 4pm and 6pm. Sometimes I get so drowsy I end up taking a nap. If I'm really busy, in the middle of a major project, this somnolence does not always affect me. Still, I am considering adding modafinil to counteract it.
When you first start taking Nardil before the drug actually starts working for social anxiety and depression, you can get a high feeling that can best be described as hypomania. This feeling is very intoxicating especially if you've been hammered for some time with atypical depression. Be careful with this. If you are prone to bipolar depression, this can actually turn into a manic event. I would say, talk to your doctor at the first sign of hypomania and keep a close watch on it.
Best of Luck,
JediCommon side effects associated with monoamine oxidase inhibitors.
Link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2748873&query_hl=1
Posted by 4wd on October 8, 2005, at 22:57:07
In reply to Re: what now » tecknohed, posted by CK1 on October 8, 2005, at 22:15:00
> Thanks Teck. I have never been so excited about trying a drug before. I have ONLY found good things about Nardil. Even the people who have had hypertensive crisis with it, have kept on it!!! They almost died from this drug and they choose to stay on it because it's so incredibly effective! Wow.....I can't wait. I'll babble you once I start it and we can talk about side effects and stuff. You can help guide me through the first few weeks until I get adjusted...aiight?
> Thanks teckno.
Hey CK1,Don't just babblemail! Post here. Everyone will want to know how your Nardil trial goes. There are bunches of us out here who are considering Nardil as an option and we want to know.
Marsha
Posted by tecknohed on October 9, 2005, at 4:13:49
In reply to Re: what now » CK1, posted by 4wd on October 8, 2005, at 22:57:07
> Hey CK1,
>
> Don't just babblemail! Post here. Everyone will want to know how your Nardil trial goes. There are bunches of us out here who are considering Nardil as an option and we want to know.
>
> Marsha
>ditto!
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