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Posted by lynn970 on August 22, 2005, at 18:34:52
I have been off the cymbalta for about 1 1/2 weeks. I am on 40 mg of prozac. I am fighting depression bad. What should I do?
Posted by jubei on August 22, 2005, at 19:02:30
In reply to Help!!!, posted by lynn970 on August 22, 2005, at 18:34:52
You should try to figure out what is depressing you. It seems in my expierinces...depressions often times seems to be the product of being trapped in a bad place. Trapped is the key word there, if you weren't trapped you could just simply escape. Unfortunately, it seems to be the consensus amongst psychiatrists (who really should not be called doctors, even if that would be technically incorrect, for destroying the mind of the philosophical human seems to be the antithesis of what the doctorate stands for) that drugs should be synergistic with the psychological counsel of a therapist. However, I do not see how hurting a person's brain is supposed to supplement... "therapy". But, mayhap that is because I see therapy in the positive sense, instead of the so-called doctor wanabe that the psychiatrist is, conjuring divers support for medicines that abominable to humanity.
Hmmm, however, it must be stressed that you should never come off of any drugs, such as the ones you are taking, in a sudden manner. It is unfortunate, albeit darkly humorous, that one must receive this important notice from a stranger on th einternet (assuming that you weren't aware of this before hand, as it seems to me many people are not). I would suggest that you do some research and decide if you really want to use the drugs you are on. Sometimes, the benefits outweigh the associated risks, however, I would probably not prescribe that sentimental opinion on any neuroleptics...whatsoever.
I really don't want anyone else to go through what I have. You should not get dissociation, nightmares, memory problems, nervous system sensitivies from drugs that are supposed to help you. Unfortunately, I must abase the psychiatrists on this matter, however the case though, I would love to prescribe these miraculous drugs of wonder to those "doctors", seeing them develop tardive dyskinesia would be a collective f*ck-you to the world from all those that suffered needlessly from permanent psychological and physical horrors.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 22, 2005, at 20:16:18
In reply to Re: Help!!!, posted by jubei on August 22, 2005, at 19:02:30
> ... psychiatrists (who really should not be called doctors, even if that would be technically incorrect, for destroying the mind of the philosophical human seems to be the antithesis of what the doctorate stands for)...
>I would love to prescribe these miraculous drugs of wonder to those "doctors", seeing them develop tardive dyskinesia would be a collective f*ck-you to the world from all those that suffered needlessly from permanent psychological and physical horrors.
Hello jubei,
Borrowing from Dr. Bob...Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused. You might wish to check out the FAQ
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
for more information about posting guidelines.Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
gg
Posted by jubei on August 22, 2005, at 20:20:06
In reply to Please be civil » jubei, posted by gardenergirl on August 22, 2005, at 20:16:18
In that sense, the word civil seems to be used incorrectly, if not hypocritical. However, I must observe of course the convenience of this in some societies.
Posted by Racer on August 22, 2005, at 21:56:36
In reply to Re: Please be civil, posted by jubei on August 22, 2005, at 20:20:06
> In that sense, the word civil seems to be used incorrectly, if not hypocritical. However, I must observe of course the convenience of this in some societies.
I think the point was both that you suggest that psychiatrists are poisoning their patients and are unqualified as physicians; and that all it takes to recover from Major Depressive Disorder is to "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." Most of us here have already heard that it's our own fault we're depressed, that we don't have anything to be depressed about, that we have to be depressed *about* something, etc. I know that I feel both accused and put down by those sentiments, and that's what the civility guidelines are about: not posting anything that could make another poster here feel accused or put down.
For what it's worth, although the exact mechanisms are still being studied, researchers have found changes to the brain associated with Major Depression, as well as genetic factors predisposing people to the condition. Antidepressant medications, by whatever mechanism, do help correct those changes to the brain.
I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences with psychotropic medications. For some of us, though, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, and we are grateful when we find options that work for us.
Posted by lynn970 on August 22, 2005, at 22:06:19
In reply to Help!!!, posted by lynn970 on August 22, 2005, at 18:34:52
I just got back from church. I am feeling better.
I agree - if people with clinical depression could snap out of the depression, they would.I dont know anyone who enjoys being depressed.
Posted by willyee on August 23, 2005, at 6:13:18
In reply to Re: Help!!!, posted by jubei on August 22, 2005, at 19:02:30
You should not get dissociation, nightmares, memory problems, nervous system sensitivies from drugs that are supposed to help you.
I totaly agree with some of the things u said,i also agree strongly with the above comment.Where i disagree is suggesting talk therapy can fix a PYSHICAL brain disorder,why i DO believe people with clincal depression have.
Unfortunatly the current medicine are making so much money there is little encourgment for pharm companys do do heavy work in finding out what problems in the brain are really going on,instead of making just another tweaked serotion drug.I think we see the progress ssris are gonna provide,its inadequate,lets move away,but then again why?Long as docs are still able to convince the general public how helpful they are then why change what aint broken.
Again where i disagree with you is i believe it WILL indeed take a pharmcutical drug to treat clinical depression,as any other brain disorer rquires,unfortunaly for us however the progress into finding even a semi effective medication doesent seem to be much of a pritoirty,we have come no where in the past 5 years,all we have are similiar sister ssris tweaked here,or there to get the manf name on it.We need some serious studies done and medication that attacks depression at a whole different angle than ssris.
Posted by Empathy on August 23, 2005, at 9:24:09
In reply to Help!!!, posted by lynn970 on August 22, 2005, at 18:34:52
Hi Lynn.
When you went off of the Cymbalta, is that when you went on the 40mg of Prozac?
If so, it took me longer than 2 weeks to feel the effects of Prozac.
You might have mentioned this before, as I don't read every thread. Why was it again that you went off of Cymbalta. Also, are you on other meds besides Prozac, now?
Posted by lynn970 on August 23, 2005, at 18:56:51
In reply to Re: Help!!!, posted by Empathy on August 23, 2005, at 9:24:09
Thanks for the response.
When I was on cymbalta, I had terrible pain in my feet, ankles, hands and wrists. I could barely stand up anymore.
I was also very grouchy (even before the pain started), and my memory was worse than ever.
The depression is not bad today. Thank God
I am only on prozac. I take zanax as needed. Have not needed it lately.
Posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 16:00:45
In reply to Re: Help!!!, posted by jubei on August 22, 2005, at 19:02:30
"When you add up the total number of deaths and injuries directly caused by pharmaceutical drugs, it is staggering. In the past 10 years medicine has injured 191 million Americans and killed close to 8 million. This is more than all of the American caualties in all of our world wars combined. Yet these dead have no monuments." Gary Null,
Life Extension Magazine, P63. September 2005.
Declan
Posted by wildcard on August 25, 2005, at 13:20:29
In reply to Re: Help!!! » jubei, posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 16:00:45
Posted by lynn970 on August 25, 2005, at 16:52:21
In reply to How are you Lynn? (nm), posted by wildcard on August 25, 2005, at 13:20:29
I am doing much better. The medicine must have "kicked-in." How are you doing?
Posted by wildcard on August 25, 2005, at 20:03:40
In reply to Thanks for asking :-), posted by lynn970 on August 25, 2005, at 16:52:21
I'm hangin in there! Day by day ;)
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